The Official September 2016 Study Group - WAKE ME UP WHEN SEPTEMBER ENDS Forum

[StopLawying]

So just watched the 7sage Webinar on the importance of skipping and it was absolutely terrific. Really feel like I can improve both my timing and accuracy by learning to skip effectively. How many questions do you guys usually skip in a LR section? Of course when I say skip I mean giving the question a try and if you're having trouble skip and come back to it when you've seen all the questions in the section. I usually have like 6 minutes left to solve the 4 that I skipped. The great part about the skipping strategy is that you're able to get the low hanging fruit and then spend the remaining time on the tough questions.

A second question: For high scorers in LG do you solve the questions in order or solve the local questions first and then answer the global ones?

In order.

And, in answer to your other question - I don't generally finish with 6 min to spare but your approach sounds really good if you do. I usually mark what seems like the most plausible answer and put a mark beside the question to return to it at the end. I usually have about 3 or 4 marked. But I don't generally skip questions completely because I run out of time far too often.

Before I used to just answer the questions in order and the tough questions slowed me down. Like you, I never left a question blank and just took an educated guess for the ones I was unsure about. I never really finished with any time to spare, usually just finished when time was called. I couldn't even go back to double check answers I was unsure about. And my scores for each LR section fluctuated. I averaged -4 per section but sometimes I'd go -1 and others I'd go -6. It was really aggravating.

Now I say to myself I won't spend more than 1:15 the first time seeing a question. If I don't get a good grasp of the stim I skip right away. This approach enables me to have seen every question by like the 28-29 min mark, which is great b/c I don't have to worry about giving up the "easy" points. Then in the remaining amount of time, usually 5/6 min, I tackle the tough questions, usually the curve-breakers. I've so far had a lot of success using this approach and I recommend it to everyone. You develop this internal clock and there's less time pressure.

[proteinshake]

A second question: For high scorers in LG do you solve the questions in order or solve the local questions first and then answer the global ones?

I usually go in order but I ALWAYS go in order from the easiest games to the hardest games.

[Mikey]

Going to redo PT 28 LG in a bit. Went -3 on it earlier, saw my silly mistakes which I caught right off the bat when reviewing the 3 questions since they were so careless, sigh. Going to work on my timing for game 2 since I know that one took me the longest. I did take around 4 mins and 10 seconds for game 1 though ^_^

[20170322]

Constructing all my new drilling packets right now. Excited to get to work.

[Mikey]

A second question: For high scorers in LG do you solve the questions in order or solve the local questions first and then answer the global ones?

I do the same as Protein, I go by easiest to hardest games. So sequencing games are always first for me.

I have been speaking with an attorney on here who is really good at the LSAT, and he has advised towards doing the questions that start with "IF" first. I never used to do this, and since I've started doing it, my timing has gotten slightly better and MBT/MBF/CBT questions that require you to diagram for each A/C, go by faster. With this being said, I still solve for all possibilities if I feel like there will be like 2 or 3 diagrams, but if there's tons of possibilities, then I go with the former.

[StopLawying]

A second question: For high scorers in LG do you solve the questions in order or solve the local questions first and then answer the global ones?

I do the same as Protein, I go by easiest to hardest games. So sequencing games are always first for me.

I have been speaking with an attorney on here who is really good at the LSAT, and he has advised towards doing the questions that start with "IF" first. I never used to do this, and since I've started doing it, my timing has gotten slightly better and MBT/MBF/CBT questions that require you to diagram for each A/C, go by faster. With this being said, I still solve for all possibilities if I feel like there will be like 2 or 3 diagrams, but if there's tons of possibilities, then I go with the former.

Interesting, maybe I'll try experimenting with that method. Thanks!

[proteinshake]

A second question: For high scorers in LG do you solve the questions in order or solve the local questions first and then answer the global ones?

I do the same as Protein, I go by easiest to hardest games. So sequencing games are always first for me.

I have been speaking with an attorney on here who is really good at the LSAT, and he has advised towards doing the questions that start with "IF" first. I never used to do this, and since I've started doing it, my timing has gotten slightly better and MBT/MBF/CBT questions that require you to diagram for each A/C, go by faster. With this being said, I still solve for all possibilities if I feel like there will be like 2 or 3 diagrams, but if there's tons of possibilities, then I go with the former.

