The Official June 2015 Study Group Forum

The Abyss · Post by **The Abyss** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:24 pm

gamerish wrote:17 minutes on a 5 question game and I still got -1. At this point I'm ready to enroll in a class.

Give 7Sage's Fool Proof Method for games a shot.

JackelJ · Post by **JackelJ** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:25 pm

gamerish wrote:17 minutes on a 5 question game and I still got -1. At this point I'm ready to enroll in a class.

What have you been using for learning the fundamentals of LG?

gamerish · Post by **gamerish** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:26 pm

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RZ5646 · Post by **RZ5646** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:28 pm

gamerish wrote:17 minutes on a 5 question game and I still got -1. At this point I'm ready to enroll in a class.

Bro I took 27 minutes and got 4/6. Beat that.

Smallville · Post by **Smallville** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:32 pm

gamerish wrote:
JackelJ wrote:What have you been using for learning the fundamentals of LG?
The Trainer, LG Bible, 7Sage explanations.

The Abyss wrote:Give 7Sage's Fool Proof Method for games a shot.
I do that but I don't much see the use. I have a decent memory so after I see the game for the second time I remember all the answers, even if I don't remember the inferences that get those answers and it skews how I approach the questions.

so work out the inferences b4 you attack the problem. I similarly am not a huge fan bc I tend to mess my answers up bc of remembering the answers but I try to work everything out as if I didn't (similarly with LR) you just need to find something that clicks. Im not sure what a class could teach you that would be different than what you're told on here or other resources (unless you just learn better by physical instruction) practice until it clicks

JackelJ · Post by **JackelJ** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:50 pm

gamerish wrote:
JackelJ wrote:What have you been using for learning the fundamentals of LG?
The Trainer, LG Bible, 7Sage explanations.

I liked blueprint's approach to LG; I think LG is definitely their strong suit (LR and RC are just average). They have a LG book that is decently prices (around $50 I think) and it comes with all the video explanations and video lessons to teach you the fundamentals. Its good if you are more of a visual learner like myself. Their methods gave me a very good base and then I was able to use the 7sage videos to learn ways to tweak my approaches to different games. The book probably isn't very helpful for people already doing well on games, but if it takes you more than 10 min for a game then maybe you could use a better fundamental approach. I flipped through the Trainer's LG section and didn't find anything extremely helpful. Don't have the Bibles so I can't offer a comparison to that.

nlee10 · Post by **nlee10** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:08 pm

JackelJ wrote: I liked blueprint's approach to LG; I think LG is definitely their strong suit (LR and RC are just average). They have a LG book that is decently prices (around $50 I think) and it comes with all the video explanations and video lessons to teach you the fundamentals. Its good if you are more of a visual learner like myself. Their methods gave me a very good base and then I was able to use the 7sage videos to learn ways to tweak my approaches to different games. The book probably isn't very helpful for people already doing well on games, but if it takes you more than 10 min for a game then maybe you could use a better fundamental approach. I flipped through the Trainer's LG section and didn't find anything extremely helpful. Don't have the Bibles so I can't offer a comparison to that.

+1
I liked BP's methods, but I didn't like their explanations for LG/LR/and RC. lol

gamerish · Post by **gamerish** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:30 pm

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gamerish · Post by **gamerish** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:47 am

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179orBust · Post by **179orBust** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:38 am

Fuck RC. Just drilled 5 relatively easy passages and got 27/33 correct. Worst part is that I don't see how I can prevent these same type of mistakes in the future.
Anyone have any advice on how I should go about reviewing RC? Thinking of writing out the purpose/main points in each paragraph and then writing out explanations for questions that gave me trouble/got wrong.

RZ5646 · Post by **RZ5646** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:12 am

gamerish wrote:Final results for drilling basic ordering LG today

18:03 6/7
16:52 4/5
13:38 4/5
16:21 6/6
17:46 6/7

*sigh*

There's hope gamerfish... when I started I was routinely breaking 15 minutes, but I just did the pure sequencing games from the LGB (never seen before) in time and without errors. Practice sucks, but it helps.

