The Official June 2015 Study Group Forum

[biggestlawman]

Hey everyone,

Just wanted to run this by you guys. I did some flaw questions today. Out of the 44 questions that I did today, although I did not get any wrong (I am drilling untimed, trying to get my methods right), there were 8 questions where the flaw that I detected in the stimulus before looking at the choices was too vague or wrong.

How has your experience been?

[TheWalkingDebt]

Hey everyone,

Just wanted to run this by you guys. I did some flaw questions today. Out of the 44 questions that I did today, although I did not get any wrong (I am drilling untimed, trying to get my methods right), there were 8 questions where the flaw that I detected in the stimulus before looking at the choices was too vague or wrong.

How has your experience been?

What do you mean? Be a little more specific about what you define as a vague understanding (ironically).

[biggestlawman]

Hey everyone,

Just wanted to run this by you guys. I did some flaw questions today. Out of the 44 questions that I did today, although I did not get any wrong (I am drilling untimed, trying to get my methods right), there were 8 questions where the flaw that I detected in the stimulus before looking at the choices was too vague or wrong.

How has your experience been?

What do you mean? Be a little more specific about what you define as a vague understanding (ironically).

Vague as in too general. Say, p does not lead to c, p insufficient for c, etc. I consider anything although right, but not as pin-pointed as the correct choice to be vague.

[JackelJ]

BLM in all of the flaw questions the premises will not be sufficient for the conclusion to be true because they are flawed. For flaw questions you need to identify more specifically why the premises don't support the conclusion fully. For example, the premises don't support the conclusion because they attack the person instead of the argument, or the premises have a sampling fallacy, or the premises makes an analogy between two things that are not actually the same.

[biggestlawman]

BLM in all of the flaw questions the premises will not be sufficient for the conclusion to be true because they are flawed. For flaw questions you need to identify more specifically why the premises don't support the conclusion fully. For example, the premises don't support the conclusion because they attack the person instead of the argument, or the premises have a sampling fallacy, or the premises makes an analogy between two things that are not actually the same.

I know, that is why I said, these are the cases where I am vague. I can see it, but, not really. It happened 8 times out of 44. I was able to pin point the flaw the other 36 times. I am not sure if you guys are keeping track of such details. If so, then how's it for you?

[pianoman4]

I saw a thread a few days ago with all of the LR questions categorized by type for a majority of the PTs. However, I can't find it anymore. If anyone knows what I'm referring to, could you post the link to the thread?

[179orBust]

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 6&t=108425

[JackelJ]

BLM in all of the flaw questions the premises will not be sufficient for the conclusion to be true because they are flawed. For flaw questions you need to identify more specifically why the premises don't support the conclusion fully. For example, the premises don't support the conclusion because they attack the person instead of the argument, or the premises have a sampling fallacy, or the premises makes an analogy between two things that are not actually the same.

I know, that is why I said, these are the cases where I am vague. I can see it, but, not really. It happened 8 times out of 44. I was able to pin point the flaw the other 36 times. I am not sure if you guys are keeping track of such details. If so, then how's it for you?

No, I don't really keep track of that or write down how many I couldn't find the flaw in. But if you are just starting off with drilling then I can be how it would be helpful to see how well you have the fundamentals down.

I do however, circle the question if I don't 100% understand it (even if I got it right) and I look it up on the Manhattan Forums because chances are something like that question or flaw will pop up again.

[Smallville]

hi /wave

[Rigo]

hi /wave

What the heck have you been up to?

[JaimeD15]

I am in week 5 of the 12 week Trainer curriculum (supplementing the LGB for those lessons bc I prefer it). I just took my first PT, and it was abysmal to say the least. I got a 148. Embarrassing, I know.

Is this a fair representation of what I can expect? Meaning, can I really improve THAT much? I am feeling quite defeated right now.

I know it's my first one, and I've only been studying a few weeks.. I'm trying to stay positive.

