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Post by RZ5646 » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:14 pm

LSAT skills in everyday life: I may have just saved myself $1200 by refusing to sign a lease where the rental company confused sufficient / necessary condition (accidentally or maliciously, I can't tell).

Basically the people there said that instead of the advertised price, the rent is actually $100 more (big red flag right away, and this is supposed to be one of the most reputable rental companies in the city), but if you pay on the first of the month you get a $100 "discount" to make it the real price. But the lease itself says only that you will get the so-called discount only if you pay on the first of the month. The lease doesn't say that you will actually get it; it only limits the conditions under which it is possible for you to receive it, and says nothing about when the company is required to offer the discount. Since the lease comprises the full agreement between renter and landlord, the landlord is never obligated to offer the discount. You just have to trust the landlord, and I know better than to trust landlords.

I explained to the girl there that it should say "if and only if" instead of just "only if," and she didn't seem to understand. She then got her manager and he seemed to understand but said they wouldn't change the language for me. So I walked away. Not sure if it was a trap or not but I've heard enough slumlord horror stories to not take chances.

At lunch I did an LR untimed and really tried to understand why each TCR was right and each wrong AC was wrong. I think it was helpful because there were definitely important elements that I didn't notice when I tried to read the stimulus quickly. I also found that sometimes I could predict what the stem would be based on the stimulus, which perhaps weakens Manhattan's case in the great Powerscore vs. Manhattan stim first / stem first debate. I also did an RC timed and finally got the elusive -0 on a timed RC!!! :D

Still have to do an LG section.

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Post by NL2424 » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:53 pm

So.... June 2007 LSAT, Section 1 (Logic Games), Game 4, Question 23. I see why A is right. But I chose C, no where in the rules do I find any condition that "all five of the materials must be recycled in at least one of the recycling centers." Without this condition I think C can be right. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

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Post by RZ5646 » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:10 pm

zacboro wrote:So.... June 2007 LSAT, Section 1 (Logic Games), Game 4, Question 23. I see why A is right. But I chose C, no where in the rules do I find any condition that "all five of the materials must be recycled in at least one of the recycling centers." Without this condition I think C can be right. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
June 07 was my diagnostic and I hated that game so much.

I think the rules do actually require that each material is recycled. The stimulus says "Exactly five kinds of material are recycled at these recycling centers: glass, newsprint, plastic, tin, and wood." It says they are recycled, not something like "may be recycled."

But anyway, if 1 is the only center with W, you can infer that C is wrong.

If 1 has W, it must have N too. That uses up 2 of the 3 possible slots for center 1.

P can never be in 2 because it would be duplicated in 1 and the rules say only one center has P. So P must be in 1 or 3.

If P is in 1, then 1 is full. Then 2 can't have anything that isn't already in 1, since it would have to be duplicated in 1 and that's impossible now that 1's slots are all filled. So, G can't go in 1 (full and has P anyway), and it can't go in 2, so it must be in 3.

So then you have

1 - W N P
2 - ?
3 - G

Now you're looking for a center with only N T. That could only be 2, but it can't be 2, since then you'd have to put a T in 1, and 1 is already full. So that ruins that possibility.

If you instead put P in 3, then G has to go in 1 or 2. If you put it in 2, you get

1 - W N
2 - G
3 - P

and again have no place for just N T.

If you instead put G in 1, you run into the same problem as when you put P in 1.

Hopefully that's a little helpful. That's a tricky game and I absolutely despite it.

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Post by RZ5646 » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:18 pm

WhiskeyAndCupcakes wrote:RZ, where were you signing a lease where you had to worry about slumlords?
I don't want to be too specific about my area, but the housing situation here is very unfortunate. The school doesn't have enough dorms for everyone, so people know that there's a steady supply of students who are forced to rent (think that might be called a "captive market"). There are numerous slumlords who take advantage of that by preying on students with borderline uninhabitable houses, extremely high prices, insane lease provisions, etc. I've heard good things about this company and even at the hidden price that apartment was still cheaper than any other I've found, but with worrisome items in the lease like that I thought it best to stay away... it doesn't exactly inspire confidence in your landlord to have glaring contradictions between the lease and his word.

The housing situation here is enough to make one turn Marxist: it's a perfect example of how those with capital exploit those without.

So it's back to apartment hunting I guess, and from now on I'm going to request a PDF of the lease beforehand and have my dad's lawyer check it out.
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Post by Rigo » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:19 pm

RZ proving himself to be a force in landlord-tenant law.