RZ5646 · Post by **RZ5646** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:13 am

179orBust wrote:Fuck RC. Just drilled 5 relatively easy passages and got 27/33 correct. Worst part is that I don't see how I can prevent these same type of mistakes in the future.
Anyone have any advice on how I should go about reviewing RC? Thinking of writing out the purpose/main points in each paragraph and then writing out explanations for questions that gave me trouble/got wrong.

Find the textual support for the correct AC, then find what in the text tricked you into choosing the wrong AC and how exactly it did that.

ETA: Does anyone have the 2013 LGB? In my copy the back of page 403 is page 414, and page 404 is missing.

karmago · Post by **karmago** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:19 am

179orBust wrote:Fuck RC. Just drilled 5 relatively easy passages and got 27/33 correct. Worst part is that I don't see how I can prevent these same type of mistakes in the future.
Anyone have any advice on how I should go about reviewing RC? Thinking of writing out the purpose/main points in each paragraph and then writing out explanations for questions that gave me trouble/got wrong.

I suggest looking at the question types that trip you up consistently. Do you have trouble with main point questions? Author's tone? Inference? A lot of these question types are virtually identical to those in LR, particularly for MP, must-be-true questions, and method of reasoning types. So try implementing the methods you would use in LR to your RC sections. They would be on a larger scale but the concept is the same. The rest is just drilling and repetition to get familiar with the structure of the passage itself. You'll start to see certain patterns develop for the question types as well. One trick that someone told me was that for reference-type questions where they would start with "What does the author mean when he says... in lines 34-33", the answer is rarely contained in the referred lines. Often times it's elsewhere and you need to be able to make connections to different parts of the passage.

7Sage's method of allocating a few seconds to recollect your thoughts and succinctly write out the main point of each paragraph worked pretty well for me. It's definitely helped me to concentrate on the material and memorize key elements that I "feel" are going to come up in the questions, and they usually do. But it took a lot of drilling to get to that point.

IamJosh · Post by **IamJosh** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:11 am

Been working on games tonight and finally encountered the class snakes and lizards game (PT 27 game 2). I did it properly, watched the 7sage video after and was essentially using the same approach... But it took me at least 20 minutes. I am seeing the value in going slow and doing things correctly, but if I had seen that game in a timed setting it would have ruined my section. I keep reading that speed will come but this still seems concerning.

Shakawkaw · Post by **Shakawkaw** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 11:05 am

gamerish wrote:Final results for drilling basic ordering LG today

18:03 6/7
16:52 4/5
13:38 4/5
16:21 6/6
17:46 6/7

*sigh*

Do you find that you're getting local or global questions wrong? (Which Q type do you keep getting wrong on the basic ordering?)

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:08 pm

RZ5646 · Post by **RZ5646** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:13 pm

LSAT prep in everyday life: the opinion pieces in your student newspaper are like giant LR stimuli—chock full of flawed arguments.

gamerish · Post by **gamerish** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:17 pm

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lawjag2015 · Post by **lawjag2015** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:53 pm

Teeing off late today! Putting in my two hours. Working full-time sucks.

pianoman4 · Post by **pianoman4** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:31 am

How many hours per week is everyone doing?

179orBust · Post by **179orBust** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:41 am

pianoman4 wrote:How many hours per week is everyone doing?

I average around 2.5 hrs per day, so I'd say between 15-20. Plan to increase to 30 hours next month, 35 in March, and 40+ April/May/June.

gamerish · Post by **gamerish** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:22 am

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RZ5646 · Post by **RZ5646** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:29 am

gamerish wrote:Redid the basic ordering games I did yesterday:

14:09 7/7
9:27 5/5
8:03 5/5
11:25 6/6
17:00 6/7

Compare to:

gamerish wrote: 18:03 6/7
16:52 4/5
13:38 4/5
16:21 6/6
17:46 6/7

What games are these? Are they unusually hard (as denoted by the difficulty dots 7sage assigns the questions)?

How do you do with the examples in the LGB? Those seem ordered by difficulty, starting fairly easy.

179orBust · Post by **179orBust** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:40 am

gamerish, that was so fucking funny.

gamerish · Post by **gamerish** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:42 am

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