[Smallville]

hi /wave

What the heck have you been up to?

hiding and wishing I was an LSAT genius and already got a 175+....

[Blueprint Ben]

I am in week 5 of the 12 week Trainer curriculum (supplementing the LGB for those lessons bc I prefer it). I just took my first PT, and it was abysmal to say the least. I got a 148. Embarrassing, I know.

Is this a fair representation of what I can expect? Meaning, can I really improve THAT much? I am feeling quite defeated right now.

I know it's my first one, and I've only been studying a few weeks.. I'm trying to stay positive.

Yes. You can improve THAT much. You could get a 180. It just depends on how much work you're willing to do.

Don't worry! A low diagnostic is not a death sentence. People on this site have improved by 30 points from their first PT score. It won't happen by accident, but it can happen eventually if you keep working at it.

[Smallville]

I am in week 5 of the 12 week Trainer curriculum (supplementing the LGB for those lessons bc I prefer it). I just took my first PT, and it was abysmal to say the least. I got a 148. Embarrassing, I know.

Is this a fair representation of what I can expect? Meaning, can I really improve THAT much? I am feeling quite defeated right now.

I know it's my first one, and I've only been studying a few weeks.. I'm trying to stay positive.

Yes. You can improve THAT much. You could get a 180. It just depends on how much work you're willing to do.

Don't worry! A low diagnostic is not a death sentence. People on this site have improved by 30 points from their first PT score. It won't happen by accident, but it can happen eventually if you keep working at it.

BP Ben, my homie, my main man... wanna take the LSAT for me and get me a 180? kthnx

[JaimeD15]

I am in week 5 of the 12 week Trainer curriculum (supplementing the LGB for those lessons bc I prefer it). I just took my first PT, and it was abysmal to say the least. I got a 148. Embarrassing, I know.

Is this a fair representation of what I can expect? Meaning, can I really improve THAT much? I am feeling quite defeated right now.

I know it's my first one, and I've only been studying a few weeks.. I'm trying to stay positive.

Yes. You can improve THAT much. You could get a 180. It just depends on how much work you're willing to do.

Don't worry! A low diagnostic is not a death sentence. People on this site have improved by 30 points from their first PT score. It won't happen by accident, but it can happen eventually if you keep working at it.

BP Ben, my homie, my main man... wanna take the LSAT for me and get me a 180? kthnx

haha THAT may be a reach, but good to know. I have been working the hell out of this curriculum, studying every day and even on vacation at the beach in Florida last week. I am investing a lot of time, I just hope it pays off. It's so daunting knowing EVERYTHING rides on this test.

[Rigo]

I am in week 5 of the 12 week Trainer curriculum (supplementing the LGB for those lessons bc I prefer it). I just took my first PT, and it was abysmal to say the least. I got a 148. Embarrassing, I know.

Is this a fair representation of what I can expect? Meaning, can I really improve THAT much? I am feeling quite defeated right now.

I know it's my first one, and I've only been studying a few weeks.. I'm trying to stay positive.

My first PT was high 140's. You'll definitely improve. Don't lose faith.

[JaimeD15]

I am in week 5 of the 12 week Trainer curriculum (supplementing the LGB for those lessons bc I prefer it). I just took my first PT, and it was abysmal to say the least. I got a 148. Embarrassing, I know.

Is this a fair representation of what I can expect? Meaning, can I really improve THAT much? I am feeling quite defeated right now.

I know it's my first one, and I've only been studying a few weeks.. I'm trying to stay positive.

My first PT was high 140's. You'll definitely improve. Don't lose faith.

Thank you so much. You are the one that suggested the materials I am using, and they have been AMAZING.

[TheWalkingDebt]

I am in week 5 of the 12 week Trainer curriculum (supplementing the LGB for those lessons bc I prefer it). I just took my first PT, and it was abysmal to say the least. I got a 148. Embarrassing, I know.

