The Official June 2016 Study Group Forum

chicharon · Post by **chicharon** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:04 pm

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Binghamton1018 · Post by **Binghamton1018** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:07 pm

ngogirl12 wrote:
Binghamton1018 wrote:
Nice, I'm on to MSS next week. I wanted to ask, how is 7sage for the LR explanations? is each question answered thoroughly?
I'm a huge fan of 7Sage so of course I am a little biased, but yeah JY does a great job explaining each answer choice. Before you even get to the LR question types though, he does a grammar breakdown and teaches you to look at/approach each question from a LSAT logic type of reasoning. He also has quizzes to drill in the concepts. If I don't understand a concept or quiz, I will redo it/rewatch the lesson until it is drilled into my head and I am 100% certain.

I also have the Trainer book, so before I do the question type I do the lesson on 7Sage, watch the LR videos he has (even if I am going to see the same questions in the Cambridge packet) that said before I watch the LR video I answer it in my mind and see if my reasoning matches up with his, read the corresponding Trainer chapter, and then hit the problem sets from Cambridge. I am not using Trainer for LG, or 7Sage for RC.

So for TLDR, yes he goes over the argument/stimulus first, and then in great detail goes over each answer choice why it is wrong or right. Another thing that is great is reading the comments after the question. If I am confused on a question I read through all the comments which are students/mentors explaining why they think the answer is right, what they find confusing, and what approaches to take. After reading through the comments, I am more than 100% clear.

Thank you for this. Yeah, I'm leaning towards 7Sage for the last 3-4 months of my prep. Maybe Feb, I totally know what you mean with getting things "100%". If you don't mind me asking, with MSS and MBT, how much conditional logic/formal logic are you drilling? I've set aside Fridays and Mondays to drill logic for about an hour and half and am slowly getting there and lowering my missed from -4 out of every 10 I do in the Cambridge packets to -1 out of every 10. Woooo!

I missed 52-1-24 today though. Blindsided. Detail creep.

WorthlessDegree · Post by **WorthlessDegree** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:24 pm

ngogirl12 wrote:
WorthlessDegree wrote:So, I'm going to Europe for the first 3 weeks of May on a fellowship. Is this going to make taking the June test a bad idea? Or could it be a nice way to prevent burnout right before the exam?
Personally, I think the first three weeks of May might be too close to the test date. I think the week before the test you should take it easy before going in for the kill. Also, there is the time difference and jetlag (depending on where in Europe you will be and where in the US you are traveling from, if it's the UK or a western European country coming from the East Coast might not be such a bad trek. If it was me, I would not take the chance (as in take the test in June) but others may disagree with me.

So, I'll have 2 full weeks between returning and the June test, so I think my body will get used to the time change by then, especially since the test is at noon. Anyone else have an opinion?

chicharon · Post by **chicharon** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:27 pm

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WorthlessDegree · Post by **WorthlessDegree** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:35 pm

chicharon wrote:
WorthlessDegree wrote:
ngogirl12 wrote:
WorthlessDegree wrote:So, I'm going to Europe for the first 3 weeks of May on a fellowship. Is this going to make taking the June test a bad idea? Or could it be a nice way to prevent burnout right before the exam?
Personally, I think the first three weeks of May might be too close to the test date. I think the week before the test you should take it easy before going in for the kill. Also, there is the time difference and jetlag (depending on where in Europe you will be and where in the US you are traveling from, if it's the UK or a western European country coming from the East Coast might not be such a bad trek. If it was me, I would not take the chance (as in take the test in June) but others may disagree with me.
So, I'll have 2 full weeks between returning and the June test, so I think my body will get used to the time change by then, especially since the test is at noon. Anyone else have an opinion?
Are you doing anything other than resting/LSAT prep for those two weeks?

Considering doing some light volunteer work from 8 to noon, but i could always cut that out if need be.

chicharon · Post by **chicharon** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:57 pm

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ColonizeMars · Post by **ColonizeMars** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:01 am

Rigo wrote:I'm all in for June though. #1 priority. Let's do this!

Same here. I'm building a routine that revolves around LSAT prep. Already included the workout part of it. Currently in process of confirming a decent gig with flexible hours; I've already made it clear to them that I will not be working past May. If I play my cards right, I may end up back there after the exam too.

