The Official September 2017 Study Group Forum

[Rupert Pupkin]

I too found MH RC resoundingly unhelpful. I only read a few sections of Trainer RC. I'm going to try a few PTs/drills and if I really feel the RC struggle I'll return to Trainer. I was definitely a big fan of MH LR though. Probably the best test book I've read so far. Mulling picking up MH LG. Holding off on 7sage for a few more days so I can buy the starter version and have access until test day. May not do anything LSAT related today. I will be back later this evening with my full review of Wonder Woman though.

Im about halfway through MH LR right now and love it. Find it more helpful than Bible. Not too sure why, but i feel like it resonates more with me. Could be because its my second time going through material as well...

https://www.amazon.com/Manhattan-Logica ... 1935707116

Is this the right book? I have PS LR but for a few bucks, I'd give MH a try too since it is the toughest section for me

That is the right book just an old edition (2011 edition). I'd just get the new one

[littlewing67]

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[ThatOneAfrican]

Question for everyone: so I've been using MH's drill by question type book for my LG drills because it came with a bunch of other LSAT books I bought. But the games in there are only from 41 to 50. I read somewhere that those PTs are pretty easy, while 1-30 have the weird games. Do you think I should switch? Or does it not matter?

[twiix]

Question for everyone: so I've been using MH's drill by question type book for my LG drills because it came with a bunch of other LSAT books I bought. But the games in there are only from 41 to 50. I read somewhere that those PTs are pretty easy, while 1-30 have the weird games. Do you think I should switch? Or does it not matter?

Do all of them. Even if they are easier than the real thing, they still help build useful skills.

[oopsu812]

Arabic or Spanish?

[dj9i27]

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[Alexandros]

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[oopsu812]

Arabic or Spanish?

Spanish

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Especially if you have any interest in immigration law / many types of direct services PI - From what I've seen Spanish is either required or a huge asset.

Yeah, long-term, if I go into law it'd be more useful. Especially since I want to end up in CA, lol. Arabic is better for my short-term and other career path though. That being said, I could learn Spanish to a high level pretty quickly, but not Arabic, so perhaps Spanish is the smart pick.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Arabic or Spanish?

Spanish

+1
Especially if you have any interest in immigration law / many types of direct services PI - From what I've seen Spanish is either required or a huge asset.

Yeah, long-term, if I go into law it'd be more useful. Especially since I want to end up in CA, lol. Arabic is better for my short-term and other career path though. That being said, I could learn Spanish to a high level pretty quickly, but not Arabic, so perhaps Spanish is the smart pick.

Agreed. Spanish is really good, and also if French is an option, I'd consider French but thats more Euro-based (naturally) than spanish would be. Guess it just depends what region you are interested in working with.

[Alexandros]

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[Anon-e-miss]

Arabic or Spanish?

Spanish

+1
Especially if you have any interest in immigration law / many types of direct services PI - From what I've seen Spanish is either required or a huge asset.

Yeah, long-term, if I go into law it'd be more useful. Especially since I want to end up in CA, lol. Arabic is better for my short-term and other career path though. That being said, I could learn Spanish to a high level pretty quickly, but not Arabic, so perhaps Spanish is the smart pick.

Agreed. Spanish is really good, and also if French is an option, I'd consider French but thats more Euro-based (naturally) than spanish would be. Guess it just depends what region you are interested in working with.

Idk it's not spoken that widely. I reckon either Spanish or Arabic would be more useful.

Lotta people in Africa speak it
It isn't as popular globally as Spanish or Arabic, but it isn't restricted just to France either.

[oopsu812]

Arabic or Spanish?

Spanish

+1
Especially if you have any interest in immigration law / many types of direct services PI - From what I've seen Spanish is either required or a huge asset.

Yeah, long-term, if I go into law it'd be more useful. Especially since I want to end up in CA, lol. Arabic is better for my short-term and other career path though. That being said, I could learn Spanish to a high level pretty quickly, but not Arabic, so perhaps Spanish is the smart pick.

Agreed. Spanish is really good, and also if French is an option, I'd consider French but thats more Euro-based (naturally) than spanish would be. Guess it just depends what region you are interested in working with.

Idk it's not spoken that widely. I reckon either Spanish or Arabic would be more useful.

@Oopsu you could try to do Spanish on duolingo or something? I'd imagine it would be easier to self teach than Arabic (especially if you have knowledge of romantic languages already).

Yeah, I don't see how French would be useful in an American context.

I'm choosing which to take classes in at university because they're easy A+ classes. I could self teach Spanish, but Arabic would be tough.

[Alexandros]

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[Anon-e-miss]

Arabic or Spanish?

Spanish

+1
Especially if you have any interest in immigration law / many types of direct services PI - From what I've seen Spanish is either required or a huge asset.

Yeah, long-term, if I go into law it'd be more useful. Especially since I want to end up in CA, lol. Arabic is better for my short-term and other career path though. That being said, I could learn Spanish to a high level pretty quickly, but not Arabic, so perhaps Spanish is the smart pick.

Agreed. Spanish is really good, and also if French is an option, I'd consider French but thats more Euro-based (naturally) than spanish would be. Guess it just depends what region you are interested in working with.

Idk it's not spoken that widely. I reckon either Spanish or Arabic would be more useful.

@Oopsu you could try to do Spanish on duolingo or something? I'd imagine it would be easier to self teach than Arabic (especially if you have knowledge of romantic languages already).

Yeah, I don't see how French would be useful in an American context.

I'm choosing which to take classes in at university because they're easy A+ classes. I could self teach Spanish, but Arabic would be tough.

