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get a little sauced.
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spark up.
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apply to law school.
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Post by 34iplaw » Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:58 pm

amta wrote:yeah thats what i tell people. you're paying $1400 for a babysitter.
I think that's the primary benefit for a lot of people enrolled but certainly not all.

Granted, that, alone, has some value for me and others. I have other stuff going on in my life, and it makes me prioritize this higher which does have value.

IMO - the main value comes from academic support and materials. Materials aren't cheap and you would likely spend $300+ to just get the quantity of materials they have available to you. In addition, that wouldn't be organized. Academic support is of immense value, but I imagine it is vastly underutilized. I have submitted a ticket (and received a response) for every single LR and RC question that I have missed or not been 100% certain on. Typically 10 or so per homework.

Overall, I think, if you can afford it, that they are pretty good values. I'll put it this way. I think it would cost me at least $1400 to assemble the breadth of materials, the time and effort of organizing them, and the time and effort of going out of my way to seek responses. Even though I am pretty much solely studying at this point, my time and my sanity has value! :lol:

Long story short, I wouldn't actively discourage people from seeking courses. I think the better advice is just to have them be honest with what they are getting out of it.

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Post by 34iplaw » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:01 pm

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amta wrote:yeah thats what i tell people. you're paying $1400 for a babysitter.
someone i know is paying big money for private tutoring.. i asked him what kind of stuff they do together and he basically just said that they make him drill sets and they talk about it after. i feel like it's kind of a waste since he can just drill on his own and do thorough reviews, although i'm sure his tutor has been SOME sort of help, i still think it's ehh.
When I sat in on Testmasters, the girl teaching the class (super awesome girl) was teaching some rich kid from Canada or China or something whose parents were paying for private instruction of the Testmasters' curriculum and a *nice* hotel in Brooklyn.

Granted, I think that person has a somewhat bad tutor and is using the tutor incorrectly. I mainly say that the tutor is bad as they are somewhat exploiting the situation. He should drill on his own, and he should go over with the tutor what he missed and learn why he missed it. Having a tutor babysit you just doing the problems is a complete waste of your money and their time. There is possibly *some* advantage to having them watch you do a section every now and then just to see if you have any bad habits.

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Post by proteinshake » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:02 pm

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proteinshake wrote:speaking of PS, if anyone wants to read mine, just shoot me a PM! I want some feedback. I used it last cycle and it definitely didn't hurt me and one admissions interviewer said they liked it, but if I can make any improvements, I would like to do that.
Did you write your PS in a "Why X" style or is it more along the lines of a great story linking to your interest in law?
story

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Post by EnfieldTennisChamp » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:06 pm

dietcoke1 wrote:
MAPP wrote:I'm sure it's been discussed and I've just missed the discussion, but what analog watch are you going to be using for the test? The one I've been practicing with I've realized isn't going to cut it on test day. Whenever I push in the dial on the side after moving the arm back to the twelve o'clock position to start a new section, the arm moves a minute or two left or right so I can't be exactly sure what time I have left on the section. Anyone have a watch where the dial doesn't usually cause the arm to move a few minutes off when pushed back in place?
I used this watch for the last LSAT.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005J ... UTF8&psc=1

The wheel at the top is really easy to turn to the minute hand at the beginning of every section. Overall, a smooth watch that gets the job done.
I have a Seiko and second the idea of using a rotating bezel instead of actually resetting the time.

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Post by amta » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:09 pm

my opinion on tutoring is that its not much different than a class and is way more expensive but i guess some people need that one on one, but like good fuckin luck in law school with that learning method.

my opinion on classes is that they are nice for the material that you get and the forcing you to learn the basics, but i don't think they are necessarily right for high scorers.

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Post by Alexandros » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:25 pm

I'm thinking I'm gonna get one of those Casio watches?? I figure they're not too expensive so if it's not working out I'll be able to find a different one without feeling too bad. I really need to start PTing with an analog watch though.

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Post by carasrook » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:33 pm

Hi all, I've been crazy busy with work and so I haven't had a ton of time for TLS (and tbh too much time on TLS I think negatively impacted my first take). But anyway, I pretty much took the last 3 days off because I was busy with work and preparing for a trip home for a family thing this weekend - which is why I had some time this morning. I took a test I've taken before, so it's possible that contributed to my success somewhat, but I managed to get a 175. That is far and above the best score I've EVER gotten. LR -3, LG -0, RC -4. I'm so happy!!!!