ColonizeMars · Post by **ColonizeMars** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:03 am

ngogirl12 wrote:
ColonizeMars wrote: Which school did you go to and for what?
It was a small Catholic school in Rome, Italy and the discipline was International Affairs.

Cool, I did my grad school in international affairs as well, leaned more towards security than humanitarian.

ColonizeMars · Post by **ColonizeMars** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:20 am

Hey chicharon, since you a are a paralegal, how much of what you currently do and learnt while being a paralegal transfer into LSAT prep?

ngogirl12 · Post by **ngogirl12** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:01 am

chicharon wrote: Can I just say this is a great review/study guide, thanks for sharing

No problem. Hope it helps!

ngogirl12 · Post by **ngogirl12** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:09 am

ngogirl12 · Post by **ngogirl12** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:31 am

Binghamton1018 wrote:
Thank you for this. Yeah, I'm leaning towards 7Sage for the last 3-4 months of my prep. Maybe Feb, I totally know what you mean with getting things "100%". If you don't mind me asking, with MSS and MBT, how much conditional logic/formal logic are you drilling? I've set aside Fridays and Mondays to drill logic for about an hour and half and am slowly getting there and lowering my missed from -4 out of every 10 I do in the Cambridge packets to -1 out of every 10. Woooo! I missed 52-1-24 today though. Blindsided. Detail creep.

Yeah, no problem! I hope it helped..

So the way the 7Sage curriculum works is JY teaches you logic as the curriculum advances. So tomorrow or Saturday I will do the first lesson on logic. I was rushing through the curriculum for December so got through maybe 1/3 of the LR, but back then I did conditional diagramming for almost all my MBT questions. I remember the diagramming of course, but for the MSS questions I am trying to see what is supported in the answer choices by the stimulus. I think that the MBT questions come after you get some of the logic foundation down, also there are lessons on validity/invalid arguments etc. I got two wrong in a MSS set today, one was a stupid mistake (not reading the stimulus carefully enough when the answer choice I picked was wrong if I had noted a tiny detail), and the other was the comet question so I am going to check out the Manhattan forums for that one.

I think you need at most 1-2 months for 7Sage curriculum but that is coupled with intense understanding, drilling the concepts, drilling the question types, and reviewing the questions. Sometimes, I get lazy and don't want to put a question in my notebook, but then I think well I got the question wrong, or I got it right but I wasn't 100% sure of the answer choices so I better make sure I really understand this particular question.

I don't know if I answered your question about the drilling conditional logic. So I guess this is where I will attempt to lol: when you have the lessons on logic and then advanced logic etc. there are quizzes, exercises, handouts, games for you to really drill in the concepts and conditional logic. When I get to that part of the lesson, I am going to drill it until I can diagram it backwards in my mind with my brain shut down (if that makes any sense at all!)

ngogirl12 · Post by **ngogirl12** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:41 am

chicharon · Post by **chicharon** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:59 am

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Binghamton1018 · Post by **Binghamton1018** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:35 am

ngogirl12 wrote:
Binghamton1018 wrote:
Thank you for this. Yeah, I'm leaning towards 7Sage for the last 3-4 months of my prep. Maybe Feb, I totally know what you mean with getting things "100%". If you don't mind me asking, with MSS and MBT, how much conditional logic/formal logic are you drilling? I've set aside Fridays and Mondays to drill logic for about an hour and half and am slowly getting there and lowering my missed from -4 out of every 10 I do in the Cambridge packets to -1 out of every 10. Woooo! I missed 52-1-24 today though. Blindsided. Detail creep.
Yeah, no problem! I hope it helped..

So the way the 7Sage curriculum works is JY teaches you logic as the curriculum advances. So tomorrow or Saturday I will do the first lesson on logic. I was rushing through the curriculum for December so got through maybe 1/3 of the LR, but back then I did conditional diagramming for almost all my MBT questions. I remember the diagramming of course, but for the MSS questions I am trying to see what is supported in the answer choices by the stimulus. I think that the MBT questions come after you get some of the logic foundation down, also there are lessons on validity/invalid arguments etc. I got two wrong in a MSS set today, one was a stupid mistake (not reading the stimulus carefully enough when the answer choice I picked was wrong if I had noted a tiny detail), and the other was the comet question so I am going to check out the Manhattan forums for that one.

