real The Official December 2016 Waiters Group - Patience is a Virtue Forum

[Alexandros]

Engineers pros:

Salary
4 year degree only
Less debt
Easier to get into
Better job market

I have my doubts some days

Some BigLaw partners make like 1.5 million.... Just don't dread the hours.

Yes, I suppose the ceiling is much higher. I don't want to work more than 50 hours a week though.

I just mean, there are so many other things I enjoy doing, and a relationship also takes time.

After 200k (CAD, so like 140 USD), what's the return on my happiness (personally)?

I don't think a mansion and a super nice sports car is going to make me significantly happier than a large house and a bmw.

I could only see myself working a ton of hours if it was more fun than what else I'd do with my time, and I was single. Otherwise I think it's really easy to drift a part in a relationship. I don't really believe in a relationship if I'm only seeing the other person for an hour a day.

(Not aiming for corporate law.)

/sorry slight rant, but just trying to figure things out too.

I know Alexandros and I have had this discussion of BigLaw hours and other opportunities we bought up the idea of Med School compared to LS/BigLaw. Personally, I am 90% LS at this point and 10% Med (dwindling everyday) the way I look at it, Med School has the short end of the stick for a long time in regards to pay and hours. Med is more debt, longer, residency is at least 4 years and you'll make 70grand if you're lucky working hours that make BigLaw look like a walk in the park. Not everyone here is considering these two, but in my case LS is actually the much nicer route opposed to Med.

I'd be okay working bitch hours for a few years to develop a nest egg, I'm single so it is different in my case as well.

(popping in because I see myself mentioned)

Dontsaywhatyoumean - I agree with you completely, and I've struggled with this a lot as well. I am also pretty opposed to a career in corporate law (for that and other reasons) and, if I ended up in biglaw after graduation (which a lot of people do so I realize I probably will), I'd want to have a clear exit strategy. Personally, I'm fairly young and I can't imagine I'd be having a family before 30 anyways. In that sense, I don't see a few years in BigLaw as enormously detrimental to my ability to have a relationship / family life / etc. in the long-term. And, when I consider my unicorn-ish long-term goals, it wouldn't make sense to be deterred by the prospect of having to work crazy, unpleasant hours for a little while - I mean, I don't think anyone goes into law looking for a 9-5 job.

But yeah, I'm with you completely. Also been having second thoughts. I think looking at everything very closely and critically is a good approach when it comes to a decision like this.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Engineers pros:

Salary
4 year degree only
Less debt
Easier to get into
Better job market

I have my doubts some days

Some BigLaw partners make like 1.5 million.... Just don't dread the hours.

Yes, I suppose the ceiling is much higher. I don't want to work more than 50 hours a week though.

I just mean, there are so many other things I enjoy doing, and a relationship also takes time.

After 200k (CAD, so like 140 USD), what's the return on my happiness (personally)?

I don't think a mansion and a super nice sports car is going to make me significantly happier than a large house and a bmw.

I could only see myself working a ton of hours if it was more fun than what else I'd do with my time, and I was single. Otherwise I think it's really easy to drift a part in a relationship. I don't really believe in a relationship if I'm only seeing the other person for an hour a day.

(Not aiming for corporate law.)

/sorry slight rant, but just trying to figure things out too.

From what I've heard, the first few years are going to be a grind when you want to be extremely successful (~300 hr months), but after about 5 yrs or more generally "long-term" the hours are way more natural and traditional where you aren't missing dinner every night and have to work weekends. To me that is totally worth it.

Besides a mansion and hypercars, i believe there is way more to a return on making a salary above 200k than you suggest. 200k in the grand scheme is comfortable but not a lot of money when you have a family. Also, more wealth opens up a lot more freedoms than just material items, like travel ... etc..

