The Official September 2017 Study Group Forum

[Alexandros]

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[Alexandros]

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[oopsu812]

GPA has officially exceeded CLS's 75th.
In b4 I get a D in the class that hasn't been updated.

Keep it up and enjoy your Hammy, mate. What is the 75th?

3.81.
I'm officially jinxing it by making premature announcements, will fail all courses next yr and graduate with 2.0.

Didn't realise it was so low compared to the rest of the T6. Man, I should just start getting myself excited for CLS honestly. Seems like that's where I'll end up.

And nah, I think you'll maintain that just fine.

It always shocks me how high GPAs are, especially relative to LSAT, at most law schools.

Yeah, shocks me too. I wonder why some schools favour high GPAs over LSATs, when high LSATs are much rarer and standardised.

[Alexandros]

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[oopsu812]

GPA has officially exceeded CLS's 75th.
In b4 I get a D in the class that hasn't been updated.

Keep it up and enjoy your Hammy, mate. What is the 75th?

3.81.
I'm officially jinxing it by making premature announcements, will fail all courses next yr and graduate with 2.0.

Didn't realise it was so low compared to the rest of the T6. Man, I should just start getting myself excited for CLS honestly. Seems like that's where I'll end up.

And nah, I think you'll maintain that just fine.

It always shocks me how high GPAs are, especially relative to LSAT, at most law schools.

Yeah, shocks me too. I wonder why some schools favour high GPAs over LSATs, when high LSATs are much rarer and standardised.

It was a lot easier for me to get a 170+ LSAT than even a 3.7 GPA. It surprises me that there are so many applicants with such a high GPAs and lower LSATs.

Also the thing about CLS is they don't give much $$ out between Butler and Hammy. Whereas a school like Mich gives out 120k and 150k out fairly frequently if you miss the big named full-ride.

Yeah, I've noticed that with Columbia too. 120k from Michigan would be no good to me though because I wouldn't be covered by their LRAP. I'd imagine I'd be better off taking on a bit more debt so that I would be covered. I'm not sure though, haven't crunched any numbers yet.

[Alexandros]

Keep it up and enjoy your Hammy, mate. What is the 75th?

3.81.
I'm officially jinxing it by making premature announcements, will fail all courses next yr and graduate with 2.0.

Didn't realise it was so low compared to the rest of the T6. Man, I should just start getting myself excited for CLS honestly. Seems like that's where I'll end up.

And nah, I think you'll maintain that just fine.

It always shocks me how high GPAs are, especially relative to LSAT, at most law schools.

Yeah, shocks me too. I wonder why some schools favour high GPAs over LSATs, when high LSATs are much rarer and standardised.

It was a lot easier for me to get a 170+ LSAT than even a 3.7 GPA. It surprises me that there are so many applicants with such a high GPAs and lower LSATs.

Also the thing about CLS is they don't give much $$ out between Butler and Hammy. Whereas a school like Mich gives out 120k and 150k out fairly frequently if you miss the big named full-ride.

Yeah, I've noticed that with Columbia too. 120k from Michigan would be no good to me though because I wouldn't be covered by their LRAP. I'd imagine I'd be better off taking on a bit more debt so that I would be covered. I'm not sure though, haven't crunched any numbers yet.

I thought you were planning on BL?

[oopsu812]

It was a lot easier for me to get a 170+ LSAT than even a 3.7 GPA. It surprises me that there are so many applicants with such a high GPAs and lower LSATs.

Also the thing about CLS is they don't give much $$ out between Butler and Hammy. Whereas a school like Mich gives out 120k and 150k out fairly frequently if you miss the big named full-ride.

Yeah, I've noticed that with Columbia too. 120k from Michigan would be no good to me though because I wouldn't be covered by their LRAP. I'd imagine I'd be better off taking on a bit more debt so that I would be covered. I'm not sure though, haven't crunched any numbers yet.

I thought you were planning on BL?

Sure, I wouldn't mind doing a couple of years to accumulate savings and pay off some debt if I knew I could go into PI after. I'd just be worried about being forced by debt to stay in BL for so long that the PI ship sails. Also, things change. Taking on lots of debt somewhere where I don't qualify for LRAP means I'm absolutely forced to go into BL, no matter what. Am I comfortable with that? Not sure. I'm talking like, 120k at Michigan vs. Butler at Columbia type difference here though, not sticker.

[Alexandros]

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[twiix]

Oh noez.
Barbers can't be trusted.

I have one that I've been going to for 20+ years, shes the only one I trust at this point. Too bad the store is 2 hours away :/

I'm going to have either a plane cost or severe anxiety during OCI or 1oL pictures

I have trust issues with hairdressers. While I was abroad I refused to get my hair done, but this week I have an appointment with a new hairdresser, and I'm hoping she'll be my go to in the future. Pray 4 me.

