The Official June 2015 Study Group Forum

justabitunusual · Post by **justabitunusual** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:56 am

McJimJam wrote:Unsolicited advice, it's magically delicious!

+1

ChoboPie wrote: STEM also isn't nearly as easy as you say. You can't just go, Oh I'm gonna do STEM, givemediplomathxbai.

So many good points...I was pre-med and had one class really diminish my gpa overall...but i was a Biology major and jobs coming out of school with my major (not going straight to med school) were making $24K starting pay, so even though i worked a lot harder than my humanities counterparts I still had the same grading scale in the end...i ended up switching from double major my junior yr (w only 15 hours left of bio to full on Humanities and minor in bio- for personal reasons- inb4 rz tries to suggest why) which i soared through and got a 4.0 in.

McJimJam · Post by **McJimJam** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:09 am

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TheProdigal · Post by **TheProdigal** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:13 am

I'm going to echo what most everyone is saying. I can't speak from personal experience, but a friend from high school did Bio at (an arguable) state flagship research university. Graduated and couldn't find work for more than 20k, and that was before the economy cratered. He got really into breeding fish while funemployed for a while, then up and joined the army.

A second friend from UG graduated from a liberal arts college with a physics degree and is on the verge of defending his dissertation in nanotech -- he's already been quoted in some lay publications on his team's research. He's still freaking out over the chance of ever finding a decent position in academia/research.

STEM is having the same glut as law school. There are going to be winners and losers through no fault or credit of their own. They might often get there in a bit less debt, but its the same problem. We're still dealing with a pre-recession education model and pushing more money and students into STEM professions is only driving domestic wages down while employers are all too happy to outsource to India or SE Asia.

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:20 am

STEM? I'm more of a LEAF kinda guy.

McJimJam · Post by **McJimJam** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:23 am

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WhiskeyAndCupcakes · Post by **WhiskeyAndCupcakes** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:29 am

ChoboPie · Post by **ChoboPie** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:33 am

WhiskeyAndCupcakes wrote:But plz I just want to talk about how Jackel is making bad decisions, not good ones.

Why LSAT? Why law school? WHY ARE YOU SPENDING MONEY ON LSAT PREP WHEN YOU COULD BE BUYING SHOES?

These are important questions.

Real talk: Asics Nimbus is the best running shoe ever created.

justabitunusual · Post by **justabitunusual** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:35 am

ChoboPie wrote:
WhiskeyAndCupcakes wrote:But plz I just want to talk about how Jackel is making bad decisions, not good ones.

Why LSAT? Why law school? WHY ARE YOU SPENDING MONEY ON LSAT PREP WHEN YOU COULD BE BUYING SHOES?

These are important questions.
Real talk: Asics Nimbus is the best running shoe ever created.

really? you think? better than brooks?

eta: this is why we love you Whiskey... esp how you bring us back to important OT discussions

McJimJam · Post by **McJimJam** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:36 am

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Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:39 am

Having my 3rd super strong Passion Fruit + Orange Juice + Guava + Rum drink.

Hehe sup.

WhiskeyAndCupcakes · Post by **WhiskeyAndCupcakes** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:40 am

justabitunusual · Post by **justabitunusual** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:41 am

Dirigo wrote:Having my 3rd super strong Passion Fruit + Orange Juice + Guava + Rum drink.

Hehe sup.

sup.

eta: shooting for a tipsy pw

justabitunusual · Post by **justabitunusual** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:47 am

WhiskeyAndCupcakes wrote:
Disagree. Team Brooks PureFlow.

yeah girl...these are my current ones ...love them!

ChoboPie · Post by **ChoboPie** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:51 am

justabitunusual wrote:
ChoboPie wrote:
WhiskeyAndCupcakes wrote:But plz I just want to talk about how Jackel is making bad decisions, not good ones.

Why LSAT? Why law school? WHY ARE YOU SPENDING MONEY ON LSAT PREP WHEN YOU COULD BE BUYING SHOES?

These are important questions.
Real talk: Asics Nimbus is the best running shoe ever created.
really? you think? better than brookes?

eta: this is why we love you Whiskey... esp how you bring us back to important OT discussions

Yep, for real. It definitely varies from person to person, but I feel like Asics has the best bounce + feeling of lightness to it.

I used to use Brooks and New Balance stability shoes, and they were pretty damn solid. But the Nimbus just made the runs feel a lot smoother and lighter (some people used to say the NB 860s would make it feel like you were running on clouds, but I really only got that glorious feeling with the Nimbus).

Definitely try them out if you get the chance.

ETA: @Whiskey: 1v1 fite me.

jkjk, never used the PureFlow so I can't comment on them. They definitely do look pretty light af, and Imma let you finish, but Nimbus shoe best shoe of all time.

nlee10 · Post by **nlee10** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:49 am

TT sure got busy today.

Smallville · Post by **Smallville** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:26 am

Smallville · Post by **Smallville** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:24 am

McJimJam wrote:
ChoboPie wrote:Real talk: Asics Nimbus is the best running shoe ever created.
But completely unnecessary. Why would you run when you can swim?

have I mentioned your cool?

