June 2016 - Waiter's (+170 or bust) GRAY DAY HAS AWOKEN FROM ITS SLUMBER Forum

[dodint]

Oh. Then my understanding was completely wrong. My apologies.

I hadn't put a ton of thought until scoring. Until now.

[footballlax55]

God I'm so paranoid that I did the games too shoddily and messed up a conditional rule because I was going SO fast. Not in terms of solving, but like writing hypotheticals. I know there is no point in thinking of it I just need to manage expectations

I feel the same way. LG was my first section and I was so nervous during the first game. It felt easy, but I can't shake the feeling I missed some inference and messed the entire thing up.

Maybe I'm so used to naturally doing it, but I didn't even look for big inferences. My teacher taught us this weird brute forcing method, so I've learned to combine the two. However I'm scared about the long game three...like I ALWAYS check my diagram of the rules before continuing, but sometimes if it's a conditional, I'll write if in front, and sometimes I don't and I just don't know I wish I could just check with someone to make sure I had the rule right. I couldn't have gotten all the answers while missing a rule right? I confirm that the other ones are wrong...

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by " I couldn't have gotten all the answers while missing a rule right? I confirm that the other ones are wrong...", but if you're asking if it's possible to have thought you got all the answers right, as in you didn't have any where there were two different seemingly plausible answers, then you should just relax. It's possible you could have missed/messed up a rule and then still have thought you answered everything correctly but actually got like 1 wrong. But since you confirmed your answers (i.e. you saw that B worked, but then kept going and ruled out A,C,D,E), then you're most likely fine.

I think maybe one or two times during PTs I messed up a rule and didnt notice it and I had actually gotten one wrong, but I don't know if I had ruled out all the other answer choices.

And even if you did somehow completely mess up a rule, you probably got no more than a question wrong. They usually don't structure the questions so that one little mess up completely tanks the entire game.

[dodint]

Four people have been banned in this thread so far.

Cracks me up because the test will be published eventually, not worth losing your account over.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Anybody take at New York Law School- I am taking it there in September and am curious as how your test day experience may have gone there?

[Lnm013]

What do y'all mean by -12 for the curve? Does that mean that they take however many you answered correctly and add 12 to it then use the score conversion chart? I don't understand the " - " part of it.

Think of it as Total Test Questions minus the Curve. Then the scale starts there.

101-12, or whatever.

To clarify, the -x is how many it takes to get a 170

So let's say the four scored sections total 101 questions. And I answer 86 of them right, meaning 15 are wrong. The conversion number I would use to get the LSAT score would be what?

[lawpro82]

What do y'all mean by -12 for the curve? Does that mean that they take however many you answered correctly and add 12 to it then use the score conversion chart? I don't understand the " - " part of it.

Think of it as Total Test Questions minus the Curve. Then the scale starts there.

101-12, or whatever.

To clarify, the -x is how many it takes to get a 170

So let's say the four scored sections total 101 questions. And I answer 86 of them right, meaning 15 are wrong. The conversion number I would use to get the LSAT score would be what?

I think you're around 167-168 with that score...97-98 percentile

[Keilz]

What do y'all mean by -12 for the curve? Does that mean that they take however many you answered correctly and add 12 to it then use the score conversion chart? I don't understand the " - " part of it.

Think of it as Total Test Questions minus the Curve. Then the scale starts there.

101-12, or whatever.

To clarify, the -x is how many it takes to get a 170

So let's say the four scored sections total 101 questions. And I answer 86 of them right, meaning 15 are wrong. The conversion number I would use to get the LSAT score would be what?

We don't know, the conversion scale is different for each test, and it's published with the scores. People try to guess what the scale would be, and generally they do this by notating what they think the amount wrong will be to get a 170.

[Lnm013]

What do y'all mean by -12 for the curve? Does that mean that they take however many you answered correctly and add 12 to it then use the score conversion chart? I don't understand the " - " part of it.

Think of it as Total Test Questions minus the Curve. Then the scale starts there.

101-12, or whatever.

To clarify, the -x is how many it takes to get a 170

So let's say the four scored sections total 101 questions. And I answer 86 of them right, meaning 15 are wrong. The conversion number I would use to get the LSAT score would be what?

We don't know, the conversion scale is different for each test, and it's published with the scores. People try to guess what the scale would be, and generally they do this by notating what they think the amount wrong will be to get a 170.

Okay I get it now. Thank y'all! I was so confused at first lol.

[ayylmao]

For all of you talking about proctoring being worse at bad schools: I took the test today at a not-so-good college in NJ and had impeccable proctoring during the test, though we checked in late.

I was at brookdale community college and it was great! Way better than seton hall when I took it there

Hey fellow NJer! Montclair State was good.

[CPAlawHopefu]

Easiest LG section ever.

My order was LR-LG-LR-LR-RC.

When I finished the LG section (with 5 minutes to spare), I honestly thought it was an experimental due to how exceptionally easy it was compared to any other PT that I've taken in the past.

I felt RC wasn't all that bad as well - granted, there weren't any abstract passages, I felt all passages were pretty straight forward.

LR was pretty standard too. A few that I had to think about for a while but nothing that blew me away.

Pretty confident that I got 170+ on this one.

[nerdylsat]

Everyone is saying this was the easiest LG and i totally fucked up g3 and had to guess.

Guess its time to get ready for September.

[Keilz]

Everyone is saying this was the easiest LG and i totally fucked up g3 and had to guess.

Guess its time to get ready for September.

I'm just here thinking I wrote a rule down incorrectly...

[footballlax55]

What do y'all mean by -12 for the curve? Does that mean that they take however many you answered correctly and add 12 to it then use the score conversion chart? I don't understand the " - " part of it.