I can't remember the last time I went to one - I think I was like 17? Iirc they left me sitting there for 45 minutes, barely did anything, and charged me $60. I just cut it myself. Looks bad but not as bad as when they do it.

I paid $15 and I thought I was getting ripped off. y so expense

Go to a salon dude. Best advice my mom ever gave me. I get a free facial (dont judge.. relaxing AF.. cant knock it till you try it), scalp massage, hot lather neck shave with a straight edge and they always do a good job. They're all super young so they know the trends of our generation, and usually they're not too bad looking either (added bonus). I usually spend around 40 after a tip. Worth every penny, ill never go back to a regular barber again.

[presidentspivey]

GPA has officially exceeded CLS's 75th.
In b4 I get a D in the class that hasn't been updated.

Keep it up and enjoy your Hammy, mate. What is the 75th?

3.81.
I'm officially jinxing it by making premature announcements, will fail all courses next yr and graduate with 2.0.

Didn't realise it was so low compared to the rest of the T6. Man, I should just start getting myself excited for CLS honestly. Seems like that's where I'll end up.

And nah, I think you'll maintain that just fine.

It always shocks me how high GPAs are, especially relative to LSAT, at most law schools.

Same on CLS oopus. Agreed on the high GPA thing. Take a look at this regional T1's 75ths
https://www.law.asu.edu/about/jd-facts-figures
3.80/163. I think the vast majority of students who get a 3.8 and are serious about law school are capable of getting a 170+. But I imagine a lot of these people treat the LSAT like the SAT/ACT. Maybe buy one book and take the June 2007 test and call it a day.

[oopsu812]

It was a lot easier for me to get a 170+ LSAT than even a 3.7 GPA. It surprises me that there are so many applicants with such a high GPAs and lower LSATs.

Also the thing about CLS is they don't give much $$ out between Butler and Hammy. Whereas a school like Mich gives out 120k and 150k out fairly frequently if you miss the big named full-ride.

Yeah, I've noticed that with Columbia too. 120k from Michigan would be no good to me though because I wouldn't be covered by their LRAP. I'd imagine I'd be better off taking on a bit more debt so that I would be covered. I'm not sure though, haven't crunched any numbers yet.

I thought you were planning on BL?

Sure, I wouldn't mind doing a couple of years to accumulate savings and pay off some debt if I knew I could go into PI after. I'd just be worried about being forced by debt to stay in BL for so long that the PI ship sails. Also, things change. Taking on lots of debt somewhere where I don't qualify for LRAP means I'm absolutely forced to go into BL, no matter what. Am I comfortable with that? Not sure. I'm talking like, 120k at Michigan vs. Butler at Columbia type difference here though, not sticker.

That makes sense.

All that said, I'm hoping I'll end up with The Great stats and it won't matter anyways.

[chargers21]

Same on CLS oopus. Agreed on the high GPA thing. Take a look at this regional T1's 75ths
https://www.law.asu.edu/about/jd-facts-figures
3.80/163. I think the vast majority of students who get a 3.8 and are serious about law school are capable of getting a 170+. But I imagine a lot of these people treat the LSAT like the SAT/ACT. Maybe buy one book and take the June 2007 test and call it a day.

except me... But I guess I was capable. I averaged a 170 on PTs (basically all 169, 170, and 171s) and scored a random 174 once. Fell short on test day, but I guess I was capable and got results that were acceptable enough for my goals. If I was allowed a 4th take for the June test, no doubt I would have hit 170.

[dj9i27]

Oh noez.
Barbers can't be trusted.

I have one that I've been going to for 20+ years, shes the only one I trust at this point. Too bad the store is 2 hours away :/

I'm going to have either a plane cost or severe anxiety during OCI or 1oL pictures

I have trust issues with hairdressers. While I was abroad I refused to get my hair done, but this week I have an appointment with a new hairdresser, and I'm hoping she'll be my go to in the future. Pray 4 me.

I can't remember the last time I went to one - I think I was like 17? Iirc they left me sitting there for 45 minutes, barely did anything, and charged me $60. I just cut it myself. Looks bad but not as bad as when they do it.

I paid $15 and I thought I was getting ripped off. y so expense

Go to a salon dude. Best advice my mom ever gave me. I get a free facial (dont judge.. relaxing AF.. cant knock it till you try it), scalp massage, hot lather neck shave with a straight edge and they always do a good job. They're all super young so they know the trends of our generation, and usually they're not too bad looking either (added bonus). I usually spend around 40 after a tip. Worth every penny, ill never go back to a regular barber again.

