December 2010 Initial Reactions Forum

[Arturo]

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[akikaze]

Agree about conferences. I finished LG in time and thought I got every question right, though likely missed one here or there.

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[Claudius]

Can anyone who has been around here longer tell us how normal this "THIS IS THE HARDEST TEST EVER 15+ CURVE" thing is? Is this test really that different?


I searched the forms and the quick thing I found was a thread speculating the June curve that actually seemed to be accurate and reasonable.

I took June 2010 and have been checking each LSAT's version of this thread since then. They all seem pretty similar to me. All three tests have resulted in a series of panicked threads with large curve predictions. There was a lot of freaking out on the October test, especially over a few weird LR questions. June had the LG threads. I've read a few times in this thread a claim that October was pretty straight forward, but that's not what the thread from back then would have had you believe.

[akikaze]

Can anyone who has been around here longer tell us how normal this "THIS IS THE HARDEST TEST EVER 15+ CURVE" thing is? Is this test really that different?


I searched the forms and the quick thing I found was a thread speculating the June curve that actually seemed to be accurate and reasonable.

I took June 2010 and have been checking each LSAT's version of this thread since then. They all seem pretty similar to me. All three tests have resulted in a series of panicked threads with large curve predictions. There was a lot of freaking out on the October test, especially over a few weird LR questions. June had the LG threads. I've read a few times in this thread a claim that October was pretty straight forward, but that's not what the thread from back then would have had you believe.

LG from June were very poorly phrased and that did probably help the -14 curve. I don't know about this one.

[Redamon1]

I had LR, RC, LR, LR(exp), LG. I usually do well on LG, but this one... this one was a fucked up one.

You mean the 4th LR was experimental? I HOPE TO GOD YOUR RIGHT!

Is it possible for a 4th section (section after break) to be an experimental? Serious question, someone please let me know!

Typically not. I also had this distribution and concluded from other responses on the thread that the second LR was the experimental.

[akikaze]

I had LR, RC, LR, LR(exp), LG. I usually do well on LG, but this one... this one was a fucked up one.

You mean the 4th LR was experimental? I HOPE TO GOD YOUR RIGHT!

Is it possible for a 4th section (section after break) to be an experimental? Serious question, someone please let me know!

Typically not. I also had this distribution and concluded from other responses on the thread that the second LR was the experimental.

I really would not be surprised if the LSAC one day decided to suspend this convention and fuck over that group of people. I keep hearing about bad proctors that don't do their job and students DO look inside the exam and cheat by finding out which section is exp in advance...and reallocate that time to the scored sections.

[Claudius]

Can anyone who has been around here longer tell us how normal this "THIS IS THE HARDEST TEST EVER 15+ CURVE" thing is? Is this test really that different?


I searched the forms and the quick thing I found was a thread speculating the June curve that actually seemed to be accurate and reasonable.

I took June 2010 and have been checking each LSAT's version of this thread since then. They all seem pretty similar to me. All three tests have resulted in a series of panicked threads with large curve predictions. There was a lot of freaking out on the October test, especially over a few weird LR questions. June had the LG threads. I've read a few times in this thread a claim that October was pretty straight forward, but that's not what the thread from back then would have had you believe.

LG from June were very poorly phrased and that did probably help the -14 curve. I don't know about this one.

Keep in mind that June was -12. That number has been engraved into my mind for eternity. I will agree that LG sucked. I was not a fan.

[kwais]

Can anyone who has been around here longer tell us how normal this "THIS IS THE HARDEST TEST EVER 15+ CURVE" thing is? Is this test really that different?


I searched the forms and the quick thing I found was a thread speculating the June curve that actually seemed to be accurate and reasonable.

I took June 2010 and have been checking each LSAT's version of this thread since then. They all seem pretty similar to me. All three tests have resulted in a series of panicked threads with large curve predictions. There was a lot of freaking out on the October test, especially over a few weird LR questions. June had the LG threads. I've read a few times in this thread a claim that October was pretty straight forward, but that's not what the thread from back then would have had you believe.

very few people who took October around here seemed to think it was anywhere as hard as this one. Especially LG

[cvntstscrty]

LSAC prohibits discussion, including the so-called “postmortem” discussion of test questions immediately after a particular test administration, because it has the potential to affect the fairness of the LSAT and the law school admission process. This thread has been logged and appropriate action may be taken.

Caveon Test Security is a test security vendor for LSAC.

[testmachine45]

I seriously believe in a -15 curve. At least 15 but it could go to 17. This was the hardest LSAT I have ever taken.

[justadude55]

I had LR, RC, LR, LR(exp), LG. I usually do well on LG, but this one... this one was a fucked up one.

You mean the 4th LR was experimental? I HOPE TO GOD YOUR RIGHT!

Is it possible for a 4th section (section after break) to be an experimental? Serious question, someone please let me know!

Typically not. I also had this distribution and concluded from other responses on the thread that the second LR was the experimental.