WhiskeyAndCupcakes · Post by **WhiskeyAndCupcakes** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:33 am

Dr. Nefario · Post by **Dr. Nefario** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:14 am

Nike above all.

RZ5646 · Post by **RZ5646** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:41 am

ChoboPie wrote:
Real talk: Asics Nimbus is the best running shoe ever created.

Bro I have these. Best sneakers you can buy and they last forever. I have a pair from 5+ years ago that's still wearable. Compare that to the $200 Nike Air Maxes I have which fell apart after a year. Nike: never again.

To address some of the points about STEM above:

Bio and chem grads are mostly just failed premed people so it's not surprising that they can't get jobs. It's all about applied science / math; a plain science major is about as useful to business as a liberal arts major, and all the best bio/chem majors are selected out by med school, so you're left with unemployed people.

Regarding the value of STEM / why STEMites should feel special about themselves, I believe Chobo is hinting at the stereotypical engineering major superiority complex, and I don't need to hear that. I swear to god there must be an intro engineering class at every college called "why you should feel that you are better than other majors." (This attitude makes you wonder: if engineering really is so great, why must these students be so vocal and shrill in proclaiming their greatness? It betrays insecurity.) If you want to preach that, go on Reddit or some similar echo-chamber where they enjoy such diatribes. Personally, I don't think there is anything inherently better about STEM (compared to the humanities). Knowing MATLAB and mechanical stress equations doesn't make you a better person. It does however make you useful to business, and that is why we hear these constant calls for more students in STEM, why STEM students are given greater scholarship opportunities, etc.

Finally, regarding a political poll, I see one difficulty: do you vote for what theory you believe in, or do you vote for what group you actually support in reality? For example, I lean libertarian but vote for Democrats because given my present situation they seem less harmful to me than the Republicans, and that's the only real choice.

Smallville · Post by **Smallville** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:58 am

RZ5646 wrote:
ChoboPie wrote:
Real talk: Asics Nimbus is the best running shoe ever created.
Bro I have these. Best sneakers you can buy and they last forever. I have a pair from 5+ years ago that's still wearable. Compare that to the $200 Nike Air Maxes I have which fell apart after a year. Nike: never again.

To address some of the points about STEM above:

Bio and chem grads are mostly just failed premed people so it's not surprising that they can't get jobs. It's all about applied science / math; a plain science major is about as useful to business as a liberal arts major, and all the best bio/chem majors are selected out by med school, so you're left with unemployed people.

Regarding the value of STEM / why STEMites should feel special about themselves, I believe Chobo is hinting at the stereotypical engineering major superiority complex, and I don't need to hear that. I swear to god there must be an intro engineering class at every college called "why you should feel that you are better than other majors." (This attitude makes you wonder: if engineering really is so great, why must these students be so vocal and shrill in proclaiming their greatness? It betrays insecurity.) If you want to preach that, go on Reddit or some similar echo-chamber where they enjoy such diatribes. Personally, I don't think there is anything inherently better about STEM (compared to the humanities). Knowing MATLAB and mechanical stress equations doesn't make you a better person. It does however make you useful to business, and that is why we hear these constant calls for more students in STEM, why STEM students are given greater scholarship opportunities, etc.

Finally, regarding a political poll, I see one difficulty: do you vote for what theory you believe in, or do you vote for what group you actually support in reality? For example, I lean libertarian but vote for Democrats because given my present situation they seem less harmful to me than the Republicans, and that's the only real choice.

.... I try not to join in on the OP hate but you make it so hard Rz.

TheWalkingDebt · Post by **TheWalkingDebt** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:00 am

Smallville wrote:
RZ5646 wrote: For example, I lean libertarian
.... I try not to join in on the OP hate but you make it so hard Rz.

Also, why would you vote for "what the group wants"?

RZ5646 · Post by **RZ5646** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:05 am

TheWalkingDebt wrote:
Smallville wrote:
RZ5646 wrote: For example, I lean libertarian
.... I try not to join in on the OP hate but you make it so hard Rz.

Also, why would you vote for "what the group wants"?

I don't understand your question. I'm saying there can be a disconnect between one's beliefs and one's real world political activities. Another example: a socialist would presumably vote Dem in the United States because it's a two-party system. So if we make a political poll, do they check "socialist" or "Democrat"?

nlee10 · Post by **nlee10** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:06 am

I'm curious to see political linings of posters/lurkers and a poll would make it anonymous. Do it.

TheWalkingDebt · Post by **TheWalkingDebt** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:08 am

RZ5646 wrote:
TheWalkingDebt wrote:
Smallville wrote:
RZ5646 wrote: For example, I lean libertarian
.... I try not to join in on the OP hate but you make it so hard Rz.

Also, why would you vote for "what the group wants"?
I don't understand your question. I'm saying there can be a disconnect between one's beliefs and one's real world political activities. Another example: a socialist would presumably vote Dem in the United States because it's a two-party system. So if we make a political poll, do they check "socialist" or "Democrat"?

I would just say since it's a silly TLS poll, vote what your ideal leaning would be?

ETA: Misread your first post, probably why my question did not make sense.