I think I'm going to from now on, buy it nice or buy it twice (or in my case wait 1.5 months until normal). Thank Christ there aren't any interviews, otherwise they'd be asking me about my involvement with the alt-right

[presidentspivey]

Same on CLS oopus. Agreed on the high GPA thing. Take a look at this regional T1's 75ths
https://www.law.asu.edu/about/jd-facts-figures
3.80/163. I think the vast majority of students who get a 3.8 and are serious about law school are capable of getting a 170+. But I imagine a lot of these people treat the LSAT like the SAT/ACT. Maybe buy one book and take the June 2007 test and call it a day.

except me... But I guess I was capable. I averaged a 170 on PTs (basically all 169, 170, and 171s) and scored a random 174 once. Fell short on test day, but I guess I was capable and got results that were acceptable enough for my goals. If I was allowed a 4th take for the June test, no doubt I would have hit 170.

You ended up with a great outcome though, and it sounds like you left everything on the field with the test. No need to feel bad!

[Alexandros]

Oh noez.
Barbers can't be trusted.

I have one that I've been going to for 20+ years, shes the only one I trust at this point. Too bad the store is 2 hours away :/

I'm going to have either a plane cost or severe anxiety during OCI or 1oL pictures

I have trust issues with hairdressers. While I was abroad I refused to get my hair done, but this week I have an appointment with a new hairdresser, and I'm hoping she'll be my go to in the future. Pray 4 me.

I can't remember the last time I went to one - I think I was like 17? Iirc they left me sitting there for 45 minutes, barely did anything, and charged me $60. I just cut it myself. Looks bad but not as bad as when they do it.

I paid $15 and I thought I was getting ripped off. y so expense

Go to a salon dude. Best advice my mom ever gave me. I get a free facial (dont judge.. relaxing AF.. cant knock it till you try it), scalp massage, hot lather neck shave with a straight edge and they always do a good job. They're all super young so they know the trends of our generation, and usually they're not too bad looking either (added bonus). I usually spend around 40 after a tip. Worth every penny, ill never go back to a regular barber again.

I think I'm going to from now on, buy it nice or buy it twice (or in my case wait 1.5 months until normal). Thank Christ there aren't any interviews, otherwise they'd be asking me about my involvement with the alt-right

I'm so sorry.

[chargers21]

Same on CLS oopus. Agreed on the high GPA thing. Take a look at this regional T1's 75ths
https://www.law.asu.edu/about/jd-facts-figures
3.80/163. I think the vast majority of students who get a 3.8 and are serious about law school are capable of getting a 170+. But I imagine a lot of these people treat the LSAT like the SAT/ACT. Maybe buy one book and take the June 2007 test and call it a day.

except me... But I guess I was capable. I averaged a 170 on PTs (basically all 169, 170, and 171s) and scored a random 174 once. Fell short on test day, but I guess I was capable and got results that were acceptable enough for my goals. If I was allowed a 4th take for the June test, no doubt I would have hit 170.

You ended up with a great outcome though, and it sounds like you left everything on the field with the test. No need to feel bad!

Yeah, realistically it only cost me about 30k (lulz still a lot, but not not worth 2 years sitting out) or going to Harvard. I love Duke and it was really only second to Harvard for what I want do

[dj9i27]

I'm so sorry.

I think I will look like a people again this time next week; when I have to talk to my old professors lol.

My stubble is integrated with my sideburns, I don't know where to shave.

[PrezRand]

I'm just gonna forget about S because it's not happening.

Might just try since I'm a urm.

My list right now is: Uva, Duke, UT, GT, Vandy, SMU, WUSTL, and UH. I might apply to cornell H, and S

[chewinggum]

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[Alexandros]

I'm so sorry.

I think I will look like a people again this time next week; when I have to talk to my old professors lol.

My stubble is integrated with my sideburns, I don't know where to shave.

Good luck, my friend.
Good thing about hair is that it grows back reasonably fast.

[chewinggum]

I'm just gonna forget about S because it's not happening.

Might just try since I'm a urm.

My list right now is: Uva, Duke, UT, GT, Vandy, SMU, WUSTL, and UH. I might apply to cornell H, and S

Just stay away from CN

[Alexandros]

Prediction: H's 25th percentile GPA will plummet.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Prediction: H's 25th percentile GPA will plummet.

*Prayer hands*

[twiix]

Prediction: H's 25th percentile GPA will plummet.

*Prayer hands*

If it tanks too bad they may try to overcorrect the next few cycles to bring it back up...

[Alexandros]

Prediction: H's 25th percentile GPA will plummet.

*Prayer hands*

If it tanks too bad they may try to overcorrect the next few cycles to bring it back up...

My guess is they'll still care about LSAT median a lot more than GPA 25th. They won't bring the GPA 25th back up at the expense of the LSAT median.

Mystic Alex says 3.6x. They accepted essentially everyone on LSN with an LSAT at or above 175 and a GPA > 3.55. Yield will be especially high for folks with lower GPAs who are less likely to have gotten YS / full-ride options.