Is this a fair representation of what I can expect? Meaning, can I really improve THAT much? I am feeling quite defeated right now.

I know it's my first one, and I've only been studying a few weeks.. I'm trying to stay positive.

My diagnostic was 151 and I just hit 167 on my most recent PT. Took about 11 weeks. If you think you'll be squeezed for time it might help to postpone. Or you can take both, but it depends on what your personal preference is regarding psyche.

[RZNumbers]

I am in week 5 of the 12 week Trainer curriculum (supplementing the LGB for those lessons bc I prefer it). I just took my first PT, and it was abysmal to say the least. I got a 148. Embarrassing, I know.

Is this a fair representation of what I can expect? Meaning, can I really improve THAT much? I am feeling quite defeated right now.

I know it's my first one, and I've only been studying a few weeks.. I'm trying to stay positive.

Yes. You can improve THAT much. You could get a 180. It just depends on how much work you're willing to do.

Don't worry! A low diagnostic is not a death sentence. People on this site have improved by 30 points from their first PT score. It won't happen by accident, but it can happen eventually if you keep working at it.

BP Ben, are you single?

[Blueprint Ben]

I am in week 5 of the 12 week Trainer curriculum (supplementing the LGB for those lessons bc I prefer it). I just took my first PT, and it was abysmal to say the least. I got a 148. Embarrassing, I know.

Is this a fair representation of what I can expect? Meaning, can I really improve THAT much? I am feeling quite defeated right now.

I know it's my first one, and I've only been studying a few weeks.. I'm trying to stay positive.

Yes. You can improve THAT much. You could get a 180. It just depends on how much work you're willing to do.

Don't worry! A low diagnostic is not a death sentence. People on this site have improved by 30 points from their first PT score. It won't happen by accident, but it can happen eventually if you keep working at it.

BP Ben, my homie, my main man... wanna take the LSAT for me and get me a 180? kthnx

Sure no problem smalls. Piece of cake. I accept gold teeth, and all major credit cards.

[Blueprint Ben]

BP Ben, are you single?

[RZNumbers]

I am in week 5 of the 12 week Trainer curriculum (supplementing the LGB for those lessons bc I prefer it). I just took my first PT, and it was abysmal to say the least. I got a 148. Embarrassing, I know.

Is this a fair representation of what I can expect? Meaning, can I really improve THAT much? I am feeling quite defeated right now.

I know it's my first one, and I've only been studying a few weeks.. I'm trying to stay positive.

Yes. You can improve THAT much. You could get a 180. It just depends on how much work you're willing to do.

Don't worry! A low diagnostic is not a death sentence. People on this site have improved by 30 points from their first PT score. It won't happen by accident, but it can happen eventually if you keep working at it.

BP Ben, my homie, my main man... wanna take the LSAT for me and get me a 180? kthnx

Sure no problem smalls. Piece of cake. I accept gold teeth, and all major credit cards.

As the new OP of this thread, I have a zero tolerance policy for test fraud and under the table deals. But I might be willing to consider on the table with you, BP Ben.

[Smallville]

As the new OP of this thread, I have a zero tolerance policy for test fraud and under the table deals. But I might be willing to consider on the table with you, BP Ben.

oh boi...

[Rigo]

I am in week 5 of the 12 week Trainer curriculum (supplementing the LGB for those lessons bc I prefer it). I just took my first PT, and it was abysmal to say the least. I got a 148. Embarrassing, I know.

Is this a fair representation of what I can expect? Meaning, can I really improve THAT much? I am feeling quite defeated right now.

I know it's my first one, and I've only been studying a few weeks.. I'm trying to stay positive.

My first PT was high 140's. You'll definitely improve. Don't lose faith.

Thank you so much. You are the one that suggested the materials I am using, and they have been AMAZING.

Glad to hear! They worked for me. The only thing that held me back was my own laziness. (Don't be me, people!)

[JackelJ]

BP Ben I have a major credit card. Or if you accept venmo that'll be faster