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Post by Dr. Nefario » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:22 pm

RZ5646 wrote: So it's back to apartment hunting I guess, and from now on I'm going to request a PDF of the lease beforehand and have my dad's lawyer check it out.
That's probably a good idea. I always send my lease to my mom because she used to be in charge of a company's residential and commercial leases so she knows what to look for.

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Post by WhiskeyAndCupcakes » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:36 pm

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Post by RZ5646 » Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:15 pm

gamerish wrote:Checking after every single one or reviewing like 5 at a time?
Depends on your skill level. If you're making a lot of mistakes there's no point in making the same simple error on 20 questions; better to figure out what went wrong with the first or second and then apply that new understanding to the rest. If on the other hand you don't miss many and are just doing it for practice, check them at the end because it's more time-efficient to check many questions at once.

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Post by Tycho » Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:12 pm

I do ten LR questions at a time, trying to stay within fifteen minutes or less, and then review. Actually have been working on necessary/sufficient assumption q's over the past few days and am 78/80 thus far with good time. On my diagnostic, I fell for quite a few trap answers so hopefully I've been lifted out of that spell.

I have a bit of a bad habit of questioning the right answer, however. I'll select it, then overthink it a bit when it's brutally obvious (although I almost never change it). I think it's getting better with experience and it hasn't drastically affected my timing adversely, but it's something to work on in the future.

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Post by RZ5646 » Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:46 pm

LG didn't go so well :'(

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Post by Albus Dumbledore » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:36 pm

Hi everyone! After lurking for a while, I finally decided to join this forum. I have signed up for the June LSAT. My main concern at this point is timing. I've been studying for a couple of months now, and I feel I have a keen grasp of the concepts, but answering all of the questions on each section under the time limit is still a challenge for me.

Part of the challenge is psychological. I unfortunately have a tendency not to skip questions, so a lot of time is wasted answering a few questions I might get wrong anyway. The sunk-cost effect is basically at work here. I'm not too worried about this though because I can break this habit by June.

I'm also trying to find a better way to do RC. I am using the PowerScore method, but I end up marking everything on the passage to the point where the notations essentially become useless. I'm thinking of simply not marking anything at all, and just spending all my time on reading. Do you guys think this is a good idea or do you think I should just try to cut down on the notations? My concern with the latter approach is that I might waste even more time deliberating whether to annotate a specific portion or not.

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Post by Rigo » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:44 pm

Albus Dumbledore wrote:I unfortunately have a tendency not to skip questions, so a lot of time is wasted answering a few questions I might get wrong anyway. The sunk-cost effect is basically at work here. I'm not too worried about this though because I can break this habit by June.
Knock this off. I always skip Parallel questions and go back to them at the end if time permits. Remember that every question is worth the same so don't waste time on a hard question if it means you won't have time for two easier questions later.
Albus Dumbledore wrote:I'm also trying to find a better way to do RC. I am using the PowerScore method, but I end up marking everything on the passage to the point where the notations essentially become useless. I'm thinking of simply not marking anything at all, and just spending all my time on reading. Do you guys think this is a good idea or do you think I should just try to cut down on the notations? My concern with the latter approach is that I might waste even more time deliberating whether to annotate a specific portion or not.
You'll work this out through practice, but I've found that less is more when it comes to RC notation.
As for the bolded: when in doubt, don't mark it. So many questions come from the structure of the passage, but new preppers tend to give too much weight the details and focus on marking and understanding them only to find out there isn't even a question on them. The LSAT writers are trying to slow you down. Don't fall for it.

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Post by RZ5646 » Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:04 am

I do a lot of underlining and circling for RC (though no note taking) and tend to do well. I try to read fast and just mark/remember the locations of details so I can refer back to them quickly if they are asked about. However, there are usually a few straightforward questions that just ask what little details were or were not mentioned, and those can switch from being very easy to being a time sink if you don't just recall those details immediately. Like most things, you need to strike a balance, and you'll learn to do that as you practice.

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biggestlawman wrote:Image

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RZ5646 wrote:
biggestlawman wrote:Image

Think OP looks like this!
What makes you say that?
The pole that is up... thought this will be an appropriate representation of your stuffiness and incongruity. :mrgreen:

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Post by Albus Dumbledore » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:16 pm

Thanks for the suggestions, guys. I'll keep them in mind. I'll experiment with a few things for RC and see which one fits me best.

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gamerish wrote:I'm pretty positive I'm postponing to October.
Aw :( Why are you deciding when June is still 10 weeks away?

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