The Official September 2017 Study Group Forum

[Alexandros]

What's the consensus on doing 2 sections one night and 2 sections the other?

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[dj9i27]

What's the consensus on doing 2 sections one night and 2 sections the other?

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Like the "I'm too tired to do a 4 sectioner at 10:30pm but have enough gas in the tank for 2 sections" style PT.

[Anon-e-miss]

Most probable
MVD with $$-$$$
CNP Close to sticker
HYS Ding
then existential crisis and I go live in the desert.

Dream
S

Same @ the bolded.

also wot is CNP.

Columbia NYU and Penn since I'll be WL at Chi and can't use CCN.

Just curious why you predict a WL at Chicago and an acceptance at Penn? Most LSN profiles I've seen that get Columbia and NYU (usually requiring 170+ LSAT) either get Chicago and Penn, Chicago acceptance and Penn WL, or both WL.

Chicago obviously prefers a stronger GPA:LSAT ratio than Columbia and NYU, but Penn seems to be the same (with the added issue of YP, of which they seem to be the worst offender)

You said it perfectly with chi loving the GPA. Mine isn't great but virtually everything else is (barring lsat and I don't mean to sound arrogant) a Penn acceptance is more likely than chi but less likely than Columbia. plus lsn pegs me better at Penn by a large margin.

Still I'm going to be dinged at HYS.

That is really interesting. I have a solid (not great) GPA in terms of T14 (~3.8, +/-.02 depending on how my last semester goes), but mylsn.info has me at a much higher chance for Columbia/NYU with a 172-174 (not that I will necessarily score that high; just using it as a reference point since it is possible) while my chances at Penn are 26% lol. Idk what your GPA is but Penn is pretty unfriendly for high LSAT, decent GPA students. Even Chicago is like 70% with those numbers. It seems like Penn will ding most people with a >170 LSAT and <3.9 GPA combination.

[Mikey]

What's the consensus on doing 2 sections one night and 2 sections the other?

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Like the "I'm too tired to do a 4 sectioner at 10:30pm but have enough gas in the tank for 2 sections" style PT.

I don't see how it could hurt. It'll basically be drilling full sections is all

[dj9i27]

Most probable
MVD with $$-$$$
CNP Close to sticker
HYS Ding
then existential crisis and I go live in the desert.

Dream
S

Same @ the bolded.

also wot is CNP.

Columbia NYU and Penn since I'll be WL at Chi and can't use CCN.

Just curious why you predict a WL at Chicago and an acceptance at Penn? Most LSN profiles I've seen that get Columbia and NYU (usually requiring 170+ LSAT) either get Chicago and Penn, Chicago acceptance and Penn WL, or both WL.

Chicago obviously prefers a stronger GPA:LSAT ratio than Columbia and NYU, but Penn seems to be the same (with the added issue of YP, of which they seem to be the worst offender)

You said it perfectly with chi loving the GPA. Mine isn't great but virtually everything else is (barring lsat and I don't mean to sound arrogant) a Penn acceptance is more likely than chi but less likely than Columbia. plus lsn pegs me better at Penn by a large margin.

Still I'm going to be dinged at HYS.

That is really interesting. I have a solid (not great) GPA in terms of T14 (~3.8, +/-.02 depending on how my last semester goes), but mylsn.info has me at a much higher chance for Columbia/NYU with a 172-174 (not that I will necessarily score that high; just using it as a reference point since it is possible) while my chances at Penn are 26% lol. Idk what your GPA is but Penn is pretty unfriendly for high LSAT, decent GPA students. Even Chicago is like 70% with those numbers. It seems like Penn will ding most people with a >170 LSAT and <3.9 GPA combination.

lmao a 3.8 is fantastic, get yourself a 175+ and you are a lock almost everywhere plus named schollys. I'm a total splitter (not super but splitter) so I have to rely on softs, we and the likes. I think Penn wants people to commit and not just flake, they are effectively the middle children of LS admissions.

if you write a why Penn and have some specific LoRs they'd take you. it's all about selling yourself.

[Alexandros]

What's the consensus on doing 2 sections one night and 2 sections the other?

?

Like the "I'm too tired to do a 4 sectioner at 10:30pm but have enough gas in the tank for 2 sections" style PT.

Good idea imo.

I was shit at PTs + wurk so I did 3 sections, in the morning, PT-style, a lot. (one of each)

[chargers21]

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[Anon-e-miss]

Most probable
MVD with $$-$$$
CNP Close to sticker
HYS Ding
then existential crisis and I go live in the desert.