Interesting, maybe I'll try experimenting with that method. Thanks!

unless you don't find any games difficult, you're shooting yourself in the foot by not doing games in order of difficulty. get the points you know you can get first, otherwise, you'll spend more time on questions you might not get right and risk missing those that you would have definitely gotten right.

[20170322]

Up until this point, I haven't drilled LR because I haven't needed to. Now, however, it's becoming one of my weaker sections as LG and RC improve. Any tips to drill it without sinking too much time?

[Alexandros]

Went over the test from yesterday - got both of the RCs and LRs right on the second attempt. They were generally pretty tricky questions but I should've gotten them. Went right for the trap in the trick LR question.
Realized I guessed on two of the LG qs and left one blank. So on one hand, 100% accuracy on the ones I answered, on the other hand, 3 guesses/blanks in one game

[tofuspeedstar]

Up until this point, I haven't drilled LR because I haven't needed to. Now, however, it's becoming one of my weaker sections as LG and RC improve. Any tips to drill it without sinking too much time?

Find the question types you're missing the most of and use the cambridge packets!

[20170322]

Up until this point, I haven't drilled LR because I haven't needed to. Now, however, it's becoming one of my weaker sections as LG and RC improve. Any tips to drill it without sinking too much time?

Find the question types you're missing the most of and use the cambridge packets!

It's not a particular type, just a slip up here or there that leads to -1 or -2.

[20170322]

Up until this point, I haven't drilled LR because I haven't needed to. Now, however, it's becoming one of my weaker sections as LG and RC improve. Any tips to drill it without sinking too much time?

Find the question types you're missing the most of and use the cambridge packets!

It's not a particular type, just a slip up here or there that leads to -1 or -2.

I'm considering doing the last 15-25 from old PT's each day, just as a quick refresher.

[34iplaw]

Up until this point, I haven't drilled LR because I haven't needed to. Now, however, it's becoming one of my weaker sections as LG and RC improve. Any tips to drill it without sinking too much time?

Find the question types you're missing the most of and use the cambridge packets!

It's not a particular type, just a slip up here or there that leads to -1 or -2.

You're at that point that it isn't any misunderstanding of how the question types work. It's because you misread an "only" for "the only" or something like that.

Just finished BRing two components of June 2011... didn't realize the other LR I had mostly BRd was the experimental section so I'll get to those later.

LG test -4; BR -0
RC test -10 {ran out of time and just made some really dumb lazy mistakes looking at it now}; BR -2

[tofuspeedstar]

Up until this point, I haven't drilled LR because I haven't needed to. Now, however, it's becoming one of my weaker sections as LG and RC improve. Any tips to drill it without sinking too much time?

Find the question types you're missing the most of and use the cambridge packets!

It's not a particular type, just a slip up here or there that leads to -1 or -2.

Oh, well then in that case I derno cause I'm not at your level I'm still missing 3/4 a section. (Mostly parallel reasoning)

[Alexandros]

A second question: For high scorers in LG do you solve the questions in order or solve the local questions first and then answer the global ones?

I do the same as Protein, I go by easiest to hardest games. So sequencing games are always first for me.

I have been speaking with an attorney on here who is really good at the LSAT, and he has advised towards doing the questions that start with "IF" first. I never used to do this, and since I've started doing it, my timing has gotten slightly better and MBT/MBF/CBT questions that require you to diagram for each A/C, go by faster. With this being said, I still solve for all possibilities if I feel like there will be like 2 or 3 diagrams, but if there's tons of possibilities, then I go with the former.

Interesting, maybe I'll try experimenting with that method. Thanks!

unless you don't find any games difficult, you're shooting yourself in the foot by not doing games in order of difficulty. get the points you know you can get first, otherwise, you'll spend more time on questions you might not get right and risk missing those that you would have definitely gotten right.

It's interesting to see that this is what a lot of people do! I've never tried doing the games in order of difficulty. I think I haven't because - a) I'd find it difficult ID-ing the most easiest / most challenging games without attempting them, as I'm not significantly better or worse at one easily-identifiable type of game. and b) I'd think that the process of reading through all of the games to evaluate the easiest might be a time sink in itself, at least for me? Idk.

