The Official September 2017 Study Group Forum

[Mikey]

Does neuroscience count towards the S in STEM?

Always wondered this, but tbh I don't think it does

[presidentspivey]

Neuroscience is definitely STEM

EDIT: Found a list from ICE. They considered it STEM on their 2012 list. See CIP code 26.1599

https://www.ice.gov/doclib/sevis/pdf/stem-list.pdf

[Anon-e-miss]

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/ttfn

Stanford, Ruby, and Hammy!!!!!!!!!!

<3

180 HYP STEM 3-4 yrs work experience. Right.

More and more I feel like HYP is a pretty substantial boost.

Seems as though Ivy pedigree can shore up a less-than-spectacular GPA when it comes to T14 acceptances and schollys, but I don't necessarily think it is a substantial boost

[dj9i27]

Neuroscience is definitely STEM

EDIT: Found a list from ICE. They considered it STEM on their 2012 list. See CIP code 26.1599

https://www.ice.gov/doclib/sevis/pdf/stem-list.pdf

[Anon-e-miss]

The 180 was probably a bigger boost for that applicant than HYP

[presidentspivey]

The 180 was probably a bigger boost for that applicant than HYP

Oh for sure. Didn't intend to imply otherwise.

[oopsu812]

The 180 was probably a bigger boost for that applicant than HYP

I don't understand why a prestigious undergrad should be a soft. Congratulations for doing well in high school and being able to afford a stupidly priced education, I guess?

[dj9i27]

The 180 was probably a bigger boost for that applicant than HYP

I don't understand why a prestigious undergrad should be a soft. Congratulations for doing well in high school and being able to afford a stupidly priced education, I guess?

U r jelly. I went to Yale and Princeton before going to Berkeley

[presidentspivey]

The 180 was probably a bigger boost for that applicant than HYP

I don't understand why a prestigious undergrad should be a soft. Congratulations for doing well in high school and being able to afford a stupidly priced education, I guess?

Agreed. I was 14 my freshman year of high school. Everything about my 14 year old self was cringeworthy. Only a majority is now. BTW, my earlier post was meant as a boost relative to other softs, not compared to the 180. I don't think the 180/3.7 was enough on it's own, unless she's a URM. Could be the WE, could be the HYP, could just come off incredible in a scholarship interview or PS.

[Alexandros]

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/ttfn

Stanford, Ruby, and Hammy!!!!!!!!!!

<3

180 HYP STEM 3-4 yrs work experience. Right.

More and more I feel like HYP is a pretty substantial boost.

Among softs of course. Not comparing it to a couple LSAT points or being a URM

It absolutely is.

Like, do an analysis and you'll notice basically the only people who get Hammies and are KJD or sub-3.8 are HYP / 'top private.'

[Anon-e-miss]

The 180 was probably a bigger boost for that applicant than HYP

I don't understand why a prestigious undergrad should be a soft. Congratulations for doing well in high school and being able to afford a stupidly priced education, I guess?

I only think it is a soft when the applicant has a 173+ with a 3.6/3.7 and prestigious UG. It plays off notions that prestigious UG institutions are more RIGOROUS (which, in some respects, is true). Also, every T14 is an elite private school or attached to a top 5 public UG so it shouldn't be too surprising that they look fondly upon elite UG. It is a bias of consciousness.

[Alexandros]

The 180 was probably a bigger boost for that applicant than HYP

I don't understand why a prestigious undergrad should be a soft. Congratulations for doing well in high school and being able to afford a stupidly priced education, I guess?

I mean, if HYP(S) didn't confer any advantages people wouldn't give as much of a fuck about going there as they do, so it's not particularly surprising. (Not saying it's right.)

[Alexandros]

Top UG / HYP&c will give you advantages basically everywhere. Not unique to law school admission.

[oopsu812]

I guess that's what happens when there are 2618 universities. Still think it's silly that someone could pick to go to their state school because they can't afford the crazy out of state or private school tuition, and be at a disadvantage because of it.

[chargers21]

Top UG / HYP&c will give you advantages basically everywhere. Not unique to law school admission.

+180.

Btw, I know people say don't go to LS unless it is to be a lawyer, but I'm fairly certain that a t14 JD (like Duke) will carry a lot of weight in my home state in other sectors just because my state doesn't see that much prestige often

[Anon-e-miss]

Top UG / HYP&c will give you advantages basically everywhere. Not unique to law school admission.

