real The Official December 2016 Waiters Group - Patience is a Virtue Forum

[Barack O'Drama]

I have a question - for the LR in 7 Sage are you printing out the questions and solving them before you watch the video?

Na... I just do'em on the fly like Deardevil.

Then I do some of the problem sets the same way. I'm saving my Cambridge Packets for drilling during my PT phase. I found that I was wasting a lot of time drilling 70-100 of the same question types out of the packets on top of the problem sets.

[ngogirl12]

I finished reviewing the Parallel Reasoning questions today. YAY! It feels good to move on with the curriculum

For the rest of the evening I'm going to do some LG and review a game that I messed up on earlier this week.

[scalawag]

Thanks I was wasting a lot of time and trees printing all of those out.

[Deardevil]

Drilled PT 17.

-1 in LG (misread "first" for "fourth" #smh), 29 minutes.
-4 in LR (another dumb mistake early on #smh), 34 minutes.
-4 in LR (23 is so weird #smh), 33 minutes.
-13 in RC (can't say I'm surprised #smh), 39 minutes lol.

[Deardevil]

Drilled the seventh.

-2 in LR (this section was so light that I didn't even realize I was done already), 31 minutes.
-4 in LG (last two games caught me off-guard, but goes to show that proper setup is that important), 40 minutes.
-6 in RC (starting to warm up a bit, but still hate the inconsistency), 33 minutes.
-3 in LR (really wanted to choose the correct AC and ultimately went with the wrong one #fml), 34 minutes.

[ngogirl12]

Drilled a bunch of games, messed up on that sports/family used/production new/research cars game, I watched the video and got it right in under 4 minutes!!

I also just finished the Advanced Lawgic lesson, it feels really good to be moving forward!

[Deardevil]

Drilled tenth.

-0 in LR (finally), 29 minutes.
-4 in LG (really don't like these old games), 32 minutes.
-16 in RC (LOL), 32 minutes.
-5 in LR (well, shit), 31 minutes.

[ngogirl12]

Anyone else on here having trouble accessing 7Sage? I tried logging in on both Microsoft Edge and Mozilla and neither are working with my password.. I emailed them already.. :/

[Barack O'Drama]

Anyone else on here having trouble accessing 7Sage? I tried logging in on both Microsoft Edge and Mozilla and neither are working with my password.. I emailed them already.. :/

Mine is working, but sometimes randomly it seems like it has problems with Mozilla. I use Chrome/Safari and it is working. Also, it could be updates... Last time they did them a couple weeks back people were having problems.

[ngogirl12]

Anyone else on here having trouble accessing 7Sage? I tried logging in on both Microsoft Edge and Mozilla and neither are working with my password.. I emailed them already.. :/

Mine is working, but sometimes randomly it seems like it has problems with Mozilla. I use Chrome/Safari and it is working. Also, it could be updates... Last time they did them a couple weeks back people were having problems.

I emailed Dillon and got it sorted out.

[New_Spice180]

Quick question of conditional validity guys. If we know A--->~B and B-->C then it WOULD be illegal to say if A--->~C--->~B? Thanks a bunch for the confirmation.

[Deardevil]

Quick question of conditional validity guys. If we know A--->~B and B-->C then it WOULD be illegal to say if A--->~C--->~B? Thanks a bunch for the confirmation.

Given A -> ~B and B -> C, we can only get ~C -> ~B.
Either A or ~C is sufficient to get ~B, but A and ~C are not related,
and you can't have either be sufficient or necessary without further information.

For example, A is "Fruit Loops," B is "not cereal," and C is "not Frosted Flakes,"
if something is Fruit Loops or Frosted Flakes, then it must be cereal;
makes little sense to say if something is Fruit Loops, then it is Frosted Flakes.

So yes, that is illegal.

[New_Spice180]

Quick question of conditional validity guys. If we know A--->~B and B-->C then it WOULD be illegal to say if A--->~C--->~B? Thanks a bunch for the confirmation.

Given A -> ~B and B -> C, we can only get ~C -> ~B.
Either A or ~C is sufficient to get ~B, but A and ~C are not related,
and you can't have either be sufficient or necessary without further information.

For example, A is "Fruit Loops," B is "not cereal," and C is "not Frosted Flakes,"
if something is Fruit Loops or Frosted Flakes, then it must be cereal;
makes little sense to say if something is Fruit Loops, then it is Frosted Flakes.

So yes, that is illegal.

Much appreciated!

[Deardevil]

Sure thing, Spice!

Drilled PT 12.

