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Post by ngogirl12 » Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:30 pm

Question: Do you guys always master the game boards?

I just did a game on my own (that was in the lesson where JY split it up) not mastering the game boards/possibilities of splitting up the game board and got a perfect score within 6-7 minutes. I feel splitting it up would just waste my time, I literally only drew 3 different hypotheticals for 3 different questions, and had my general diagram that aided me in attacking the questions.

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Post by WWhitman » Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:39 pm

Hey everyone,

I have a quick question... Is there some list that categorizes logic games (PT 1-45) by type/family and also by the level of difficulty? I wanted to go through the games I have in some systematic fashion when I drill...

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Post by Mikey » Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:43 pm

WWhitman wrote:Hey everyone,

I have a quick question... Is there some list that categorizes logic games (PT 1-45) by type/family and also by the level of difficulty? I wanted to go through the games I have in some systematic fashion when I drill...
https://7sage.com/question-bank/?sectio ... t_type=all

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Post by WWhitman » Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:56 pm

TheMikey wrote:
WWhitman wrote:Hey everyone,

I have a quick question... Is there some list that categorizes logic games (PT 1-45) by type/family and also by the level of difficulty? I wanted to go through the games I have in some systematic fashion when I drill...
https://7sage.com/question-bank/?sectio ... t_type=all
Much appreciate it.

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Post by tofuspeedstar » Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:20 pm

ngogirl12 wrote:Question: Do you guys always master the game boards?

I just did a game on my own (that was in the lesson where JY split it up) not mastering the game boards/possibilities of splitting up the game board and got a perfect score within 6-7 minutes. I feel splitting it up would just waste my time, I literally only drew 3 different hypotheticals for 3 different questions, and had my general diagram that aided me in attacking the questions.
It depends, I try to draw every solution possible if I can infer it's less than 6 worlds. After 6 I just have my master and draw individual diagrams next to it. If I draw out everything, the questions fly a lot faster.

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Post by Alexandros » Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:22 pm

Ended up working later cause of a meeting and I'm way too fucking exhausted to work on games right now. I forgot how tiring it is to actually work 9-5. Was going to do a PT tomorrow morning but we'll see how much I manage to get done this evening. Might have to postpone that.

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Post by Mikey » Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:23 pm

ngogirl12 wrote:Question: Do you guys always master the game boards?

I just did a game on my own (that was in the lesson where JY split it up) not mastering the game boards/possibilities of splitting up the game board and got a perfect score within 6-7 minutes. I feel splitting it up would just waste my time, I literally only drew 3 different hypotheticals for 3 different questions, and had my general diagram that aided me in attacking the questions.
For me it depends on the game and its rules. There's some grouping games that I do split the game board up and solve for all possibilities if it's easily doable with very strict rules. If a majority of the rules aren't strict, then I just go straight to the questions.

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Post by 34iplaw » Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:24 pm

Just finished the remaining 60 or so of the flawed methods of reasoning. I had flagged 20 of these (these I flag more often, as I occasionally see a flaw that I do not know what it means or it is the first time that I have seen it - i.e. I want to know what the LSAT meaning of hearsay is.) Overall, 92/100 which isn't too bad, IMO.

I have 30 flawed parallel reasoning questions left in this homework. I'll try to do them tonight, but I'm not sure if my faculties are starting to fade. The last 10 of the flawed methods were kind of rough. Some of those I got right just by eliminating wrong choices.

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Post by Alexandros » Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:44 pm

If anyone's feeling low on games, the two fake Manhattan games I've done are pretty decent LG imitations imo. Only issue is they're a pain to print.

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Post by Alexandros » Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:06 pm

I seem to really struggle on sequencing/linear games with a lot of conditional logic (think 73.1). I haven't seen them too much in the older tests but they've cropped up a few times on the newer ones.

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Post by 34iplaw » Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:35 pm

Opening Ceremony tomorrow should be an interesting and/or mildly terrifying break from all this LSAT stuff.

I feel like the Rio Olympics is going to be the crummy movie every kid made in high school with cheap/free editing software version of the Olympics. The thing about the barrier obstructing views of the poor areas of the city is *absurd.*

I feel like this coverage is just going to verify The Onion's description of Brazil...
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Post by Mikey » Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:42 pm

Going to work on some RC tomorrow with going back to the memory method and flipping the page over, etc. I need to get my RC shit back to decent, I've been slacking lately.