I'm not saying if you only desire 200k to be happy you are wrong, because thats personal preference, but just overall from a broad perspective, I wouldn't set that limit of diminishing returns at 200k

Yeah - I mean I'm kind of with you. Then again, my dad didn't have kids until his mid 40s, so I may have a bit of a skewed perception on things where I don't foresee myself having a family for another 15-20 years. It really depends. I'm more than fine (granted, older at this point), trudging through the hours. I guess I have the benefit of having waited now that several friends of mine from UG are getting up there in the associate level at their firms.

Im totally ready to grind haha just something I have accepted.. and the more i grind now, the more flexibility and freedom I will have down the road.

[dontsaywhatyoumean]

Suddenly not feeling great after thinking about more LR questions...

Poison Ivy/Evolution, Alexander's Tomb, Television Station, Trout, Otter (Alabatross? forget which), Cat Food, T Rex, Iguanas, Carbon, Biology Students, Car Dealership, Starlings.

So 12 questions that I can REMEMBER (out of 3 LR sections), that I remember feeling uneasy about. Now, granted, I only felt like I guessed on one of them, but still, I'm wondering now if my confidence in my LR performance was more due to the fact that I didn't feel I was lingering on any questions.

The only question I felt that I lingered on was the very final one of one section, so quite possibly several of the others were just as hard, and I would also have lingered on them had they been the final question, and I was just overconfident after the test? I do remember feeling positive during the test, but that could have still been due to me not lingering.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Oh god, yeah, now that I think about it.... Hmmm... Not feeling so great. I do think I was feeling a bit overconfident due to the quick selection of answer choices.

[cherrygalore]

Suddenly not feeling great after thinking about more LR questions...

Poison Ivy/Evolution, Alexander's Tomb, Television Station, Trout, Otter (Alabatross? forget which), Cat Food, T Rex, Iguanas, Carbon, Biology Students, Car Dealership, Starlings.

So 12 questions that I can REMEMBER (out of 3 LR sections), that I remember feeling uneasy about. Now, granted, I only felt like I guessed on one of them, but still, I'm wondering now if my confidence in my LR performance was more due to the fact that I didn't feel I was lingering on any questions.

The only question I felt that I lingered on was the very final one of one section, so quite possibly several of the others were just as hard, and I would also have lingered on them had they been the final question, and I was just overconfident after the test? I do remember feeling positive during the test, but that could have still been due to me not lingering.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Oh god, yeah, now that I think about it.... Hmmm... Not feeling so great. I do think I was feeling a bit overconfident due to the quick selection of answer choices.

Ugh I know. I woke up with such anxiety this morning about all of it.

[34iplaw]

Suddenly not feeling great after thinking about more LR questions...

Poison Ivy/Evolution, Alexander's Tomb, Television Station, Trout, Otter (Alabatross? forget which), Cat Food, T Rex, Iguanas, Carbon, Biology Students, Car Dealership, Starlings.

So 12 questions that I can REMEMBER (out of 3 LR sections), that I remember feeling uneasy about. Now, granted, I only felt like I guessed on one of them, but still, I'm wondering now if my confidence in my LR performance was more due to the fact that I didn't feel I was lingering on any questions.

The only question I felt that I lingered on was the very final one of one section, so quite possibly several of the others were just as hard, and I would also have lingered on them had they been the final question, and I was just overconfident after the test? I do remember feeling positive during the test, but that could have still been due to me not lingering.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Oh god, yeah, now that I think about it.... Hmmm... Not feeling so great. I do think I was feeling a bit overconfident due to the quick selection of answer choices.

Ugh I know. I woke up with such anxiety this morning about all of it.

Were those heavily weighted in one particular LR? haha.

[wildquest8200]

guys. ugh.

that's all i wanted to say. i hope everyone is having a nice day.

[amta]

i didn't know prompted personal statements were still a thing until i started working on an admissions checklist yesterday.

[Pozzo]

Four weeks, guys.

[+] Spoiler

[Greenteachurro]

Suddenly not feeling great after thinking about more LR questions...