[proteinshake]

A second question: For high scorers in LG do you solve the questions in order or solve the local questions first and then answer the global ones?

I do the same as Protein, I go by easiest to hardest games. So sequencing games are always first for me.

I have been speaking with an attorney on here who is really good at the LSAT, and he has advised towards doing the questions that start with "IF" first. I never used to do this, and since I've started doing it, my timing has gotten slightly better and MBT/MBF/CBT questions that require you to diagram for each A/C, go by faster. With this being said, I still solve for all possibilities if I feel like there will be like 2 or 3 diagrams, but if there's tons of possibilities, then I go with the former.

Interesting, maybe I'll try experimenting with that method. Thanks!

unless you don't find any games difficult, you're shooting yourself in the foot by not doing games in order of difficulty. get the points you know you can get first, otherwise, you'll spend more time on questions you might not get right and risk missing those that you would have definitely gotten right.

It's interesting to see that this is what a lot of people do! I've never tried doing the games in order of difficulty. I think I haven't because - a) I'd find it difficult ID-ing the most easiest / most challenging games without attempting them, as I'm not significantly better or worse at one easily-identifiable type of game. and b) I'd think that the process of reading through all of the games to evaluate the easiest might be a time sink in itself, at least for me? Idk.

actually let me clarify. if I read the scenario and know it's going to be a hard game, I move on to the next game. so not necessarily in order of difficulty, but I definitely do the hardest one last.

[Mikey]

A second question: For high scorers in LG do you solve the questions in order or solve the local questions first and then answer the global ones?

I do the same as Protein, I go by easiest to hardest games. So sequencing games are always first for me.

I have been speaking with an attorney on here who is really good at the LSAT, and he has advised towards doing the questions that start with "IF" first. I never used to do this, and since I've started doing it, my timing has gotten slightly better and MBT/MBF/CBT questions that require you to diagram for each A/C, go by faster. With this being said, I still solve for all possibilities if I feel like there will be like 2 or 3 diagrams, but if there's tons of possibilities, then I go with the former.

Interesting, maybe I'll try experimenting with that method. Thanks!

unless you don't find any games difficult, you're shooting yourself in the foot by not doing games in order of difficulty. get the points you know you can get first, otherwise, you'll spend more time on questions you might not get right and risk missing those that you would have definitely gotten right.

It's interesting to see that this is what a lot of people do! I've never tried doing the games in order of difficulty. I think I haven't because - a) I'd find it difficult ID-ing the most easiest / most challenging games without attempting them, as I'm not significantly better or worse at one easily-identifiable type of game. and b) I'd think that the process of reading through all of the games to evaluate the easiest might be a time sink in itself, at least for me? Idk.

actually let me clarify. if I read the scenario and know it's going to be a hard game, I move on to the next game. so not necessarily in order of difficulty, but I definitely do the hardest one last.

Yeah basically what Protein said. Usually I will scan (for like 2 or 3 seconds) the beginning scenario and the first question, and if it seems to be a sequencing/basic linear type game, I'll do that first. The first question that usually is the "acceptable order" question (obviously not always though), can give you a feel for what kind of game it is, if the game has one.

[proteinshake]

pretty much did nothing today. I never feel like doing anything the day after a PT. I also forgot to score the experimental section from yesterday but I did go -0. at this point I feel like I have close to mastery, if not mastery, over LG.

[Alexandros]

A second question: For high scorers in LG do you solve the questions in order or solve the local questions first and then answer the global ones?

I do the same as Protein, I go by easiest to hardest games. So sequencing games are always first for me.

I have been speaking with an attorney on here who is really good at the LSAT, and he has advised towards doing the questions that start with "IF" first. I never used to do this, and since I've started doing it, my timing has gotten slightly better and MBT/MBF/CBT questions that require you to diagram for each A/C, go by faster. With this being said, I still solve for all possibilities if I feel like there will be like 2 or 3 diagrams, but if there's tons of possibilities, then I go with the former.