-3 in LR (hate missing the first question), 30 minutes.
-3 in LG (the strange game trend continues), 34 minutes.
-13 in RC (what a nightmare), 33 minutes.
-2 in LR (not even a saving grace anymore), 26 minutes.

[Barack O'Drama]

Sure thing, Spice!

Drilled PT 12.

-3 in LR (hate missing the first question), 30 minutes.
-3 in LG (the strange game trend continues), 34 minutes.
-13 in RC (what a nightmare), 33 minutes.
-2 in LR (not even a saving grace anymore), 26 minutes.

Dude, you're killing it! Once you get RC down you're going to be in the 170 range!

What did you use for LR - you seem to be very consistent and fast!?

Also, don't worry you will get RC. It takes a while to get it, but once you do, you're going to be a master!

[Deardevil]

Dude, you're killing it! Once you get RC down you're going to be in the 170 range!

What did you use for LR - you seem to be very consistent and fast!?

Also, don't worry you will get RC. It takes a while to get it, but once you do, you're going to be a master!

I'm convinced RC is my ultimate Achilles tendon lol.

LR just really clicks once I get into the groove of doing one different type of question after another, building confidence as I progress.
Can't say the same for the other sections since a bad read or diagram can ruin that entire set.
Then again, perhaps older LR questions are easier on the whole.
Timing is also more of an issue for LG and RC, especially the latter.
I might have to focus on better accuracy on three passages and partial-wing the last. Oh well; more passages to read, I guess.

[scalawag]

Yea congratulations on going -0 for LR.

I'm about to hit the library. Gotta get through this 7 Sage curriculum. Probably won't PT until I get through it.

[scalawag]

I wanted some opinions on something.

I have maybe 7 classes left so I need one full time semester and one part time to graduate.

After I sit in December I plan to use a retake.

The only question is do I take a part time semester in the Spring and resume studying after a hiatus (sit next September).

The other option would be to take a couple classes and continue studying and sit next June.

I'm kind of leaning towards taking a couple classes and sitting in June so there's not an interruption in my LSAT study.

But I'm interested in opinions on this.

[ngogirl12]

Yea congratulations on going -0 for LR.

I'm about to hit the library. Gotta get through this 7 Sage curriculum. Probably won't PT until I get through it.

I'm doing this. I notice towards the latter half of the curriculum (just finished the harder MBT questions which is after Parallel Reasoning questions) people start taking PT's. However, I don't want to take a PT until I have completed the curriculum so I don't get disillusioned with any holes I may have.

I'm also using the Cambridge sets to drill after doing the respective lesson on 7Sage.

[Barack O'Drama]

Yea congratulations on going -0 for LR.

I'm about to hit the library. Gotta get through this 7 Sage curriculum. Probably won't PT until I get through it.

I'm doing this. I notice towards the latter half of the curriculum (just finished the harder MBT questions which is after Parallel Reasoning questions) people start taking PT's. However, I don't want to take a PT until I have completed the curriculum so I don't get disillusioned with any holes I may have.

I'm also using the Cambridge sets to drill after doing the respective lesson on 7Sage.

How many of the cambridge packet questions do you do after each lesson?

[connordalto]

Hi all,

I am taking the Dec lsat and am currently working my way through the ps bibles and the lsat trainer. I am aiming for -2/3 on my lr sections, but I am consistently missing around -5/6 a section at the moment, whether I am doing a timed section or not. I am especially bad with assumption/str/wkn questions (I know, trainer should have taught me better lol). Any advice on how you beat these question types and got more time efficient? Any advice appreciated! Thanks

[ngogirl12]

Yea congratulations on going -0 for LR.

I'm about to hit the library. Gotta get through this 7 Sage curriculum. Probably won't PT until I get through it.

I'm doing this. I notice towards the latter half of the curriculum (just finished the harder MBT questions which is after Parallel Reasoning questions) people start taking PT's. However, I don't want to take a PT until I have completed the curriculum so I don't get disillusioned with any holes I may have.

I'm also using the Cambridge sets to drill after doing the respective lesson on 7Sage.

How many of the cambridge packet questions do you do after each lesson?

It depends. For RC I do 4 RC from each type, I don't drill RC I do them all untimed. I'm not timing myself for RC or LR until I start taking tests. My mentality is the more of these I see, the more I will recognize patterns, and the faster I will be at these questions/passages.

For LG I see what chapter the LG JY has in the lesson and do that chapter after doing the lesson. I try to do the LG that he does before the lesson, and then I do it the way he does during the lesson, so I make extra copies of the said game. I always drill the game that I didn't get the timing I wanted so 5-8 minutes is my goal depending on how difficult the game is.