Take Spanish if you want to be in Cal, Texas, the Southwest, Florida, or any large city in the US

I grew up near one of the largest Arabic enclaves in North America and still knew more people who spoke Spanish and not English than Arabic and not English.

Also, Spanish classes son muy faciles en general

[Mikey]

What do u guys do for comp reading? Do u read passage A then do some questions then B? Or do u read both then do the questions?

[Rupert Pupkin]

What do u guys do for comp reading? Do u read passage A then do some questions then B? Or do u read both then do the questions?

i read both usually

[oopsu812]

Yeah, I don't see how French would be useful in an American context.

I'm choosing which to take classes in at university because they're easy A+ classes. I could self teach Spanish, but Arabic would be tough.

Take Spanish if you want to be in Cal, Texas, the Southwest, Florida, or any large city in the US

I grew up near one of the largest Arabic enclaves in North America and still knew more people who spoke Spanish and not English than Arabic and not English.

Also, Spanish classes son muy faciles en general

Yeah, I'll go with Spanish. Even if I don't end up in the US, it opens up South America to me. Also, Spanish-language media and Spanish-speaking countries are bomb af. Plus, as you say, easy peasy. Could realistically be proficient much much quicker.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Spanish

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Especially if you have any interest in immigration law / many types of direct services PI - From what I've seen Spanish is either required or a huge asset.

Yeah, long-term, if I go into law it'd be more useful. Especially since I want to end up in CA, lol. Arabic is better for my short-term and other career path though. That being said, I could learn Spanish to a high level pretty quickly, but not Arabic, so perhaps Spanish is the smart pick.

Agreed. Spanish is really good, and also if French is an option, I'd consider French but thats more Euro-based (naturally) than spanish would be. Guess it just depends what region you are interested in working with.

Idk it's not spoken that widely. I reckon either Spanish or Arabic would be more useful.

Lotta people in Africa speak it
It isn't as popular globally as Spanish or Arabic, but it isn't restricted just to France either.

I didn't mean to imply that it was restricted to France. But, as you said, Spanish or Arabic are more popular globally and in (most) American contexts.

Yeah, If you are talking more widely used; def Arabic or Spanish. French may be smaller but is valuable in European financial markets/banking. Maybe not as valuable to you if you are not interested in a specific niche like that.. It is just something I previously considered majoring in (Spanish v. French). In this case I would go with Spanish over arabic or french

[34iplaw]

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That's true, but I think the value of French in that context is more intangible compared to Spanish in PI where you may be conversing with people where either they don't speak English or speaking in their language helps establish a connection.

While I haven't worked in that area, I assume that the vast overwhelming majority of high level finance / investment banking / law / etc. in France speaks English. It'd benefit you from maybe interacting with them or if you tried to work in that area, but I doubt it's necessary or a huge advantage in a direct way. It'd have the same sort of establish a connection, but I think it'd be less direct if that makes sense.

[Rupert Pupkin]

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That's true, but I think the value of French in that context is more intangible compared to Spanish in PI where you may be conversing with people where either they don't speak English or speaking in their language helps establish a connection.

While I haven't worked in that area, I assume that the vast overwhelming majority of high level finance / investment banking / law / etc. in France speaks English. It'd benefit you from maybe interacting with them or if you tried to work in that area, but I doubt it's necessary or a huge advantage in a direct way. It'd have the same sort of establish a connection, but I think it'd be less direct if that makes sense.

Definitely agree. From a European standpoint, learning German is pointless because the Germans can speak better English than most americans and I would say besides Spanish, French touches a lot of other nations. But yeah, Spanish is way more of a utility than French, but French has its value added though too..

[oopsu812]

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That's true, but I think the value of French in that context is more intangible compared to Spanish in PI where you may be conversing with people where either they don't speak English or speaking in their language helps establish a connection.

While I haven't worked in that area, I assume that the vast overwhelming majority of high level finance / investment banking / law / etc. in France speaks English. It'd benefit you from maybe interacting with them or if you tried to work in that area, but I doubt it's necessary or a huge advantage in a direct way. It'd have the same sort of establish a connection, but I think it'd be less direct if that makes sense.

Definitely agree. From a European standpoint, learning German is pointless because the Germans can speak better English than most americans and I would say besides Spanish, French touches a lot of other nations. But yeah, Spanish is way more of a utility than French, but French has its value added though too..

German is a lot more fun than French though! and unpopular opinion, nicer sounding

[chewinggum]

-9 in two sections of RC today but -1 in two sections of LR!

I will literally write an angry letter to LSAC if there are two RC sections in September

[Alexandros]

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[oopsu812]

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That's true, but I think the value of French in that context is more intangible compared to Spanish in PI where you may be conversing with people where either they don't speak English or speaking in their language helps establish a connection.

While I haven't worked in that area, I assume that the vast overwhelming majority of high level finance / investment banking / law / etc. in France speaks English. It'd benefit you from maybe interacting with them or if you tried to work in that area, but I doubt it's necessary or a huge advantage in a direct way. It'd have the same sort of establish a connection, but I think it'd be less direct if that makes sense.

Definitely agree. From a European standpoint, learning German is pointless because the Germans can speak better English than most americans and I would say besides Spanish, French touches a lot of other nations. But yeah, Spanish is way more of a utility than French, but French has its value added though too..

German is a lot more fun than French though! and unpopular opinion, nicer sounding

That's a pretty low bar tho.

You'd be surprised how many people think French is the language of romance.

[abujabal]

Question to all y'all - after a 50 page (!) hiatus - when is everyone switching to PTs 2x/week? I'm still trundling through the LSAT Trainer at this point but want to know when to pivot