Think of it as Total Test Questions minus the Curve. Then the scale starts there.

101-12, or whatever.

To clarify, the -x is how many it takes to get a 170

So let's say the four scored sections total 101 questions. And I answer 86 of them right, meaning 15 are wrong. The conversion number I would use to get the LSAT score would be what?

Since we won't find out the actual curve until they release the scores, the best we can do is try to predict the curve. This is done by people comparing how difficult they thought it was to the difficulty of past practice tests they took. For instance, if I've taken 30 practice tests and have gotten pretty good at predicting how well I fared and how difficult each test was, then when I take this test and think well it was way easier than average/ slightly easier than average/ harder than average etc, I can sort of map out my prediction of which raw scores will lead to which scaled scores.

Since I think this was about an average difficulty test, and the average curve is -11/-12, I'd place the curve at about -12. From there I can look at past raw score to scaled score conversions for preptests that had a -12 as a 170 and go based off of that for raw scores higher or lower than 89 (-12). If I thought I got about 15 wrong/86 right, I'd predict that that would place my score at about a 167/168 (like lawpro82 said), since traditionally an average difficulty test/ a test with a -12 curve scaled an 86 raw score to a 167 or 168.

People just call the amount of wrong answers allowed to still get a 170 the curve because that's the main goal of most of the people obsessed with the LSAT enough to care about curves etc.

[Giro423]

Does anyone remember an LR question about Homer's Iliad and something about mature/immature trees? I had 3 LR sections so...

Definitely remember the iliad and yes that god damn moth question! I stared at that for quite a bit but I think I was making it harder than it actually was.

That was definitely a weird question, might go down as one of the stranger LR questions I've encountered. I also had three LR

[bzam10]

This is real.

YO HOW'D IT GO!?!?!

Mikey everyone but you got three LR sections, need you to confirm real ones

A real one had voters over 50 (this was my 5th section). Tbh, I can't really remember my 2nd LR section because my mind was getting fucked by 2 RC sections lmao, sorry. If I remember one of the questions from my other LR, I will definitely let you guys know.

I think that was the same as the barking bird question - u remember that?

I need to study what these freaking birds are called now

The birds were called babblers!

[bzam10]

Hi all - just sharing my take.

I had an LR(25) LG LR(26) LR(25) RC.

From what I've been able to gather on multiple threads, the LR26 was real (babblers -> movie producers, I believe). I think the first LR may have been experimental, but I'm not sure. Unfortunately, I can't remember which questions were in each of the LR25's for the life of me...

Test anxiety made me really slow on the first LR and I remember guessing between two answers on a few. The second LR (26) I remember being relatively breezy. Third LR, after the break, I'm afraid I got a little too slow and ended up having to blindly 'D' the last 5... gahh.

LG seemed average, though worried I may have missed some key inferences(?), especially with lamp/vase (G3?). RC was +/- ... CFC's and jury nullification seemed easy (surprisingly! the comp readings have historically not been too kind to me...) -- but Art and Tablets? Wut. Probably expended too much time, but hopefully for a good ROI...

AND - how about that writing sample?? If only it actually counted....

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Finally, my lovely proctor story:
When writing the pledge before the exam, I wrote it in script (as I remember doing in the past), and the proctor casually threw out halfway through, "It needs to be written in print, by the way." Half the room sighed, and some girl asked why, and he said, "The directions state. The pledge must be written verbatim."

So I say, "Verbatim doesn't mean 'in print'..."

"In the past, it has had to be in print. But we'll give you time." So I frustratedly erase it all and rewrite it all in print.

Two minutes later... another proctor: "The pledge must be written in script."

[dietcoke1]

Had 3 LR sections

I felt the first was extremely easy, the second was average and third was more difficult than usual. I can't say with certainty which questions belonged to which section but I remember LR questions on:

mod edit: topics are generally okay but these were really detailed and teetered on the edge of getting into arguments/answers so in an abundance of caution...

also thought RC was awful but then again it was my last section and i was more than ready to be done with the test at that point

[fofo1221]

From reading other posts that were not banned between bans I assume discussing difficulty of questions is ok.

Does anyone feel confident in their answer to the kauna people/ hot coca question?

99.9%, no but potential remove from scoring? lol

Only question on whole test outside of RC and one other LR due to lack of time that I wasn't confident.

[fofo1221]

Unsure, so deleted. Can you say topics of RC Q's?

[Jasperval]

so.... Does anyone know if the spiders and snakes in Guam was a real or experimental question? (and was it in the same section as the world literature question or the one about the bike lanes and buses and avenue?)

I lived on Guam for a couple of years and would have definitely remembered a question like that if I saw it. Pretty sure it was experimental.

[momoyome]

I had two RCs. One of the passages on neutrinos I swear I had done before. It felt so familiar and I'm almost certain I've done it before. Does lsac reuse experimental section questions?

[pretzeltime]

From reading other posts that were not banned between bans I assume discussing difficulty of questions is ok.

Does anyone feel confident in their answer to the kauna people/ hot coca question?

99.9%, no but potential remove from scoring? lol

Only question on whole test outside of RC and one other LR due to lack of time that I wasn't confident.

Yeah, that was a shitty question and truly did not seem to have a super correct answer.

Unless there was something I totally missed.

Can't really discuss more than that as my further comments would pertain to question type, etc....

[Kangaroo_Court]

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[Hennessy]

Hey dumbasses. Stop posting test content. Against the rules. This thread is just for waiting.

[carasrook]

Everyone is saying this was the easiest LG and i totally fucked up g3 and had to guess.

Guess its time to get ready for September.

Exactly what happened to me, I can't stop thinking about it. Sooo mad at myself. LG is definitely always my best section. Idk what happened.