For LR, it's a whole different ball game.

For example for MBT and Strengthen/Weaken questions I divided it up to how the lessons were. So for MBT questions I got to divide the question sets over 3-4 different lessons which was nice. For MSS (my achilles heel) I spent a month doing the questions and reviewing them. I didn't want to move forward with the questions/curriculum until I mastered the questions. It was only after doing all the MSS that I began seeing patterns in the question type and noticing that a lot of the same types of questions were recycled but just reworded or asked in different ways.

So what I usually do is take a large number of questions and divide it into question sets. If I have my goal for the day to do 90 questions, I will divide it into 3 sets of 30 questions. Only after I have completed one set will I review it. I used to just watch the videos or try to reason the ones I got correct but didn't feel like writing out each answer choice, but I realized this was the lazy way out. So, recently I started doing every question, and writing them each down. What I usually do is reason on my own first why each one is incorrect and why the correct one is right I write it down in pencil, then I go to the Manhattan boards/or 7Sage videos to validate my reasoning or see if there was something I didn't understand. If I don't like the explanations I ask my virtual study buddy to help me understand them. I have a LR notebook where I have the question cut out pasted, and next to the question I have why each one is wrong or right. I always review these questions before going to bed and first thing in the morning. It is a long process and it has taken me longer than others (because I have read that some got through the curriculum in 1 month whereas I spent 2 months on 1/3 of the curriculum), but I feel confidant when moving on to the next thing that I really have mastered the material and am ready to move on.

So sorry for the really long post. I'm sure you were expecting just a few lines at most, but that is my strategy!

TLDR: I do every question in the set, if the question set is divided up over a series of lessons, then I divide up how many questions I will do per lesson.

[ngogirl12]

Hi all,

I am taking the Dec lsat and am currently working my way through the ps bibles and the lsat trainer. I am aiming for -2/3 on my lr sections, but I am consistently missing around -5/6 a section at the moment, whether I am doing a timed section or not. I am especially bad with assumption/str/wkn questions (I know, trainer should have taught me better lol). Any advice on how you beat these question types and got more time efficient? Any advice appreciated! Thanks

A lot of people recommend the Trainer but I actually prefer 7Sage. I started off with the Manhattan LR Guide (which I think is great!) but 1/3 of my way into the book I discovered 7Sage and decided to go with that. I bought the Trainer book because a lot of people recommended it both here and on 7Sage but I found it was similar and didn't go into as much detail (which is what I wanted!) So, personally I don't really use the Trainer, I plan on using it for the Flaw questions, but I have found 7Sage really helpful. If you don't want to do a course/program and want to rely solely on a book, I recommend the Manhattan book, it goes into detail with how to approach the questions, helps you understand important relationships such as causal and correlations etc.

Even after doing 7Sage and consulting the corresponding chapters in Trainer and Manhattan LR guide, I still had trouble on MSS (Most Strongly Supported/Inference) questions. I found the only thing that really helped me was doing lots and lots of questions and reviewing them. I also have a LR notebook and the section of the MSS questions is a lot. After doing all these questions though and reviewing them I became better at them and recognized patterns.

So my only advice is make sure you understand causal relationships, correlation, weakening/strengthening arguments etc. and do lots of the question type you are missing and review them. Also, I highly recommend you do not take timed sections or tests until you have finished whatever curriculum you are going with Trainer/PowerScore because there may be gaps in your reasoning that will stem from not understanding the question type. I think by doing timed sections you are wasting materials, you should do that only after you have completely understood all aspects of the test. You can purchase PT 1-20/20-40 by question type (its a book of the LR questions separated by question type) on Amazon/Manhattan/PowerScore's website (I forget which company does the books), but I think that will be a more effective study mechanism.

[ngogirl12]

Wow, I write a lot in my posts. I need to tone it down lol.

[Barack O'Drama]

Hi all,

I am taking the Dec lsat and am currently working my way through the ps bibles and the lsat trainer. I am aiming for -2/3 on my lr sections, but I am consistently missing around -5/6 a section at the moment, whether I am doing a timed section or not. I am especially bad with assumption/str/wkn questions (I know, trainer should have taught me better lol). Any advice on how you beat these question types and got more time efficient? Any advice appreciated! Thanks

Just revise those lessons in the LR bible. And definitely review the first chapters on flaws and assumptions in The LSAT Trainer. For str/wkn, remember that you aren't weakening the conclusion; but rather the support for that conclusion. Wrong answers will try to attack the conclusion itself. For assumptions, make sure you can identify the argument core quickly and with precision.