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Post by Alexandros » Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:50 pm

PT-ing Saturday instead of tomorrow. Going to try to get a lot of sleep tonight and have a (more) productive prep day tomorrow, so I can go into the PT feeling a bit more confident about games/RC/everything.

I'm thinking, when I finally manage to get my sleep schedule to the point of waking up at 5 (hopefully next week), I might start prepping from 6am-12pm. Most of my coworkers don't show up until past noon anyways, and I'd rather be fresh for prep and worn out mindless office work than vise versa. Plus - prepping around the time the test will be couldn't hurt.

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Post by 34iplaw » Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:15 pm

Alexandros wrote:PT-ing Saturday instead of tomorrow. Going to try to get a lot of sleep tonight and have a (more) productive prep day tomorrow, so I can go into the PT feeling a bit more confident about games/RC/everything.

I'm thinking, when I finally manage to get my sleep schedule to the point of waking up at 5 (hopefully next week), I might start prepping from 6am-12pm. Most of my coworkers don't show up until past noon anyways, and I'd rather be fresh for prep and worn out mindless office work than vise versa. Plus - prepping around the time the test will be couldn't hurt.
I've been doing 12PM-9PM roughly. I should probably change like 9AM-12PM; lunch; 1PM-7PM; dinner & chillax.

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Post by Alexandros » Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:46 pm

34iplaw wrote:
Alexandros wrote:PT-ing Saturday instead of tomorrow. Going to try to get a lot of sleep tonight and have a (more) productive prep day tomorrow, so I can go into the PT feeling a bit more confident about games/RC/everything.

I'm thinking, when I finally manage to get my sleep schedule to the point of waking up at 5 (hopefully next week), I might start prepping from 6am-12pm. Most of my coworkers don't show up until past noon anyways, and I'd rather be fresh for prep and worn out mindless office work than vise versa. Plus - prepping around the time the test will be couldn't hurt.
I've been doing 12PM-9PM roughly. I should probably change like 9AM-12PM; lunch; 1PM-7PM; dinner & chillax.
I mean, do what works for you! 9 hours on end is a lot but I followed a similar schedule a lot of days before work started.

The amount of time you need to put into this test is ridiculous. I'm trying not to think about it or I'll have an existential crisis. It's all more than worth it though! 8)

At this point I feel like a lot of my prep is not trying to get better at sections so much as trying not to get worse at sections. :roll: Did a section of each this morning but way too tired today to do much now. I think I'm just gonna spend the rest of the evening looking through cookbooks or something.

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Post by 20170322 » Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:51 pm

I'm ready for this fucking test. It's hard to keep up prep with work and class.

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Post by 34iplaw » Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:59 pm

Haven't done these in awhile.

Tomorrow:

Finish Parallel Flaw Reasoning questions (x20 harder difficulty)
Go over those and 4F mistakes/slow questions from this lesson
RC at least x8 passages

Opening ceremony/relax/input questions into sheet.

I may skim some Manhattan RC tonight. Is it worthwhile to peruse that book, or not really? Alternatively, any good strategies to try out? I can get -0 to -1 on almost any passage if I take 10-12 minutes, but, for the sake of the LSAT, that isn't really tenable (unless I decide to just guess on the questions for the shortest passage which may not be the worst strategy in the world but I rather work on getting to them all then concede two-three points right off the bat.)

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Post by StopLawying » Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:33 pm

Crazy how LSAC no longer sells PT 40-50. Lots of these 40s tests going for ridiculous prices on Amazon, like $75. Why would LSAC stop selling them, don't get it.

Anyway took PT 45 today and will BR tomorrow. Just marked the games section because I felt really confident I got -0 and I did. Seriously, this was the easiest game section in LSAC history. Haven't seen easier. If you want a confident boost in games take this section. RC was pretty easy I felt, Hippocratic oath wasn't that bad. Found LR to be a bit on the harder side. Some of the 40s LR are a lot harder than the ones in the 60s, more complex/dense stimuli. Will update tomorrow.

