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[Nulli Secundus]

Dave has no fashion sense, and will wear any combination of garments regardless of whether someone thinks they “match.” Every day Dave chooses an outfit consisting of one of each of the following garments: jacket, tie, shirt, pants, boxers, right sock, left sock, right shoe, left shoe. If Dave has more than one of each of the listed garments, and can make 63,000 different outfits, then for how many garments does Dave have exactly five choices?

It took me exactly 2 seconds to figure that one out, fyi:

63000 = 2 x 2 x 2 x 3 x 3 x 5 x 5 x 5 x 7

See how 63000 has exactly and conveniently 9 factors? Equal to number of items.

So he has 5 choices for 3 items. Simple as fuark.

[igo2northwestern]

I think my post made perfect sense: that you can add the gmat to your resume if you did relatively well despite not being in the top 1 percent. I was being sarcastic of previous posters saying only a 750 is impressive and a 700 isn't good.That it is ridiculous to say that only 1 percent should be considered resume worthy. Even if you scored a 600 that is still better than the majority of test takers who are college graduates. if you did really score that, what test prep company did you use? I just think it's comical they don't release your actual test considering that is how you can hold a test maker accountable for the material it is over.

I'm responding because I'm the "previous posters" you're referring to.

Read the context for what I said. If you want MBB out of law school, a 700 is not impressive. How do I know this? Because I know. And I'm not some guy/girl spouting (uninformed) deductive reasoning.

Like the other posters have said, that you aren't able to score above 650 with substantial prep does not mean that others cannot do it. Another person mentioned that the learning curve depends on one's math background, and this is true. I spent 1 week prepping without a course for the GMAT after having prepped for the LSAT, to score 750+.

I know at least two people who prepped for a similar amount of time--management consultants applying to Bschool--who also scored 750+. Given the right (intensive) prep and quantitative ability, it's not impossible.

eta: I'll disagree with another poster in that I don't think the math portion is a walk in the park; in fact, I found it was very difficult. And this is coming from someone whose strong suit was math since birth, and whose math component score was higher than verbal. Even though the tested concepts technically don't extend beyond Geometry/Algebra, I think you'd be surprised at how advanced it gets.

[bpolley0]

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[Nulli Secundus]

Dave has no fashion sense, and will wear any combination of garments regardless of whether someone thinks they “match.” Every day Dave chooses an outfit consisting of one of each of the following garments: jacket, tie, shirt, pants, boxers, right sock, left sock, right shoe, left shoe. If Dave has more than one of each of the listed garments, and can make 63,000 different outfits, then for how many garments does Dave have exactly five choices?

It took me exactly 2 seconds to figure that one out, fyi:

63000 = 2 x 2 x 2 x 3 x 3 x 5 x 5 x 5 x 7

See how factors of 63000 is exactly and conveniently 9? Equal to number of items.

So he has 5 choices for 3 items. Simple as fuark.

Not going to lie, I laughed pretty hard.

What struck you as funny in my answer?

[bpolley0]

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[Nulli Secundus]

Ugh. Why do I even respond to you anyway?

You gave that question as an example of how impossible GMAT quant questions to answer in the given time, and I showed how stupid an example that is (although it is highly unlikely to find a non-stupid example for your hypo anyway, so I am not blaming you). The sooner you accept the test, GMAC, test prep companies etc. are not to blame for your failure and find pursuits better suited to your capabilities, the less disappointment you will feel.

Hth.

(And why faking something, googling an answer or similar behavior is the first thing that comes to your mind is also curious. Try suing LSAC and GMAC for being allowed into the exam with access to Google, as it might be your only chance.)

[juzam_djinn]

sigh, you didn't use "ad hominem" correctly b/c I never attacked you personally; calling your statements incoherent is not distracting from the argument at hand, it is merely calling attention to the fact that your posts were quite poorly constructed and rambled

behoove was used just fine; just b/c a certain avenue to make money exists does NOT mean that at least one mba grad would be compelled or feel as if they had a duty to take advantage of it, which is exactly what you were trying to argue

I don't disagree that you had a main point...it's just clear to me that you decided to pick an argument with me and many others about it when we were not attacking it


bottom line, I hope you focus less on the state of the test prep industry and the makers of the GMAT and instead concentrate on improving your score...I'm NOT trying to insult you but you have some glaring grammatical errors in your sentences ("pieces of information that isn't in the book"). I could chalk that up to the fact that nobody writes well on the internet, but you DO actually write well in most of your sentences, so I think it's more likely that you simply don't have a perfect grip of certain grammatical rules.

