The Official December 2014 Study Group Forum

[mist4bison]

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[nlee10]

Done with reviewing PT 49. wow, most of mistakes careless under time.

[surf]

any opinions on doing timed sections an hour apart from each other then adding score up at end? no patience today to sit through a whole test.

guess it doesn't hurt. good practice ?

[Rigo]

[portmanteaux]

Working on logic games today!
Do you guys actively look to link up conditional rules and create one long linked conditional rule when possible? If so, do you write out each individual rule first and then link them? Or read each rule, think about how it would link to the rest of the elements, and just build the master conditional?

I just finished game 4 of PT 34, and putting all of the rules/contrapositives together was how 7sage made a key inference (that one element in led to another being in and out, so that first element couldn't be in), but I didn't feel too confident in my ability to work out the rules like he did.

[portmanteaux]

any opinions on doing timed sections an hour apart from each other then adding score up at end? no patience today to sit through a whole test.
guess it doesn't hurt. good practice ?

Yeah good practice & better than nothing.

I agree, it can help you with your section pacing.

[Rigo]

[mornincounselor]

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[surf]

Working on logic games today!
Do you guys actively look to link up conditional rules and create one long linked conditional rule when possible? If so, do you write out each individual rule first and then link them? Or read each rule, think about how it would link to the rest of the elements, and just build the master conditional?

I just finished game 4 of PT 34, and putting all of the rules/contrapositives together was how 7sage made a key inference (that one element in led to another being in and out, so that first element couldn't be in), but I didn't feel too confident in my ability to work out the rules like he did.

when I do games I usually lay out each conditional rule and if something catches my eye while halfway through rules I'll link them up in a new chain, but I try to make the inferences after I've written all my rules and then combine rules to make a chain.

[Rigo]

[lawjag2015]

Does this answer your question?

Monday
6:00-7:00 LSAT Review
7:00-8:00 LSAT Review
8:00-9:00 LSAT Review
9:00-10:00 Class
10:00-11:00 Review German
11:00-12:00 Class
12:00-13:00 Lunch
13:00-14:00 GVPT459C (pages 53-64)
14:00-15:00 Why Taiwan Matters (11 pages)
15:00-16:00 Class
16:00-17:00 Class
17:00-18:00 GVPT409M
18:00-19:00 GVPT409M
19:00-20:00 Around the World Film Festival
21:00-22:45 Laqueuer + Colin Shindler

And I'm just an early riser. I love mornings and am so unproductive at night.

Hahaha that's basically what my calendar looks like. We're so type a

Good thought process should lead to good timing, and its not. That's what I mean.

IMO good thought process + lots of practice -> good timing

When I first started LG I had a pretty good thought process but it took me 10 min. for each game. After a while, the inferences come a lot more quickly. Now, I can finish L1 & 2 games in 4-5 mins and L3 & 4 in 6-8 mins. You'll get there, don't worry. It just takes a little time, but once you've got it, you've got it.

Thanks! BTW, awesome that you're wrapping up LG in <28, that's where I need to be. I've always been scared of LG, and so always looked to avoid it....I did practice, but, that attitude does not help. Need to take a full plunge.

[lawjag2015]

Did LR and RC back to back, -0 and -2.

[portmanteaux]

Working on logic games today!
Do you guys actively look to link up conditional rules and create one long linked conditional rule when possible? If so, do you write out each individual rule first and then link them? Or read each rule, think about how it would link to the rest of the elements, and just build the master conditional?

I just finished game 4 of PT 34, and putting all of the rules/contrapositives together was how 7sage made a key inference (that one element in led to another being in and out, so that first element couldn't be in), but I didn't feel too confident in my ability to work out the rules like he did.

when I do games I usually lay out each conditional rule and if something catches my eye while halfway through rules I'll link them up in a new chain, but I try to make the inferences after I've written all my rules and then combine rules to make a chain.

Surf--are you able to finish in time with that method? I like that method because I think it will help eliminate careless mistakes, but I'm worried it will slow me down too much.


Dirigo--Yeah that was a tough one! I think I'll spend some time just practicing writing out/linking rules so I can get faster/more comfortable working with conditional rules.

[surf]

Surf--are you able to finish in time with that method? I like that method because I think it will help eliminate careless mistakes, but I'm worried it will slow me down too much.

yeah I guess it boils down to how quick you are at connecting things up. if there's 5 conditional rules it moves fairly quick while linking a few up! practice helped me speed up on those.

eta - master chains can be super helpful and eliminate wrong answers very quick. so even if it takes some time to put it together (that is if it can indeed go together) I think its worth it.

[WorldsCollide]

Does this answer your question?