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Post by Alexandros » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:43 pm

carasrook wrote:Hi all, I've been crazy busy with work and so I haven't had a ton of time for TLS (and tbh too much time on TLS I think negatively impacted my first take). But anyway, I pretty much took the last 3 days off because I was busy with work and preparing for a trip home for a family thing this weekend - which is why I had some time this morning. I took a test I've taken before, so it's possible that contributed to my success somewhat, but I managed to get a 175. That is far and above the best score I've EVER gotten. LR -3, LG -0, RC -4. I'm so happy!!!!
YES. KILLING IT.
CONGRATS!! :D :D :D

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Post by Mikey » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:50 pm

carasrook wrote:Hi all, I've been crazy busy with work and so I haven't had a ton of time for TLS (and tbh too much time on TLS I think negatively impacted my first take). But anyway, I pretty much took the last 3 days off because I was busy with work and preparing for a trip home for a family thing this weekend - which is why I had some time this morning. I took a test I've taken before, so it's possible that contributed to my success somewhat, but I managed to get a 175. That is far and above the best score I've EVER gotten. LR -3, LG -0, RC -4. I'm so happy!!!!
I'm so happy for you cara!!! You're killing it, which PT was this?

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Post by carasrook » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:53 pm

TheMikey wrote:
carasrook wrote:Hi all, I've been crazy busy with work and so I haven't had a ton of time for TLS (and tbh too much time on TLS I think negatively impacted my first take). But anyway, I pretty much took the last 3 days off because I was busy with work and preparing for a trip home for a family thing this weekend - which is why I had some time this morning. I took a test I've taken before, so it's possible that contributed to my success somewhat, but I managed to get a 175. That is far and above the best score I've EVER gotten. LR -3, LG -0, RC -4. I'm so happy!!!!
I'm so happy for you cara!!! You're killing it, which PT was this?
Thanks Mikey!!!

Ooh prolly should've mentioned that! PT 64.

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Post by Mikey » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:59 pm

carasrook wrote:
TheMikey wrote:
carasrook wrote:Hi all, I've been crazy busy with work and so I haven't had a ton of time for TLS (and tbh too much time on TLS I think negatively impacted my first take). But anyway, I pretty much took the last 3 days off because I was busy with work and preparing for a trip home for a family thing this weekend - which is why I had some time this morning. I took a test I've taken before, so it's possible that contributed to my success somewhat, but I managed to get a 175. That is far and above the best score I've EVER gotten. LR -3, LG -0, RC -4. I'm so happy!!!!
I'm so happy for you cara!!! You're killing it, which PT was this?
Thanks Mikey!!!

Ooh prolly should've mentioned that! PT 64.
Sweet! I'll be PTing on Sunday. Currently taking a break from studying due to potentially being burnt out, lmao. How many PTs are you planning on doing from now until test day?

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Post by 34iplaw » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:01 pm

Just did Dec 2002 Game 2 in 7:00. First time that I saw it. 5/6. Not terrible given that 7sage recommends 10:00 and rates it 5/5 difficulty. I misinterpreted a rule which caused me to miss #8. Should have realized that later on and gone back to fix it. Got a bit too hung up on the lack of a diagram.

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Post by Alexandros » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:02 pm

Gonna try to do 3 LR sets, at least 2 LG sets, and then hit Economist RC. Don't really know what to focus on exactly since I seem to be having equal difficulty in each area.
I'm thinking I should start shooting for 30 min / section when drilling, even during new sets. Time has been causing too many problems.

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Post by carasrook » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:04 pm

TheMikey wrote:
carasrook wrote:
TheMikey wrote:
carasrook wrote:Hi all, I've been crazy busy with work and so I haven't had a ton of time for TLS (and tbh too much time on TLS I think negatively impacted my first take). But anyway, I pretty much took the last 3 days off because I was busy with work and preparing for a trip home for a family thing this weekend - which is why I had some time this morning. I took a test I've taken before, so it's possible that contributed to my success somewhat, but I managed to get a 175. That is far and above the best score I've EVER gotten. LR -3, LG -0, RC -4. I'm so happy!!!!
I'm so happy for you cara!!! You're killing it, which PT was this?
Thanks Mikey!!!

Ooh prolly should've mentioned that! PT 64.
Sweet! I'll be PTing on Sunday. Currently taking a break from studying due to potentially being burnt out, lmao. How many PTs are you planning on doing from now until test day?
I honestly don't know. I've only been doing about 1 full PT a week. I was on suuuuuch a strict schedule studying for June and this time I'm kinda just winging it. I'm trying to focus more on UNDERSTANDING questions/tests and drilling problem areas. Last time I just tried to get through as many tests as possible and it obv didn't work for me. Hbu?

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Post by Mikey » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:10 pm

carasrook wrote:
TheMikey wrote:
carasrook wrote:
TheMikey wrote:
carasrook wrote:Hi all, I've been crazy busy with work and so I haven't had a ton of time for TLS (and tbh too much time on TLS I think negatively impacted my first take). But anyway, I pretty much took the last 3 days off because I was busy with work and preparing for a trip home for a family thing this weekend - which is why I had some time this morning. I took a test I've taken before, so it's possible that contributed to my success somewhat, but I managed to get a 175. That is far and above the best score I've EVER gotten. LR -3, LG -0, RC -4. I'm so happy!!!!
I'm so happy for you cara!!! You're killing it, which PT was this?
Thanks Mikey!!!