Dream
S

Same @ the bolded.

also wot is CNP.

Columbia NYU and Penn since I'll be WL at Chi and can't use CCN.

Just curious why you predict a WL at Chicago and an acceptance at Penn? Most LSN profiles I've seen that get Columbia and NYU (usually requiring 170+ LSAT) either get Chicago and Penn, Chicago acceptance and Penn WL, or both WL.

Chicago obviously prefers a stronger GPA:LSAT ratio than Columbia and NYU, but Penn seems to be the same (with the added issue of YP, of which they seem to be the worst offender)

You said it perfectly with chi loving the GPA. Mine isn't great but virtually everything else is (barring lsat and I don't mean to sound arrogant) a Penn acceptance is more likely than chi but less likely than Columbia. plus lsn pegs me better at Penn by a large margin.

Still I'm going to be dinged at HYS.

That is really interesting. I have a solid (not great) GPA in terms of T14 (~3.8, +/-.02 depending on how my last semester goes), but mylsn.info has me at a much higher chance for Columbia/NYU with a 172-174 (not that I will necessarily score that high; just using it as a reference point since it is possible) while my chances at Penn are 26% lol. Idk what your GPA is but Penn is pretty unfriendly for high LSAT, decent GPA students. Even Chicago is like 70% with those numbers. It seems like Penn will ding most people with a >170 LSAT and <3.9 GPA combination.

lmao a 3.8 is fantastic, get yourself a 175+ and you are a lock almost everywhere plus named schollys. I'm a total splitter (not super but splitter) so I have to rely on softs, we and the likes. I think Penn wants people to commit and not just flake, they are effectively the middle children of LS admissions.

if you write a why Penn and have some specific LoRs they'd take you. it's all about selling yourself.

Yeah I could see that being true. Doesn't Penn almost seem reverse-splitter friendly? They accepted a 4.0, 161 (non-URM) this year which is pretty interesting.

Yeah, like I said, 3.8 is solid but it seems that named schollys at CCN go to 3.9x, 173+ students.

The frustrating thing for someone in my position is that I am below 75th GPA at every school, and at best, I can match or get .01 above 75th at Columbia and Cornell (3.81). So, for example, a 3.8/175 might not be as good at MVPDN as a 3.9x, 171 (which is above 75th LSAT at all schools outside the T6).
It is actually a tough place to be in for someone who is trying to maximize scholarship opportunities because a 3.8 with a 172+ LSAT will not necessarily get big T6 money and could also get YP at MVP, which puts someone in a weird position and hurts your ability to negotiate schollys
(Yes I've totally overanalyzed this, but do correct me if I'm wrong in my analysis)

[Anon-e-miss]

It appears that Columbia is to the LSAT what Chicago is to GPA.

Columbia's 25th GPA is only a 3.56 and Chicago's 25th LSAT is only a 166. NYU is sort of in the middle in that they have better GPA numbers than Columbia but worse LSAT numbers than most peers.

[Alexandros]

Just curious why you predict a WL at Chicago and an acceptance at Penn? Most LSN profiles I've seen that get Columbia and NYU (usually requiring 170+ LSAT) either get Chicago and Penn, Chicago acceptance and Penn WL, or both WL.

Chicago obviously prefers a stronger GPA:LSAT ratio than Columbia and NYU, but Penn seems to be the same (with the added issue of YP, of which they seem to be the worst offender)

You said it perfectly with chi loving the GPA. Mine isn't great but virtually everything else is (barring lsat and I don't mean to sound arrogant) a Penn acceptance is more likely than chi but less likely than Columbia. plus lsn pegs me better at Penn by a large margin.

Still I'm going to be dinged at HYS.

That is really interesting. I have a solid (not great) GPA in terms of T14 (~3.8, +/-.02 depending on how my last semester goes), but mylsn.info has me at a much higher chance for Columbia/NYU with a 172-174 (not that I will necessarily score that high; just using it as a reference point since it is possible) while my chances at Penn are 26% lol. Idk what your GPA is but Penn is pretty unfriendly for high LSAT, decent GPA students. Even Chicago is like 70% with those numbers. It seems like Penn will ding most people with a >170 LSAT and <3.9 GPA combination.

lmao a 3.8 is fantastic, get yourself a 175+ and you are a lock almost everywhere plus named schollys. I'm a total splitter (not super but splitter) so I have to rely on softs, we and the likes. I think Penn wants people to commit and not just flake, they are effectively the middle children of LS admissions.

if you write a why Penn and have some specific LoRs they'd take you. it's all about selling yourself.

