The Official September 2016 Study Group - WAKE ME UP WHEN SEPTEMBER ENDS Forum

[BlackCanary]

When you're outside studying and a sand storm hits and knocks over your study area. Fun times.

[Barack O'Drama]

When you're outside studying and a sand storm hits and knocks over your study area. Fun times.

Oh man! No bueno... On the west coast I'm guessing?

[34iplaw]

Well, going to try to get back into it. I gave myself a break by practicing learning javascript.

console.log("yolo")

[BlackCanary]

When you're outside studying and a sand storm hits and knocks over your study area. Fun times.

Oh man! No bueno... On the west coast I'm guessing?

MENA, to be incredibly vague.
I'd love to be on the west coast right now... these 115 degree days suck.

[StopLawying]

So just watched the 7sage Webinar on the importance of skipping and it was absolutely terrific. Really feel like I can improve both my timing and accuracy by learning to skip effectively. How many questions do you guys usually skip in a LR section? Of course when I say skip I mean giving the question a try and if you're having trouble skip and come back to it when you've seen all the questions in the section. I usually have like 6 minutes left to solve the 4 that I skipped. The great part about the skipping strategy is that you're able to get the low hanging fruit and then spend the remaining time on the tough questions.

A second question: For high scorers in LG do you solve the questions in order or solve the local questions first and then answer the global ones?

[JGPGH]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but for PT 39-50 is the Manhattan Grouped by Question Type book the only resource? Are there no resources that offer the actual full PT?

[Barack O'Drama]

When you're outside studying and a sand storm hits and knocks over your study area. Fun times.

Oh man! No bueno... On the west coast I'm guessing?

MENA, to be incredibly vague.
I'd love to be on the west coast right now... these 115 degree days suck.

WHOA! I am sure the sand storms are unlike anything I've ever experienced then. I hope you didn't lose any of you pages!

ETA: 115 degrees!

[PhiladelphiaCollins]

Just finished BR for the RC section of PT63,..it took me almost 2 hours Breakdown ended up being

LR1: -4
LG: -8
LR2: -3
RC: -8
Score: 162
B.R.: 169

Obviously not happy at all about going -8 on games which is usually my strongest section but that may be mostly because I went -5 on a single game that absolutely clapped me. If I could get to -3 a piece on each LR section while figuring my shit out on RC and staying consistent with LG I'll be a happy

Supposedly, LR2 was easier, but I ran out of time on RC 1 and not 2?

Honestly, that RC actually really sucked IMO. I felt a lot of the questions had much better sucker choices than usual.

Which game screwed you up? Was it the truck one? I don't know why, but that game just didn't really click for me *that* well.

Do you mean LR1 and 2? I was the opposite, I ran out of time on 2 and not 1 but somehow performed better.

But yeah, that RC was godawful, I really struggled through the magnetite/ocean floor passage, and even the other ones I wasn't hitting immediately. I think I did the final comparative passage in about 5 minutes, which was admittedly pretty easy, I think I went -0 on it.

The truck game absolutely clapped me, yeah. I ended up skipping that one halfway through, going perfect on the stacked balls in <5 and then going back to the trucks. It wasn't actually that tough of a game, but the lack of restrictive rules/inferences to be drawn didn't make it easier.

MUH MAN MUH TWIN.

That was my diagnostic this Saturday...LR 1 I ran out of time on and guessed on four [all wrong guesses] and LR2 I finished and had five minutes left to finish the remaining four questions.

The first game I didn't track time, but I'm certain I finished that game within 3 minutes. Even the rule substitution I got fast... literally my only work on that game was...

HJ*KLM*O*PX*X*
a: L H/P _
t: K P/H _ _ _ _

I wrote nothing else.

Second game was fast, but, for some reason, I second guessed myself on #10 and changed my answer.

3rd game just messed me up... there was one kind of big [seemingly small] that I just didn't get... #6 has to be P or L....it's significant b/c it determines the order of P - S - L and, if P is in 6, forces S into 5.

Game 4 I crushed like you. Much of it I did in my head, as it clicked. Unfortunately, I was a bit cocky and flipped #20...

lol even reviewing g3 I missed that inference even though I ended up getting it (in like 9 minutes) which shows how it gave me a ride. That rule sub was a weird one though, watching the 7sage after I wondered how tf did I get this wrong?!

[StopLawying]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but for PT 39-50 is the Manhattan Grouped by Question Type book the only resource? Are there no resources that offer the actual full PT?