And seriously guys be careful of burn out. If you can put in 5-6 hours a day and not get burnt out go ahead. But I've heard so many stories of ppl who studied like crazy for their first take, underperformed, then dialed back amount of prep hours for their second take and killed it. One friend in particular studied 8 hours a day for his first take, got a 158. Then he studied 2-3 hours a day and got a 170 on his retake. Don't know if I can attribute the score increase to less hours of prep, but he's convinced that's why he scored much higher. Burnout is real.

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Post by ngogirl12 » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:29 am

TheMikey wrote:Going to work on some RC tomorrow with going back to the memory method and flipping the page over, etc. I need to get my RC shit back to decent, I've been slacking lately.
I think that's a good idea.

I have yet to figure out a remedy for my Science passage issue lol. I started listening to Nature Journal podcasts again today.

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Post by ngogirl12 » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:33 am

Alexandros wrote:PT-ing Saturday instead of tomorrow. Going to try to get a lot of sleep tonight and have a (more) productive prep day tomorrow, so I can go into the PT feeling a bit more confident about games/RC/everything.

I'm thinking, when I finally manage to get my sleep schedule to the point of waking up at 5 (hopefully next week), I might start prepping from 6am-12pm. Most of my coworkers don't show up until past noon anyways, and I'd rather be fresh for prep and worn out mindless office work than vise versa. Plus - prepping around the time the test will be couldn't hurt.
I've started the 7-8 hours of sleep and waking up at 7am this week, it has made a world of a difference in my prep and being alert while studying.

My ultimate goal is: gym every morning, waking up at 6am daily, and getting at least 8 hours of sleep daily. Also, once the sun decides to chill out (HOPEFULLY SOON) start having salmon at least once a week.

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Post by etramak » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:39 am

StopLawying wrote:Crazy how LSAC no longer sells PT 40-50. Lots of these 40s tests going for ridiculous prices on Amazon, like $75. Why would LSAC stop selling them, don't get it.
Please don't tell me you paid anything close to $75 for a prep test. There are other ways to get this material...

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Post by ngogirl12 » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:41 am

34iplaw wrote:
I may skim some Manhattan RC tonight. Is it worthwhile to peruse that book, or not really? Alternatively, any good strategies to try out? I can get -0 to -1 on almost any passage if I take 10-12 minutes, but, for the sake of the LSAT, that isn't really tenable (unless I decide to just guess on the questions for the shortest passage which may not be the worst strategy in the world but I rather work on getting to them all then concede two-three points right off the bat.)
I did Manhattan Prep first and then implemented 7Sages Memory Method. I don't know how much either method helped me with Science passages lol, but I'm hoping that problem will go away after I continuously read dense Science articles and listen to Nature Journal podcasts consistently. Even though their topics are geared towards Science (they basically report articles released in different scientific journals and interview the scientists), they have good arguments they use through speech.

Re: Manhattan prep, I found it to be really helpful in terms of approaching RC passages. They have different chapters on how to read/approach the passages (I'm sure you don't need help with that), but what is helpful is what to do when your reading a passage you don't understand, how to deal with timing issues etc. The also have the PEAR strategy (Pause-Evaluate-Anticipate-Reassess and a scale used to compare the arguments which is helpful for the main point structure questions. Parts of it is similar to 7Sage, but parts of it are really helpful in dissecting the questions and dealing with issues when you are pressed for time and need to do a passage in 6 minutes or don't understand a passage at all.

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Post by ngogirl12 » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:48 am

So my plan for tonight is hang the LG towel out and read a scientific journal article, if I get extra time watch a National Geographic documentary on YouTube (they have tons); Tomorrow, I'll finish up the homework for LG which is two chapters from the Cambridge LG Volume 1 set.

Also, I will do the LR lesson set from 7Sage, which I think is Argument Part and Method of Reasoning questions. If I get time, I'll do the Principle question lesson also. Slowly and steadily creeping over to the flawed lesson of reasoning lol.

Also, I love the quotes 7Sage gives you while you are doing a lesson. Today's quote inspired me so much that I wrote it on a sticky and put it on the wall where I study, "the will to win means nothing if you haven't the will to prepare."

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Post by Alexandros » Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:15 am

- 3 RC. -_- 1 misreading the stim.
-2 on the injunctions/trade secrets passage alone (55.2.1) Honestly, so many of these questions I feel I'm making educated guesses, which is probably why my RC scores fluctuate so much. Guess this one goes in the stack....

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