Yeah I could see that being true. Doesn't Penn almost seem reverse-splitter friendly? They accepted a 4.0, 161 (non-URM) this year which is pretty interesting.

Yeah, like I said, 3.8 is solid but it seems that named schollys at CCN go to 3.9x, 173+ students.

The frustrating thing for someone in my position is that I am below 75th GPA at every school, and at best, I can match or get .01 above 75th at Columbia and Cornell (3.81). So, for example, a 3.8/175 might not be as good at MVPDN as a 3.9x, 171 (which is above 75th LSAT at all schools outside the T6).
It is actually a tough place to be in for someone who is trying to maximize scholarship opportunities because a 3.8 with a 172+ LSAT will not necessarily get big T6 money and could also get YP at MVP, which puts someone in a weird position and hurts your ability to negotiate schollys
(Yes I've totally overanalyzed this, but do correct me if I'm wrong in my analysis)

With a 3.8x, 174/175+ you'll have a shot at a Hamilton, which is basically the best outcome there is. 3.8x's get large schollies all time.
See: http://lawschoolnumbers.com/oxie etc (granted that person had an insanely good cycle but the point still stands.) Shoot for 180.

[oopsu812]

Just curious why you predict a WL at Chicago and an acceptance at Penn? Most LSN profiles I've seen that get Columbia and NYU (usually requiring 170+ LSAT) either get Chicago and Penn, Chicago acceptance and Penn WL, or both WL.

Chicago obviously prefers a stronger GPA:LSAT ratio than Columbia and NYU, but Penn seems to be the same (with the added issue of YP, of which they seem to be the worst offender)

You said it perfectly with chi loving the GPA. Mine isn't great but virtually everything else is (barring lsat and I don't mean to sound arrogant) a Penn acceptance is more likely than chi but less likely than Columbia. plus lsn pegs me better at Penn by a large margin.

Still I'm going to be dinged at HYS.

That is really interesting. I have a solid (not great) GPA in terms of T14 (~3.8, +/-.02 depending on how my last semester goes), but mylsn.info has me at a much higher chance for Columbia/NYU with a 172-174 (not that I will necessarily score that high; just using it as a reference point since it is possible) while my chances at Penn are 26% lol. Idk what your GPA is but Penn is pretty unfriendly for high LSAT, decent GPA students. Even Chicago is like 70% with those numbers. It seems like Penn will ding most people with a >170 LSAT and <3.9 GPA combination.

lmao a 3.8 is fantastic, get yourself a 175+ and you are a lock almost everywhere plus named schollys. I'm a total splitter (not super but splitter) so I have to rely on softs, we and the likes. I think Penn wants people to commit and not just flake, they are effectively the middle children of LS admissions.

if you write a why Penn and have some specific LoRs they'd take you. it's all about selling yourself.

Yeah I could see that being true. Doesn't Penn almost seem reverse-splitter friendly? They accepted a 4.0, 161 (non-URM) this year which is pretty interesting.

Yeah, like I said, 3.8 is solid but it seems that named schollys at CCN go to 3.9x, 173+ students.

The frustrating thing for someone in my position is that I am below 75th GPA at every school, and at best, I can match or get .01 above 75th at Columbia and Cornell (3.81). So, for example, a 3.8/175 might not be as good at MVPDN as a 3.9x, 171 (which is above 75th LSAT at all schools outside the T6).
It is actually a tough place to be in for someone who is trying to maximize scholarship opportunities because a 3.8 with a 172+ LSAT will not necessarily get big T6 money and could also get YP at MVP, which puts someone in a weird position and hurts your ability to negotiate schollys
(Yes I've totally overanalyzed this, but do correct me if I'm wrong in my analysis)

With a 3.8x, 174/175+ you'll have a shot at a Hamilton, which is basically the best outcome there is. 3.8x's get large schollies all time.
See: http://lawschoolnumbers.com/oxie etc (granted that person had an insanely good cycle but the point still stands.) Shoot for 180.

What a cycle, holy shit. I wonder what her softs/WE were.

Also, why am I really into political thought all of a sudden? Ugh.

[Alexandros]

Thank Jesus for podcasts.

[chargers21]

Thank Jesus for podcasts and Stanny

[chargers21]

Will being open about my lack of religiosity be a killer for southern firms?