Unfortunately, the only way to buy those full PTs is from third-party sellers on Amazon. I've looked everywhere and can't find anywhere else to purchase. That's why these tests are selling for like $100. Ridiculous if you ask me but I've seen people purchasing them for that price.

[JGPGH]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but for PT 39-50 is the Manhattan Grouped by Question Type book the only resource? Are there no resources that offer the actual full PT?

Unfortunately, the only way to buy those full PTs is from third-party sellers on Amazon. I've looked everywhere and can't find anywhere else to purchase. That's why these tests are selling for like $100. Ridiculous if you ask me but I've seen people purchasing them for that price.

Damn it that is such a pain in the ass. Do you know if the Manhattan book still helpful?

[legallyadog]

So just watched the 7sage Webinar on the importance of skipping and it was absolutely terrific. Really feel like I can improve both my timing and accuracy by learning to skip effectively. How many questions do you guys usually skip in a LR section? Of course when I say skip I mean giving the question a try and if you're having trouble skip and come back to it when you've seen all the questions in the section. I usually have like 6 minutes left to solve the 4 that I skipped. The great part about the skipping strategy is that you're able to get the low hanging fruit and then spend the remaining time on the tough questions.

A second question: For high scorers in LG do you solve the questions in order or solve the local questions first and then answer the global ones?

Unless I've made some really good inferences, I do the "if" questions first. It helps me get a feel for the rules to answer the harder questions like cbt questions. Other than that, I just go through the questions in order.

EDIT: what do you mean by local/global? I don't think I've heard that used with LG before.

[StopLawying]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but for PT 39-50 is the Manhattan Grouped by Question Type book the only resource? Are there no resources that offer the actual full PT?

Unfortunately, the only way to buy those full PTs is from third-party sellers on Amazon. I've looked everywhere and can't find anywhere else to purchase. That's why these tests are selling for like $100. Ridiculous if you ask me but I've seen people purchasing them for that price.

Damn it that is such a pain in the ass. Do you know if the Manhattan book still helpful?

Depends what you're looking for. If you just wanna drill the Manhattan book is perfect, but if you want to utilize these tests as full-length exams the only way to get them whole is to purchase them from Amazon.

[BlackCanary]

WHOA! I am sure the sand storms are unlike anything I've ever experienced then. I hope you didn't lose any of you pages!

ETA: 115 degrees!

Thankfully didn't have any loose pages out there. I would have been a lot worse if I was PTing.

yep. it's the worst. I've taken to sticking my head under the sink (though the water comes out really hot at first so I have to let it run for a bit).
Probably wouldn't be as bad if I didn't have to wear long sleeves / pants all the time.

[StopLawying]

So just watched the 7sage Webinar on the importance of skipping and it was absolutely terrific. Really feel like I can improve both my timing and accuracy by learning to skip effectively. How many questions do you guys usually skip in a LR section? Of course when I say skip I mean giving the question a try and if you're having trouble skip and come back to it when you've seen all the questions in the section. I usually have like 6 minutes left to solve the 4 that I skipped. The great part about the skipping strategy is that you're able to get the low hanging fruit and then spend the remaining time on the tough questions.

A second question: For high scorers in LG do you solve the questions in order or solve the local questions first and then answer the global ones?

Unless I've made some really good inferences, I do the "if" questions first. It helps me get a feel for the rules to answer the harder questions like cbt questions. Other than that, I just go through the questions in order.

EDIT: what do you mean by local/global? I don't think I've heard that used with LG before.

You got it. Local questions are questions that start with "if" or any type of conditional question that requires you to make a new game board. Global questions refers to MBT and CBT questions. The benefit of doing the local questions first is that allows you to use prior work to eliminate or even solve some of the global MBT/CBT questions.

[New_Spice180]

Hey you all I hope you're doing well with studying! I feel like I've hit a wall with logic games. I end up missing inferences or sometimes getting 1-2 wrong, and I really want to hit the point where I'm getting -0 on the logic games section! I'm getting nervous about my goal of getting 175+ by september...

[34iplaw]

Hey you all I hope you're doing well with studying! I feel like I've hit a wall with logic games. I end up missing inferences or sometimes getting 1-2 wrong, and I really want to hit the point where I'm getting -0 on the logic games section! I'm getting nervous about my goal of getting 175+ by september...

I think it is partially important to learn how to handle yourself if you do miss an inference. Your LG is a bit more on point than mine currently, but, for me, that is the really killer thing right now.

I get worked up and nervous if I don't make that first killer deduction.