Poison Ivy/Evolution, Alexander's Tomb, Television Station, Trout, Otter (Alabatross? forget which), Cat Food, T Rex, Iguanas, Carbon, Biology Students, Car Dealership, Starlings.

So 12 questions that I can REMEMBER (out of 3 LR sections), that I remember feeling uneasy about. Now, granted, I only felt like I guessed on one of them, but still, I'm wondering now if my confidence in my LR performance was more due to the fact that I didn't feel I was lingering on any questions.

The only question I felt that I lingered on was the very final one of one section, so quite possibly several of the others were just as hard, and I would also have lingered on them had they been the final question, and I was just overconfident after the test? I do remember feeling positive during the test, but that could have still been due to me not lingering.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Oh god, yeah, now that I think about it.... Hmmm... Not feeling so great. I do think I was feeling a bit overconfident due to the quick selection of answer choices.

Yeah left that test thinking it was at least a 171 or 2 and now I'm thinking yeah I probably pulled like 155.

[BobBoblaw]

Guys, baby t-rexeses are totes adorbs...

[dontsaywhatyoumean]

Ugh I know. I woke up with such anxiety this morning about all of it.

Were those heavily weighted in one particular LR? haha.

I'm not sure. Why do you ask?

[Pozzo]

Guys, baby t-rexeses are totes adorbs...

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You're welcome.

[cherrygalore]

Ugh I know. I woke up with such anxiety this morning about all of it.

Were those heavily weighted in one particular LR? haha.

I'm not sure. Why do you ask?

I had 3 LR sections and can't remember which was in which. I felt confident at the time but I keep overthinking which is dumb cause I don't even remember specific questions haha

[dontsaywhatyoumean]

Ugh I know. I woke up with such anxiety this morning about all of it.

Were those heavily weighted in one particular LR? haha.

I'm not sure. Why do you ask?

I had 3 LR sections and can't remember which was in which. I felt confident at the time but I keep overthinking which is dumb cause I don't even remember specific questions haha

Can you not even remember the subject matter?

As in, do any of the questions I mentioned seem familiar?

[alpha kenny body]

Well the OG Sept./Dec. 2014 waiters group had a NYC happy hour during waiting period. Ahem.

Rigo.

ETA - The PWs were real. Lotta cuties. I heard Shak was esp. cute IRL.

We were a wily group. I was the second most handsome guy behind Rigo. Damn that handsome bastard.

I can't place you.

I've had a username change since then. Think tall dark and handsome.

[alpha kenny body]

I really dislike that I was tagged in that large diatribe about LG and the test, specifically after I wanted to not think about or discuss the test. I can tell who did well on RC..

[Pozzo]

My bad

[cherrygalore]

Ugh I know. I woke up with such anxiety this morning about all of it.

Were those heavily weighted in one particular LR? haha.

I'm not sure. Why do you ask?

I had 3 LR sections and can't remember which was in which. I felt confident at the time but I keep overthinking which is dumb cause I don't even remember specific questions haha

Can you not even remember the subject matter?

As in, do any of the questions I mentioned seem familiar?

I remember most of the ones that you listed (poison ivy, tomb, TV, cat food, t rex, biology) and others not so much. My least favorite question by far was the teen drivers. I had NO IDEA on that one and that never happens to me. I was able to eliminate some, but I don't remember which I ended up putting. I'm just stressing because I think my score is tied up in the last 6 questions of games, but then I'm like what if I got all those wrong and every LR I struggled on even a little bit wrong.

[dontsaywhatyoumean]

Ugh I know. I woke up with such anxiety this morning about all of it.

Were those heavily weighted in one particular LR? haha.

I'm not sure. Why do you ask?

I had 3 LR sections and can't remember which was in which. I felt confident at the time but I keep overthinking which is dumb cause I don't even remember specific questions haha

Can you not even remember the subject matter?

As in, do any of the questions I mentioned seem familiar?