Grammar, of course, is tested on the GMAT. It's probably one of the easiest ways to improve your score b/c it really is just memorizing some rules. Math too, before you get to around the 50/51 level, is very learnable and just requires a lot of practice along with a bit of memorization of number properties and geometry concepts. There are free apps you can download on your phone that will allow you to just drill practice math questions in your spare time wherever you are. Take advantage of these dude, they will help.

[FSK]

There goes the thread.

700 isn't impressive because so many people can get it. 750 seems like a good number to list. Any quantifiable way to signal "intelligence" atop your resume in 3 characters seems fine...

I think cracking 50 quant is impressive. The very hard quant problems often kinda mind-bending. I started studying because they were just fun to do while I was slow at work.

[bpolley0]

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[lhanvt13]

Welp, came in for the cheery GMAT gettogether and leaving cuz too much anger ._.

[bpolley0]

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[gavaga1]

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[juzam_djinn]

sigh, you didn't use "ad hominem" correctly b/c I never attacked you personally; calling your statements incoherent is not distracting from the argument at hand, it is merely calling attention to the fact that your posts were quite poorly constructed and rambled

behoove was used just fine; just b/c a certain avenue to make money exists does NOT mean that at least one mba grad would be compelled or feel as if they had a duty to take advantage of it, which is exactly what you were trying to argue

I don't disagree that you had a main point...it's just clear to me that you decided to pick an argument with me and many others about it when we were not attacking it


bottom line, I hope you focus less on the state of the test prep industry and the makers of the GMAT and instead concentrate on improving your score...I'm NOT trying to insult you but you have some glaring grammatical errors in your sentences ("pieces of information that isn't in the book"). I could chalk that up to the fact that nobody writes well on the internet, but you DO actually write well in most of your sentences, so I think it's more likely that you simply don't have a perfect grip of certain grammatical rules.

Grammar, of course, is tested on the GMAT. It's probably one of the easiest ways to improve your score b/c it really is just memorizing some rules. Math too, before you get to around the 50/51 level, is very learnable and just requires a lot of practice along with a bit of memorization of number properties and geometry concepts. There are free apps you can download on your phone that will allow you to just drill practice math questions in your spare time wherever you are. Take advantage of these dude, they will help.

My apologies if I came across in an attacking manner, that wasn't my intention. In regards to my grammar, I was at work today and I work in a very high paced environment, so I was trying to comment when I could. Therefore, I probably came across a little sloppy in my responses.

I just wanted someone to actually address what I said because to be 100% honest I am fine with coming up short. I have no problem saying I gave my all at something and perhaps it just wasn't meant to be. But because of what i listed above, I have a real hard time saying that here. I am fine with the LSAT because they give you back your test so you can go back and see oh, I missed the entire last logic game, that is what swung my score lower this time. I know what I need to do going forward. That isn't how the GMAT works and that is why I think it is generally dishonest and why I am suspicious in the first place.

no worries; I do agree it'd be nice if they give you your test back, but at the end of the day there are nice things that you get from GMAC that you don't get from LSAC (instant score with no wait time...yes please!)

although, I guess you deserve that b/c you pay $250 for the friggin test...

[sims1]

In response to people saying GMAT scores can help with MBB... Do you put your score on your resume like "GMAT: 722"? I can imagine some employers might see this as off putting. Then again, what are resumes for if not to brag a bit..

[lhanvt13]

In response to people saying GMAT scores can help with MBB... Do you put your score on your resume like "GMAT: 722"? I can imagine some employers might see this as off putting. Then again, what are resumes for if not to brag a bit..

That's the advice I've gotten. And separated by section score, at least for SATs (when applying for a business analyst equivalent position)

[juzam_djinn]

In response to people saying GMAT scores can help with MBB... Do you put your score on your resume like "GMAT: 722"? I can imagine some employers might see this as off putting. Then again, what are resumes for if not to brag a bit..

I would include it in a "Test Scores" subsection under Education; it's fine for MBB/IBD interviews b/c they expect and want that stuff. Often times you'd fill it in on their web forms if you apply through there

do not list any standardized test scores for law firms though

[igo2northwestern]

In response to people saying GMAT scores can help with MBB... Do you put your score on your resume like "GMAT: 722"? I can imagine some employers might see this as off putting. Then again, what are resumes for if not to brag a bit..