[Alexandros]

So just watched the 7sage Webinar on the importance of skipping and it was absolutely terrific. Really feel like I can improve both my timing and accuracy by learning to skip effectively. How many questions do you guys usually skip in a LR section? Of course when I say skip I mean giving the question a try and if you're having trouble skip and come back to it when you've seen all the questions in the section. I usually have like 6 minutes left to solve the 4 that I skipped. The great part about the skipping strategy is that you're able to get the low hanging fruit and then spend the remaining time on the tough questions.

A second question: For high scorers in LG do you solve the questions in order or solve the local questions first and then answer the global ones?

In order.

[appind]

Just took a PT.

PT 60
Conditions: Taken around 9am after coffee and a warmup. I don't know why, but my mind was foggy the entire time. Maybe alcohol the night before? Either way, definitely unnerving. 5 sections, stopwatch/analog watch proctored.

LR1: -1
LG: -0
LR2: -2
RC: -3
Raw: 93

Scaled: 175


It's not like I'm disappointed with a 175, but I know I can and should do better.

nice work...

[34iplaw]

Just finished BR for the RC section of PT63,..it took me almost 2 hours Breakdown ended up being

LR1: -4
LG: -8
LR2: -3
RC: -8
Score: 162
B.R.: 169

Obviously not happy at all about going -8 on games which is usually my strongest section but that may be mostly because I went -5 on a single game that absolutely clapped me. If I could get to -3 a piece on each LR section while figuring my shit out on RC and staying consistent with LG I'll be a happy

Supposedly, LR2 was easier, but I ran out of time on RC 1 and not 2?

Honestly, that RC actually really sucked IMO. I felt a lot of the questions had much better sucker choices than usual.

Which game screwed you up? Was it the truck one? I don't know why, but that game just didn't really click for me *that* well.

Do you mean LR1 and 2? I was the opposite, I ran out of time on 2 and not 1 but somehow performed better.

But yeah, that RC was godawful, I really struggled through the magnetite/ocean floor passage, and even the other ones I wasn't hitting immediately. I think I did the final comparative passage in about 5 minutes, which was admittedly pretty easy, I think I went -0 on it.

The truck game absolutely clapped me, yeah. I ended up skipping that one halfway through, going perfect on the stacked balls in <5 and then going back to the trucks. It wasn't actually that tough of a game, but the lack of restrictive rules/inferences to be drawn didn't make it easier.

MUH MAN MUH TWIN.

That was my diagnostic this Saturday...LR 1 I ran out of time on and guessed on four [all wrong guesses] and LR2 I finished and had five minutes left to finish the remaining four questions.

The first game I didn't track time, but I'm certain I finished that game within 3 minutes. Even the rule substitution I got fast... literally my only work on that game was...

HJ*KLM*O*PX*X*
a: L H/P _
t: K P/H _ _ _ _

I wrote nothing else.

Second game was fast, but, for some reason, I second guessed myself on #10 and changed my answer.

3rd game just messed me up... there was one kind of big [seemingly small] that I just didn't get... #6 has to be P or L....it's significant b/c it determines the order of P - S - L and, if P is in 6, forces S into 5.

Game 4 I crushed like you. Much of it I did in my head, as it clicked. Unfortunately, I was a bit cocky and flipped #20...

lol even reviewing g3 I missed that inference even though I ended up getting it (in like 9 minutes) which shows how it gave me a ride. That rule sub was a weird one though, watching the 7sage after I wondered how tf did I get this wrong?!

Yeah... those LG was weird. Everyone in the class was complaining about the 4th game, but that one I did in a few minutes in my head. I'm not sure why, some of those like limited grouping games just click in my head really fast. Granted, that game I think has like only four possible outcomes. It's the more open ended games I need to like work on / not freak out over.

[Alexandros]

Going to do a heavy RC day today, hopefully do some photocopying, and work on some of those more recent LGs.
Also (finally) going to go over the PT from yesterday and see where I went wrong. The second LR section I finished with like 7 minutes to spare but went -2. Those lost marks should've been easily avoidable.

[34iplaw]

So just watched the 7sage Webinar on the importance of skipping and it was absolutely terrific. Really feel like I can improve both my timing and accuracy by learning to skip effectively. How many questions do you guys usually skip in a LR section? Of course when I say skip I mean giving the question a try and if you're having trouble skip and come back to it when you've seen all the questions in the section. I usually have like 6 minutes left to solve the 4 that I skipped. The great part about the skipping strategy is that you're able to get the low hanging fruit and then spend the remaining time on the tough questions.