[dj9i27]

Will being open about my lack of religiosity be a killer for southern firms?

Don't talk about religion, abortion, politics or economics

[Alexandros]

Will being open about my lack of religiosity be a killer for southern firms?

Don't talk about religion, abortion, politics or economics

Tcr

Idk why that would be brought up. if you're presenting yourself correctly they shouldn't have any way of knowing. pretty sure there are laws against discriminating on the basis of religion so if they're not gonna start grilling you about your religious affiliation during an interview.

[chargers21]

Will being open about my lack of religiosity be a killer for southern firms?

Don't talk about religion, abortion, politics or economics

Tcr

Idk why that would be brought up. if you're presenting yourself correctly they shouldn't have any way of knowing. pretty sure there are laws against discriminating on the basis of religion so if they're not gonna start grilling you about your religious affiliation during an interview.

Alright, just making sure. Read somewhere awhile ago about how some people in southern firms discuss where they attend church and how some bonds are made that way with partners, and for me I'd be just have to remain silent

[chargers21]

What are the vibes on omitting work on church/state separation stuff if you're going into a conservative environment?

[Alexandros]

Will being open about my lack of religiosity be a killer for southern firms?

Don't talk about religion, abortion, politics or economics

Tcr

Idk why that would be brought up. if you're presenting yourself correctly they shouldn't have any way of knowing. pretty sure there are laws against discriminating on the basis of religion so if they're not gonna start grilling you about your religious affiliation during an interview.

Alright, just making sure. Read somewhere awhile ago about how some people in southern firms discuss where they attend church and how some bonds are made that way with partners, and for me I'd be just have to remain silent

Ah thought you were talking about getting a position (interviews and stuff). But yeah I would just avoid the discussion.

[Alexandros]

What are the vibes on omitting work on church/state separation stuff if you're going into a conservative environment?

What kind of work?

If it's volunteer stuff, like casual involvement in a group/organization, I would omit if you think it's controversial; you won't have room for everything like on your resume anyways. major work experience a different question.

[chargers21]

What are the vibes on omitting work on church/state separation stuff if you're going into a conservative environment?

What kind of work?

If it's volunteer stuff, like casual involvement in a group/organization, I would omit if you think it's controversial; you won't have room for everything like on your resume anyways. major work experience a different question.

I have some prior, non work related involvement that I left off of my applications. If I take the current opportunity, it will be a paid position. It is likely the only paid legal position that I will have available to me for this summer, and I'm not sure if it will be a plus or minus to have it

[34iplaw]

@Chargers - is there a way to downplay it like refer to your work in the context of the larger entity that houses it if such an entity exists?

Thoughts on abbreviations for correspondence with LS... like using CLS or HLS in a LOCI... I tend to lean towards, 'nahhh'

[Alexandros]

What are the vibes on omitting work on church/state separation stuff if you're going into a conservative environment?

What kind of work?

If it's volunteer stuff, like casual involvement in a group/organization, I would omit if you think it's controversial; you won't have room for everything like on your resume anyways. major work experience a different question.

I have some prior, non work related involvement that I left off of my applications. If I take the current opportunity, it will be a paid position. It is likely the only paid legal position that I will have available to me for this summer, and I'm not sure if it will be a plus or minus to have it

Idk but the legal field leans left as a whole, and discriminating against you for that kind of thing is illegal (although it may happen regardless). also idk if some evangelical firm that would discriminate against you for something like that would be somewhere you'd want to work at anyways.

but agree with 34 that I would downplay it if possible.

You might want to ask on the ask a law student/grad forum though.

[dj9i27]

@Chargers - is there a way to downplay it like refer to your work in the context of the larger entity that houses it if such an entity exists?

Thoughts on abbreviations for correspondence with LS... like using CLS or HLS in a LOCI... I tend to lean towards, 'nahhh'

I never abbreviate. shit I won't use words like won't in my writing either instead writing 'would not' out (Maybe don't quote). as you can see, I am riddled with hypocrisy in forum speak.

[Alexandros]

@Chargers - is there a way to downplay it like refer to your work in the context of the larger entity that houses it if such an entity exists?

Thoughts on abbreviations for correspondence with LS... like using CLS or HLS in a LOCI... I tend to lean towards, 'nahhh'

(Maybe don't quote). as you can see, I am riddled with hypocrisy in forum speak.

dude same. I feel like it makes my writing really distinctive and maybe choppy but I can't break the habit. I think someone told me not to do that in 5th grade English once and it just stuck.