Interesting, maybe I'll try experimenting with that method. Thanks!

unless you don't find any games difficult, you're shooting yourself in the foot by not doing games in order of difficulty. get the points you know you can get first, otherwise, you'll spend more time on questions you might not get right and risk missing those that you would have definitely gotten right.

It's interesting to see that this is what a lot of people do! I've never tried doing the games in order of difficulty. I think I haven't because - a) I'd find it difficult ID-ing the most easiest / most challenging games without attempting them, as I'm not significantly better or worse at one easily-identifiable type of game. and b) I'd think that the process of reading through all of the games to evaluate the easiest might be a time sink in itself, at least for me? Idk.

actually let me clarify. if I read the scenario and know it's going to be a hard game, I move on to the next game. so not necessarily in order of difficulty, but I definitely do the hardest one last.

Yeah basically what Protein said. Usually I will scan (for like 2 or 3 seconds) the beginning scenario and the first question, and if it seems to be a sequencing/basic linear type game, I'll do that first. The first question that usually is the "acceptable order" question (obviously not always though), can give you a feel for what kind of game it is, if the game has one.

Ahh, I see. Yeah, I could def see skipping a really hard game to save it for the end.

[Alexandros]

pretty much did nothing today. I never feel like doing anything the day after a PT. I also forgot to score the experimental section from yesterday but I did go -0. at this point I feel like I have close to mastery, if not mastery, over LG.

Feel ya. I'm just slogging through these old RC sections to feel like I've done something. I just want advil and a nap rn. -_-

[Mikey]

pretty much did nothing today. I never feel like doing anything the day after a PT. I also forgot to score the experimental section from yesterday but I did go -0. at this point I feel like I have close to mastery, if not mastery, over LG.

Feel ya. I'm just slogging through these old RC sections to feel like I've done something. I just want advil and a nap rn. -_-

bruh i had the illest headache today at my internship, really needed an advil but no one had one, rip.

[Alexandros]

pretty much did nothing today. I never feel like doing anything the day after a PT. I also forgot to score the experimental section from yesterday but I did go -0. at this point I feel like I have close to mastery, if not mastery, over LG.

Feel ya. I'm just slogging through these old RC sections to feel like I've done something. I just want advil and a nap rn. -_-

bruh i had the illest headache today at my internship, really needed an advil but no one had one, rip.

aw man that sucks hard D': I hope you have some headache med now.

tried to start a third RC section and was just like nope. I'm just gonna go close my eyes for a sec, w/e.

[tofuspeedstar]

reattempted game 1 from PT 34 that had tripped me up previously ( I attempted it last Thursday and did nothing LSAT related from Friday-Sunday)

Cut 23 seconds off the time from my first attempt. Still missed 1 (Q5, I carelessly made the board next to the Q hastily, missed on my first attempt initially and got it during BR)

I got 4/5 pre BR and 4/5 still post BR (didn't bother to look at #5 lol)

The one I missed initially on my first attempt (Q7) I got correct initially and didn't need to BR it.


From 10:37 to 10:14. (still over the 8 minute recommended limit by 7Sage, though)

Hooray small improvements! I'll try it again in 2 days.

[mwells56]

In case any of you are feeling unmotivated, not having a great day, or feeling a little burnt out from your studying, just remember that there is a man out there who simulated an entire season of MLB The Show where he replaced every single player with a clone of Bartolo Colon.

http://www.amazinavenue.com/2016/7/13/1 ... olo-colons

The results are as glorious as you want them to be.

[Mikey]

pretty much did nothing today. I never feel like doing anything the day after a PT. I also forgot to score the experimental section from yesterday but I did go -0. at this point I feel like I have close to mastery, if not mastery, over LG.

Feel ya. I'm just slogging through these old RC sections to feel like I've done something. I just want advil and a nap rn. -_-

bruh i had the illest headache today at my internship, really needed an advil but no one had one, rip.

aw man that sucks hard D': I hope you have some headache med now.

tried to start a third RC section and was just like nope. I'm just gonna go close my eyes for a sec, w/e.

Lmao RC blow man, I swear.. if I get an experimental RC again in September, I kid you not, I'll cry. It might be internally, but it will happen.