I really would not be surprised if the LSAC one day decided to suspend this convention and fuck over that group of people. I keep hearing about bad proctors that don't do their job and students DO look inside the exam and cheat by finding out which section is exp in advance...and reallocate that time to the scored sections.

clearly these people would be at a huge advantage, but at the end of the day, this is how life works. if they find out, these students have absolutely no future whatsoever in law. if they have an extra 35 minutes scattered around the test, conventional wisdom suggests they'd score about 5 points better. 5 points is the difference between the t-14 and t-30. it could also be the difference in a full scholarship. at the end of the day, is 5 points worth your entire career and knowing deep down you're partially a joke? for some people, i'm sure it is, but at the end of the day, if they're willing to break the law, eventually this will catch up to them in their law career and if it doesn't, with their luck and sleaze, they were bound to succeed anyway.

[testmachine45]

LSAC prohibits discussion, including the so-called “postmortem” discussion of test questions immediately after a particular test administration, because it has the potential to affect the fairness of the LSAT and the law school admission process. This thread has been logged and appropriate action may be taken.

Caveon Test Security is a test security vendor for LSAC.

Are you Caveon Test Security? Don't you think it's ironic your name is Cave-On Test Security?

[Canadiana]

I think you guys are letting the games section colour your views about the test a bit too much. Yes they were tough ++ but there wasn't anything tricky about the other sections (I don't think I did too well on RC but I suck gorilla cock at that section on any test >.<). -12 to -13, generous but not unprecedented.

My test experience:
1.) LR
2.) RC
3.) LR (exp)
4.) LR
5.) LG
6.) WS

Though maybe LR just clicked for me on the day. In October I was way too amped up on the first section (LR) and scored like -9 so I'm 99% sure I did better on this test unless I did something stupid like miss a bubble.

[joebloe]

LSAC prohibits discussion, including the so-called “postmortem” discussion of test questions immediately after a particular test administration, because it has the potential to affect the fairness of the LSAT and the law school admission process. This thread has been logged and appropriate action may be taken.

Caveon Test Security is a test security vendor for LSAC.

Which includes no action whatsoever. Running around making vague threats through boilerplate legalese is a good strategy for intimidating the sheep, but you think it's going to stop (or even slow) legal-minded people from engaging in totally appropriate discussion of a totally asinine test, you've got another thing coming.

[DukeCornell]

Ok, it seems as if everyone is stressing, so let’s talk about something new. Did anyone eat their snack?

[SageD]

My wife was reading this forums while I was taking the test, so after I got home she was asking me about the "stained glass" game.

As I was explaining it to her, I made an inference that would have opened the entire section up for me.

Fuck you, universe!

[legal10101]

The children walking up the stairs was real.

[kwais]

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[chup]

For the last time, soliciting answers/inferences etc. via PM is a no-no. Enjoy your 24-hour vacation.

The next one will be significantly longer.

[legal10101]

The children walking up the stairs was real.

[robotclubmember]

Honestly, I'd be surprised if it was anything more than -12.

After every LSAT people come on the board and say it was the hardest ever.

Dec 2010 was for sure hard, esp. two games - but the other two games were ridiculously easy - if you even got to the fourth game, that is (which wasn't my case).

I felt one LR section, which I'm now becoming to realize is real, was hard as balls but the other LR sections was very, very easy.

RC overall was easier than some recent RCs. Nothing was a Noguchi (sp). I think we have a better chance of getting -10 than we do -14. Most likely -11/-12 like Oct. is what I'd guess.

I agree. I'm favoring -11. I mean yes the LG was hard. Conferences was probably tougher than dinos. But both the first LR was completely cake, RC was cake, and the second LR was average difficulty. It balances out to a pretty standard curve.

[NYCcops]

Just throwing this out there: I had an experimental LR in section 4 today. I have this somewhat confirmed with other test takers that took the test in NYC today in person. It seems as if this is accurate.

Anybody else get experimental LR in section 4 right after the break and say "What the f___"

[justadude55]

guys i know you're nervous/anxious but in a month knowing the right answers in dec will have no value whatsoever. it serves no value now other than to be make you temporarily happy or sad. don't break the law for momentary happiness just like how you would not smoke crack for momentary happiness. you're jeopardizing your legal career for something really inconsequential.

[akikaze]

Just throwing this out there: I had an experimental LR in section 4 today. I have this somewhat confirmed with other test takers that took the test in NYC today in person. It seems as if this is accurate.

Anybody else get experimental LR in section 4 right after the break and say "What the f___"

How did you know it was experimental? If you have 3 LR's you don't know which is experimental until you come online =)

[fosterp]

Anyone know if the experimental or real LR had a point at issue question towards the end involving ancient and contemporary philosophy? I usually have some idea to narrow down questions on LR but this is the first time I had ever seen a question that I had absolutely no clue what could possibly be the answer. Heres hoping its the exp...

Oh, and anyone know how sensitive their computers are to bubbling? I was bubbling in an answer when time was called and I got about 2/3 of the bubble filled and didn't want to risk a misconduct so I left it.