I remember most of the ones that you listed (poison ivy, tomb, TV, cat food, t rex, biology) and others not so much. My least favorite question by far was the teen drivers. I had NO IDEA on that one and that never happens to me. I was able to eliminate some, but I don't remember which I ended up putting. I'm just stressing because I think my score is tied up in the last 6 questions of games, but then I'm like what if I got all those wrong and every LR I struggled on even a little bit wrong.

Screw you.

I forgot about teen drivers.

[Capt_Beatty]

Ugh I know. I woke up with such anxiety this morning about all of it.

Were those heavily weighted in one particular LR? haha.

I'm not sure. Why do you ask?

I had 3 LR sections and can't remember which was in which. I felt confident at the time but I keep overthinking which is dumb cause I don't even remember specific questions haha

Can you not even remember the subject matter?

As in, do any of the questions I mentioned seem familiar?

I remember most of the ones that you listed (poison ivy, tomb, TV, cat food, t rex, biology) and others not so much. My least favorite question by far was the teen drivers. I had NO IDEA on that one and that never happens to me. I was able to eliminate some, but I don't remember which I ended up putting. I'm just stressing because I think my score is tied up in the last 6 questions of games, but then I'm like what if I got all those wrong and every LR I struggled on even a little bit wrong.

Retake.

[Capt_Beatty]

Question, I wrote in September and December. Scored a 164 in Sept. and I'm pretty doubtful I did much better this time around. I know I did a lot better on RC and LR in December ( I did LR Questions 10-25/26, and every RC passage, from PT's 31-79), but I fucked on the games. Basically studied weird games, but untimed, so the pressure I felt on Saturday threw me off.

Should I retake in February? or sit out a cycle and study for June/Sept?

[34iplaw]

Ugh I know. I woke up with such anxiety this morning about all of it.

Were those heavily weighted in one particular LR? haha.

I'm not sure. Why do you ask?

I found one LR section much more challenging then the other.

[Pozzo]

Question, I wrote in September and December. Scored a 164 in Sept. and I'm pretty doubtful I did much better this time around. I know I did a lot better on RC and LR in December ( I did LR Questions 10-25/26, and every RC passage, from PT's 31-79), but I fucked on the games. Basically studied weird games, but untimed, so the pressure I felt on Saturday threw me off.

Should I retake in February? or sit out a cycle and study for June/Sept?

What were you scoring on PTs? Unless there were extenuating circumstances that caused you to significantly underperform Sep/Dec, I'd be reluctant to retake again in Feb, especially since it would put you late in the cycle.

[Greenteachurro]

Ugh I know. I woke up with such anxiety this morning about all of it.

Were those heavily weighted in one particular LR? haha.

I'm not sure. Why do you ask?

I found one LR section much more challenging then the other.

yeah the one w/26 questions was way harder. I think like over half of those come from that section alone.

[Capt_Beatty]

Question, I wrote in September and December. Scored a 164 in Sept. and I'm pretty doubtful I did much better this time around. I know I did a lot better on RC and LR in December ( I did LR Questions 10-25/26, and every RC passage, from PT's 31-79), but I fucked on the games. Basically studied weird games, but untimed, so the pressure I felt on Saturday threw me off.

Should I retake in February? or sit out a cycle and study for June/Sept?

What were you scoring on PTs? Unless there were extenuating circumstances that caused you to significantly underperform Sep/Dec, I'd be reluctant to retake again in Feb, especially since it would put you late in the cycle.

Averaging 168-170 for fresh PT's before Dec, and high 170s for retakes.

I think in September I was generally weak in all areas, then in December showed improvement on RC and LR, but didn't have the right approach under stress to lg. Like, I had game 4 figured out before I walked out of the room, and was kicking myself for not following JY's directions (when you're stuck, flesh out the inferences that you can vs. waiting for inspiration).

I know most schools will hold your app if they see a future registration, which would push my decision out to march at least, when most slots are already filled. So that's where I'm stuck, roll with my 164 +/- what I get in Jan., or else.