I think you need at most 1-2 months for 7Sage curriculum but that is coupled with intense understanding, drilling the concepts, drilling the question types, and reviewing the questions. Sometimes, I get lazy and don't want to put a question in my notebook, but then I think well I got the question wrong, or I got it right but I wasn't 100% sure of the answer choices so I better make sure I really understand this particular question.

I don't know if I answered your question about the drilling conditional logic. So I guess this is where I will attempt to lol: when you have the lessons on logic and then advanced logic etc. there are quizzes, exercises, handouts, games for you to really drill in the concepts and conditional logic. When I get to that part of the lesson, I am going to drill it until I can diagram it backwards in my mind with my brain shut down (if that makes any sense at all!)

Yes, it makes perfect sense, thank you for sharing, I'm 100% on getting the 7Sage.

Binghamton1018 · Post by **Binghamton1018** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:40 pm

My timed section today was the LG from PT 45. Did it in 41 minutes (and used every second).

Was -3 (two of which were blanks.) I have realized that my weaknesses are: "in and out" games as well as games in which we have to sequence and group. I will drill these games to perfection, while shaving off some of the extra 6-7 minutes I have been giving myself as the weeks go by. Also started bubbling today and will continue this in every section I do up until test day. I hope everyone has a wonderful weekend!

chicharon · Post by **chicharon** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:07 pm

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ngogirl12 · Post by **ngogirl12** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:17 pm

chicharon · Post by **chicharon** » Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:10 am

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ngogirl12 · Post by **ngogirl12** » Sat Dec 19, 2015 3:17 am

ngogirl12 · Post by **ngogirl12** » Sat Dec 19, 2015 3:19 am

Has anyone else in this group hit the MSS questions from Cambridge yet? There is this one question I am stumped on and I don't get the Manhattan forum reasoning..

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:14 am

ngogirl12 wrote:Has anyone else in this group hit the MSS questions from Cambridge yet? There is this one question I am stumped on and I don't get the Manhattan forum reasoning..

Have to do with a reflection in a mirror? If not, I don't know. But that's my least favorite question ever. I forgot what type it is designated as.

ColonizeMars · Post by **ColonizeMars** » Sat Dec 19, 2015 9:08 am

chicharon wrote:
ColonizeMars wrote:Hey chicharon, since you a are a paralegal, how much of what you currently do and learnt while being a paralegal transfer into LSAT prep?
This is a terrific question and one I haven't thought about in-depth. Haha. But off the top of my head: my work as a paralegal is helpful in that I realize the importance of the skills and good habits the LSAT aims to test. I have to be careful and detail-oriented at work just as on the LSAT. Gotta double-check everything at work just like the LSAT. Sometimes it's the LSAT prep that affects how I work--I find myself carrying over the methodical, logical LSAT approach to the stuff I do.

I think the real value of working as a paralegal is gaining the kind of practical knowledge and exposure to the daily lives of lawyers that I know I would not get in law school. Keep in mind I'm in corporate, so it's a lot of drafting documents, reviewing, proofreading, writing good emails, managing people to get stuff done, knowing how to make form fields in PDFs, running blacklines, knowing what a redweld is. Having at least some understanding of the structure of a deal and being able to identify the various items needed to put it together. I found my previous LS education (back in my home country) to be highly theoretical and I really like being able to balance things out by having this kind of work experience.

That's quite interesting. So, you are heading into the LSAT game with a lot more skill-set than us normiees; I'm jealous

. I mean, with enough prep, most of us are equally capable of scoring in the 170s, so it boils down to strengthening our habits/discipline on test taking execution. As a paralegal, I assumed you were exposed to some of these already, hence my question, which is pretty cool to have by the way. lol

Whats this "running blacklines, knowing what a redweld is" ? Also, which is your home country? (I'm guessing you are English).

ColonizeMars · Post by **ColonizeMars** » Sat Dec 19, 2015 9:13 am

ngogirl12 wrote: Were you in Europe as well? Yeah, my work experience is primarily ID focused, but my thesis advisor was/is a huge security wonk so completely changed my research for the thesis towards security issues lol.

Not grad school, but did my high school there, and it was by far the best school experience I've had. What was your thesis topic on if you don't mind me asking? Mine was on 'Politically motivated cyber attacks' policy implications towards the intelligence community'.