Ooh prolly should've mentioned that! PT 64.
Sweet! I'll be PTing on Sunday. Currently taking a break from studying due to potentially being burnt out, lmao. How many PTs are you planning on doing from now until test day?
I honestly don't know. I've only been doing about 1 full PT a week. I was on suuuuuch a strict schedule studying for June and this time I'm kinda just winging it. I'm trying to focus more on UNDERSTANDING questions/tests and drilling problem areas. Last time I just tried to get through as many tests as possible and it obv didn't work for me. Hbu?
Oh I see, that's a better idea to review really really well than just doing many PTs.

As for me, I've been going at it with drilling and timed sections since like 2 days after we got our June scores lol. Which is why I'm taking a few days off until Sunday, which is when I'll be taking PT 60. :)

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Post by ElleElle » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:44 pm

Alexandros wrote:
ElleElle wrote:This has probably been answered a million times, but I have to get my score up! I need to go up at least 20-30 points. I work 40 hours a week, and I'm in an LSAT class that is four hours twice a week.

Im willing to do whatever it takes! How long minimum should I be studying a day?
20-30 points up by September?
I'd say 3 hours a day min as an average, but considering how close we are, more than that would probably be necessary, if you haven't really started studying yet. (if you can manage it)

Ive started studying, I get the material Its was just my timing on my first diag. I scored in the one 140s.

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Post by ElleElle » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:47 pm

Replitz wrote:
ElleElle wrote:This has probably been answered a million times, but I have to get my score up! I need to go up at least 20-30 points. I work 40 hours a week, and I'm in an LSAT class that is four hours twice a week.

Im willing to do whatever it takes! How long minimum should I be studying a day?
What test are you taking? What score are you comfortable with? How do you learn best? Nobody's going to be able to give you a *minimum* number of hours you should be studying. This depends entirely on your personal situation.

Im taking the sept test! Im comfortable with a 167, I got a 140 on practice test. My major thing is timing. I think Im just going to have to start crushing timed tests.

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Post by proteinshake » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:50 pm

ugh I had a great streak of -0 on LG going and then I just got -1 because of the last question on PT 55! it was the game about getting off the van at 4 different spots and was pretty tough. overall though I feel pretty good, the LRs weren't bad at all and although the RC was above average on difficulty (5/5 on 7Sage), I didn't find it too bad. gonna BR it later/tomorrow.

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Post by Alexandros » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:00 pm

proteinshake wrote:ugh I had a great streak of -0 on LG going and then I just got -1 because of the last question on PT 55! it was the game about getting off the van at 4 different spots and was pretty tough. overall though I feel pretty good, the LRs weren't bad at all and although the RC was above average on difficulty (5/5 on 7Sage), I didn't find it too bad. gonna BR it later/tomorrow.
Don't beat yourself up over a -1 - still fantastic!
That game was a tough one, agreed. :(

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Post by tofuspeedstar » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:02 pm

We should do a group time attack of game 3 of PT57 and see who can finish the fastest and most accurately. :D

(If you don't know the game, you should look it up :p)

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Post by tofuspeedstar » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:13 pm

Shit the bed on the LG set from PT74. -6. :(

I missed 4 on the last game alone.

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Post by PhiladelphiaCollins » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:29 pm

Took PT 74 today...161...FUCK. I know that scores are gonna jump up and down a little bit before test day but seeing a 5 point decline 8 weeks out hurts.

Ended up going

LR1: -9 :shock: (honestly thought that I went under -4
LG: -4 (thought I got like around -10 but still pissed after how hard I've been drilling LG)
RC: -8
LR2: -5

That first game threw me for an absolute loop and after spending 5 minutes on it I said whatever and rushed through the other ones and almost brute forced me way through them.

Oh well hopefully only up from here

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Post by PhiladelphiaCollins » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:36 pm

By the way, is it possible to buy PT 75-77 anywhere? And is there any chance 78 gets released before September?

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Post by Alexandros » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:40 pm

PhiladelphiaCollins wrote:By the way, is it possible to buy PT 75-77 anywhere? And is there any chance 78 gets released before September?
Yeah - amazon has 'em.
Fingers crossed for 78. Anyone know?

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Post by amta » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:41 pm

PhiladelphiaCollins wrote:By the way, is it possible to buy PT 75-77 anywhere? And is there any chance 78 gets released before September?
http://www.lsac.org/jd/lsat/preparing-f ... sat/ebooks

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