I'm curious what the cutoff for a "top UG" is. I know it is arbitrary but I'm generally curious.

[Alexandros]

I guess that's what happens when there are 2618 universities.

Well, there are well over 300 million people.

[Anon-e-miss]

I guess that's what happens when there are 2618 universities. Still think it's silly that someone could pick to go to their state school because they can't afford the crazy out of state or private school tuition, and be at a disadvantage because of it.

I agree, although there are many states with at least 1 good/great public school.
Also, numbers are still numbers, and numbers rule this process.

[oopsu812]

I guess that's what happens when there are 2618 universities.

Well, there are well over 300 million people.

I know, I'm not saying there should be less. Obviously at some point a line has to be drawn. I just don't agree with that line being top 10 or 25, especially when there are a lot of reasons beyond "I didn't get in" for someone to not go to one of those universities.

[Alexandros]

I guess that's what happens when there are 2618 universities. Still think it's silly that someone could pick to go to their state school because they can't afford the crazy out of state or private school tuition, and be at a disadvantage because of it.

I agree, although there are many states with at least 1 good/great public school.
Also, numbers are still numbers, and numbers rule this process.

You're not getting disadvantaged because of it - You're just not getting the advantage a very select few do. The same goes for uber-prestigious internships or something. Soft factors favor the wealthy and the privileged.

[Anon-e-miss]

I guess that's what happens when there are 2618 universities. Still think it's silly that someone could pick to go to their state school because they can't afford the crazy out of state or private school tuition, and be at a disadvantage because of it.

I agree, although there are many states with at least 1 good/great public school.
Also, numbers are still numbers, and numbers rule this process.

You're not getting disadvantaged because of it - You're just not getting the advantage a very select few do. The same goes for uber-prestigious internships or something. Soft factors favor the wealthy and the privileged.

As does, of course, the cost of tuition at almost any law school

[Alexandros]

I guess that's what happens when there are 2618 universities. Still think it's silly that someone could pick to go to their state school because they can't afford the crazy out of state or private school tuition, and be at a disadvantage because of it.

I agree, although there are many states with at least 1 good/great public school.
Also, numbers are still numbers, and numbers rule this process.

You're not getting disadvantaged because of it - You're just not getting the advantage a very select few do. The same goes for uber-prestigious internships or something. Soft factors favor the wealthy and the privileged.

As does, of course, the cost of tuition at almost any law school

As well as, honestly, almost everything about this process.
And, you know, most things in life.

Also, we do acknowledge that going to (insert prestigious school for law school) confers many tangible advantages, so it's not particularly surprising that the same is true of undergrad, if to a lesser extent.

[oopsu812]

I guess that's what happens when there are 2618 universities. Still think it's silly that someone could pick to go to their state school because they can't afford the crazy out of state or private school tuition, and be at a disadvantage because of it.

I agree, although there are many states with at least 1 good/great public school.
Also, numbers are still numbers, and numbers rule this process.

You're not getting disadvantaged because of it - You're just not getting the advantage a very select few do. The same goes for uber-prestigious internships or something. Soft factors favor the wealthy and the privileged.

Sounds like a great way for the select few to stay the select few, eh?

[Alexandros]

I guess that's what happens when there are 2618 universities. Still think it's silly that someone could pick to go to their state school because they can't afford the crazy out of state or private school tuition, and be at a disadvantage because of it.

I agree, although there are many states with at least 1 good/great public school.
Also, numbers are still numbers, and numbers rule this process.

You're not getting disadvantaged because of it - You're just not getting the advantage a very select few do. The same goes for uber-prestigious internships or something. Soft factors favor the wealthy and the privileged.

Sounds like a great way for the select few to stay the select few, eh?

I agree with what you're saying. But I mean, it's a soft factor that would only matter at the margins (a 3.9, 177, TTT UG application will beat out a 3.6, 170, HYP applicant any day) and the vast majority of applicants won't be HYP.

[PrezRand]

Vandys masters in finance/jd program in 3 years is hella appealing

I didn't know they had one. I could likely get accepted to that, unlike the other T13 schools who have business counterparts in the M7 (NU, Penn, etc.).

Is it a joint application? Require GRE or GMAT?

I think it requires one of those tests.