Put your score and the cumulative percentile. You could put the breakdown; but electronic apps ask you to break it down anyways, so it's a judgment call.

I'm a bit focused on aesthetics, and so if the breakdown detracts from it, then I'll leave it off. Another reason to leave it off is if one subject is significantly weaker than the other. One of the key reasons why the GMAT is helpful for MBB is because it demonstrates that you have quantitative skills...so if your Quant is horrible, then the breakdown should obviously be omitted.

Lastly, depending on the way you organize your resume, you don't need a separate section titled "Test Scores". Just put the scores in the same area you'd put your GPA.

[Instinctive]

In response to people saying GMAT scores can help with MBB... Do you put your score on your resume like "GMAT: 722"? I can imagine some employers might see this as off putting. Then again, what are resumes for if not to brag a bit..

I'm a bit focused on aesthetics, and so if the breakdown detracts from it, then I'll leave it off. Another reason to leave it off is if one subject is significantly weaker than the other. One of the key reasons why the GMAT is helpful for MBB is because it demonstrates that you have quantitative skills...so if your Quant is horrible, then the breakdown should obviously be omitted.

Lastly, depending on the way you organize your resume, you don't need a separate section titled "Test Scores". Just put the scores in the same area you'd put your GPA.

TITCR

[AbhiJ]

Dave has no fashion sense, and will wear any combination of garments regardless of whether someone thinks they “match.” Every day Dave chooses an outfit consisting of one of each of the following garments: jacket, tie, shirt, pants, boxers, right sock, left sock, right shoe, left shoe. If Dave has more than one of each of the listed garments, and can make 63,000 different outfits, then for how many garments does Dave have exactly five choices?

It took me exactly 2 seconds to figure that one out, fyi:

63000 = 2 x 2 x 2 x 3 x 3 x 5 x 5 x 5 x 7

See how 63000 has exactly and conveniently 9 factors? Equal to number of items.

So he has 5 choices for 3 items. Simple as fuark.

Not as simple if you ask me, the fact that you are assuming that Dave can wear socks/shoes of different colors is not common sense. In Fact it might make more sense to assume that shoes/socks are of same color and thus reduce the number of items to 7. The question needs to be more explicit regarding shoes/socks.

[Nova]

Welp, came in for the cheery GMAT gettogether and leaving cuz too much anger ._.

fucking

[BFlanagan]

For those taking it,

GMAT = SAT on steroids. Truth.

If you're taking it for bragging rights/resume line, 700 or gtfo. 750+ is nice.

It's not "hard" math, you just have to put in some time/learn the tricks to cracking the problems.

It's also a self-adjusting test/computerized, so totally different than the old-school LSAT.

As someone potentially taking the LSAT again and as someone who took and did very well on the GMAT, I can say it takes infinitely less hours overall to prep.

[Nulli Secundus]

Dave has no fashion sense, and will wear any combination of garments regardless of whether someone thinks they “match.” Every day Dave chooses an outfit consisting of one of each of the following garments: jacket, tie, shirt, pants, boxers, right sock, left sock, right shoe, left shoe. If Dave has more than one of each of the listed garments, and can make 63,000 different outfits, then for how many garments does Dave have exactly five choices?

It took me exactly 2 seconds to figure that one out, fyi:

63000 = 2 x 2 x 2 x 3 x 3 x 5 x 5 x 5 x 7

See how 63000 has exactly and conveniently 9 factors? Equal to number of items.

So he has 5 choices for 3 items. Simple as fuark.

Not as simple if you ask me, the fact that you are assuming that Dave can wear socks/shoes of different colors is not common sense. In Fact it might make more sense to assume that shoes/socks are of same color and thus reduce the number of items to 7. The question needs to be more explicit regarding shoes/socks.

See bolded.

[bpolley0]

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[loomy78]

checking in. havent looked at a math problem in about 10 years.. this should be fun. Just ordered the full Manhattan GMAT guidebooks.. I'm going to drill math for a few weeks before taking a diagnostic test.

Anyone have any tips for the best diagnostic test? I've heard the 2 downloaded from MBA.com are great and that they should be saved

[Learn_Live_Hope]

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