Monday
6:00-7:00 LSAT Review
7:00-8:00 LSAT Review
8:00-9:00 LSAT Review
9:00-10:00 Class
10:00-11:00 Review German
11:00-12:00 Class
12:00-13:00 Lunch
13:00-14:00 GVPT459C (pages 53-64)
14:00-15:00 Why Taiwan Matters (11 pages)
15:00-16:00 Class
16:00-17:00 Class
17:00-18:00 GVPT409M
18:00-19:00 GVPT409M
19:00-20:00 Around the World Film Festival
21:00-22:45 Laqueuer + Colin Shindler

And I'm just an early riser. I love mornings and am so unproductive at night.

Hahaha that's basically what my calendar looks like. We're so type a

I love it

Ugh. I'm so tired and not in the mood for any more schoolwork. I can't ;(.

You're doing awesome mornincounselor. Hopefully tomorrow you'll find out that you don't have to prep anymore.

I second this.

[calmtigers]

First practice test since september this morning. PT 51

Snapped my previous best. No experimental with this one though. ~5 minutes left after every section. Took a break instead of going back through RC I likely could have eked out one more point there. Tons of time after LG could have definitely went back to check over all the wrong choices for at least 3 games. Game one was unusual but not difficult, rest of the games were below average difficulty. I think passage 3 was the legal one, no comparative on this test -= I've used all but a few of those tests.

LR 1: -2 (15, 20)
RC: -5 (-1, -1, -2, -1)
LR 2: -0
LG: -1 (-0, -0, -0, -1)

A massive -13 170 curve on this one gets me a 173.

Just curious what'd you find was most helpful in studying for LR?

[mornincounselor]

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[Louis1127]

First practice test since september this morning. PT 51

Snapped my previous best. No experimental with this one though. ~5 minutes left after every section. Took a break instead of going back through RC I likely could have eked out one more point there. Tons of time after LG could have definitely went back to check over all the wrong choices for at least 3 games. Game one was unusual but not difficult, rest of the games were below average difficulty. I think passage 3 was the legal one, no comparative on this test -= I've used all but a few of those tests.

LR 1: -2 (15, 20)
RC: -5 (-1, -1, -2, -1)
LR 2: -0
LG: -1 (-0, -0, -0, -1)

A massive -13 170 curve on this one gets me a 173.

how do u find the motivation 2 study when u dont have ur score

[mornincounselor]

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[Enektal]

First practice test since september this morning. PT 51

Snapped my previous best. No experimental with this one though. ~5 minutes left after every section. Took a break instead of going back through RC I likely could have eked out one more point there. Tons of time after LG could have definitely went back to check over all the wrong choices for at least 3 games. Game one was unusual but not difficult, rest of the games were below average difficulty. I think passage 3 was the legal one, no comparative on this test -= I've used all but a few of those tests.

LR 1: -2 (15, 20)
RC: -5 (-1, -1, -2, -1)
LR 2: -0
LG: -1 (-0, -0, -0, -1)

A massive -13 170 curve on this one gets me a 173.

how do u find the motivation 2 study when u dont have ur score

I went in with the perspective that I would retake most scores. The extra month or two of studying is well worth the value of a higher score. In fact, I think the time spent studying for a retake has a huge return on investment. Each point is thousands and thousands of dollars in admission equity and tens of thousands in projected future earnings.

There's likely no better use of these hours than studying for the retake.

Reading your posts as Litt gives me so much joy. Looks like PT 51 got Litt Up

[Smallville]

If I weren't on my phone there would be a nice "preach" Goff for that counselor lol

[Enektal]

Also, general question for you guys while in the middle of prep - I am working through the Cambridge packets and was wondering how you all used them. For now, I'm drilling a mix of around 20-40 level 1's, 20-40 level 2's, 15-25 level 3's and 5-10 level 4's.

Do most of you take a similar approach, or do you drill all the level 1's before touching subsequent levels?

Thanks

[WorldsCollide]

My Cambridge packet doesn't have levels ;(

[portmanteaux]

Also, general question for you guys while in the middle of prep - I am working through the Cambridge packets and was wondering how you all used them. For now, I'm drilling a mix of around 20-40 level 1's, 20-40 level 2's, 15-25 level 3's and 5-10 level 4's.

Do most of you take a similar approach, or do you drill all the level 1's before touching subsequent levels?

Thanks

I'm going through each question type one at a time, and doing all of questions up to level 1/2 depending on how comfortable I felt with them, then checking my answers and going over what I got wrong before doing the rest. That way, I can see patterns of mistakes and reinforce good habits before I finish the set.

[dasani13]

My Cambridge packet doesn't have levels ;(

Have you checked the last page with the answers?