A second question: For high scorers in LG do you solve the questions in order or solve the local questions first and then answer the global ones?

In order.

If you are really stuck, it is worth sometimes just quickly glancing at the last question. Sometimes [not very often at all] they'll have a question that basically tells you the major inference that makes everything super simple. Granted, all logic games are basically formulaic and reskinned versions of the same thing. There really are so many games. I think the key [I'm still working on it] is to get familiar enough that you recognize these game types and their implications.

[legallyadog]

So just watched the 7sage Webinar on the importance of skipping and it was absolutely terrific. Really feel like I can improve both my timing and accuracy by learning to skip effectively. How many questions do you guys usually skip in a LR section? Of course when I say skip I mean giving the question a try and if you're having trouble skip and come back to it when you've seen all the questions in the section. I usually have like 6 minutes left to solve the 4 that I skipped. The great part about the skipping strategy is that you're able to get the low hanging fruit and then spend the remaining time on the tough questions.

A second question: For high scorers in LG do you solve the questions in order or solve the local questions first and then answer the global ones?

Unless I've made some really good inferences, I do the "if" questions first. It helps me get a feel for the rules to answer the harder questions like cbt questions. Other than that, I just go through the questions in order.

EDIT: what do you mean by local/global? I don't think I've heard that used with LG before.

You got it. Local questions are questions that start with "if" or any type of conditional question that requires you to make a new game board. Global questions refers to MBT and CBT questions. The benefit of doing the local questions first is that allows you to use prior work to eliminate or even solve some of the global MBT/CBT questions.

Answered my own question
But yeah I agree with you. It's hard when there really aren't any "if" questions though and that's when I know there's usually some big inferences that I can find.

[YupSports]

Hey you all I hope you're doing well with studying! I feel like I've hit a wall with logic games. I end up missing inferences or sometimes getting 1-2 wrong, and I really want to hit the point where I'm getting -0 on the logic games section! I'm getting nervous about my goal of getting 175+ by september...

I think it is partially important to learn how to handle yourself if you do miss an inference. Your LG is a bit more on point than mine currently, but, for me, that is the really killer thing right now.

I get worked up and nervous if I don't make that first killer deduction.

No joke here, I will tell myself (see: lie to myself) there is no big deduction and this is a "time-sucker" game (even if that isn't true).

The lie gets my head out of panic mode and at least answering questions.

[Alexandros]

So just watched the 7sage Webinar on the importance of skipping and it was absolutely terrific. Really feel like I can improve both my timing and accuracy by learning to skip effectively. How many questions do you guys usually skip in a LR section? Of course when I say skip I mean giving the question a try and if you're having trouble skip and come back to it when you've seen all the questions in the section. I usually have like 6 minutes left to solve the 4 that I skipped. The great part about the skipping strategy is that you're able to get the low hanging fruit and then spend the remaining time on the tough questions.

A second question: For high scorers in LG do you solve the questions in order or solve the local questions first and then answer the global ones?

In order.

And, in answer to your other question - I don't generally finish with 6 min to spare but your approach sounds really good if you do. I usually mark what seems like the most plausible answer and put a mark beside the question to return to it at the end. I usually have about 3 or 4 marked. But I don't generally skip questions completely because I run out of time far too often.

[Rupert Pupkin]

So just watched the 7sage Webinar on the importance of skipping and it was absolutely terrific. Really feel like I can improve both my timing and accuracy by learning to skip effectively. How many questions do you guys usually skip in a LR section? Of course when I say skip I mean giving the question a try and if you're having trouble skip and come back to it when you've seen all the questions in the section. I usually have like 6 minutes left to solve the 4 that I skipped. The great part about the skipping strategy is that you're able to get the low hanging fruit and then spend the remaining time on the tough questions.

A second question: For high scorers in LG do you solve the questions in order or solve the local questions first and then answer the global ones?

In order.

And, in answer to your other question - I don't generally finish with 6 min to spare but your approach sounds really good if you do. I usually mark what seems like the most plausible answer and put a mark beside the question to return to it at the end. I usually have about 3 or 4 marked. But I don't generally skip questions completely because I run out of time far too often.

I usually do the marking too, but if you are truly stuck and not sure of an answer skip it without finalizing and come back to it later. I find sometimes i look at a problem like a dear in the headlights and when I come back to it later, its easy. Sometimes you get in a random test fog. I'd imagine skipping is effective as long as you keep track with how many and make sure you have enough time to come back to them at the end.