The Official June 2016 Study Group Forum

[Hennessy]

It's just another PT.
It's just another PT.
It's just another PT.
It's just another PT.
HYPER-VENTILATING.
It's just another PT.
It's just another PT.
It's just another PT.
It's just another PT.
It's just another PT.

[Hennessy]

this is more than my poor little heart can take

[somethingElse]

[pretzeltime]

We're slacking with fun polls in this thread Hopefully the waiters thread has fun ones ;P

I know! The OP disappeared and shirked their duty.

One of y'all better be the one to start the waiter's thread!

(Although I'm promising myself that I won't be on that thang as persistently as I am on this one. At least for most of the waiting period)

[Hennessy]

no goddamnit

[pretzeltime]

I think you're pushing Henny towards mental breakdown but tbh I would rather have pretzels than people coming in being like

WHAT IF MY TESTBOOK CATCHES ON FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????
I HAVE A 150s AVERAGE WILL IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET A 170
ALL OF MY HOPES AND DREAMS WILL BE RUINED IF I DONT NAIL THIS TEST

so like personal pref but keep calm and carry on pretzel posting.

HOWEVER I would like to ask, slightly more on topic, if you as an LSAT veteran have any tasty nuggets of wisdom to offer us about test day or mentality.

Anything???????????? ANYTHING? Might as well right?

[Hennessy]

i created the waiter's thread

[Mikey]

We're slacking with fun polls in this thread Hopefully the waiters thread has fun ones ;P

I know! The OP disappeared and shirked their duty.

One of y'all better be the one to start the waiter's thread!

(Although I'm promising myself that I won't be on that thang as persistently as I am on this one. At least for most of the waiting period)

I can't promise myself that I won't be active in that thread haha

[R. Jeeves]

Because of these pictures, I have been craving a soft pretzel for daysssss now and I haven't gotten one

Same.

There's a local brewery in Boston that has a beer hall attached to its factory and they make pretzels out of...I don't remember what it's called...the leftover grain from after the beer is made.

It's so good. And they have all these gourmet-as-fuck dipping sauces

Maybe I should go there after the test

dude are you talking about Harpoon???? ive done their tour like three times hahaha. Get straight hammered during their 20 min free for all.

their pretzels are DANK

Yeppp! I've only been once, when I had a visitor to Boston. Never have any clue what to do with visitors

And yes I was the shameless person who ruthlessly took advantage of the tasting session

I realized that I like brewery tours minus the actual tour. Kind of DGAF about the beer making process.

So basically, I just like beer.

lololol yeah the actual tour part is boring as hell.

[pretzeltime]

i created the waiter's thread

glad it will be in good hands!!!!!

[pretzeltime]

We're slacking with fun polls in this thread Hopefully the waiters thread has fun ones ;P

I know! The OP disappeared and shirked their duty.

One of y'all better be the one to start the waiter's thread!

(Although I'm promising myself that I won't be on that thang as persistently as I am on this one. At least for most of the waiting period)

I can't promise myself that I won't be active in that thread haha

Realistically, I can't either. But a girl can dream

[somethingElse]

Hmm sure! Most of this might be super obvious though:

1) Get all your shit (ticket, photo, pencils, snack, what time you're leaving, how you're getting to the test center, what you're doing for a warm up) ready to go/figured out the day before. No need to add any stress by figuring stuff like that out last minute.

2) End all studying by like noon the day before. The rest of that day, just chill and do something fun/easy like watch shows. Exercise too.

3) Make sure you get plenty of sleeps.

4) Be fucking confident. Know that you've studied your ass off for this thing and that you will do great. Don't just hope that you will do well, KNOW that you ARE doing well. Also be relaxed and focused.

5) Maybe like today or tomorrow, write up a quick word document with what your various strategies are. Don't make it too crazy (like a page max), but have shit for each level of the test (i.e. overall strategies like what you plan on doing if you get stuck as well as section specific strategies like how you tackle each LR question). It would have been better to write this up like a month ago, so just make it brief and broad, yet still useful.

[dvc5240]

Can anyone explain PT 77 LR1

#14 (why answer is A & not D)
#24 (why answer is A & not E)

[pretzeltime]

Hmm sure! Most of this might be super obvious though:

1) Get all your shit (ticket, photo, pencils, snack, what time you're leaving, how you're getting to the test center, what you're doing for a warm up) ready to go/figured out the day before. No need to add any stress by figuring stuff like that out last minute.

2) End all studying by like noon the day before. The rest of that day, just chill and do something fun/easy like watch shows. Exercise too.

3) Make sure you get plenty of sleeps.

4) Be fucking confident. Know that you've studied your ass off for this thing and that you will do great. Don't just hope that you will do well, KNOW that you ARE doing well.

5) Maybe like today or tomorrow, write up a quick word document with what your various strategies are. Don't make it too crazy (like a page max), but have shit for each level of the test (i.e. overall strategies like what you plan on doing if you get stuck as well as section specific strategies like how you tackle each LR question).

Thanks!! Even when it's obvious I like to hear it. Especially if it's positive.

I think 5 is an interesting one. I should do that. I think I'm also going to flip through the Trainer this weekend to refresh on strategies and soak in his mindset and approach one more time. It's been a while since I've hit that book.

[Mikey]

Hmm sure! Most of this might be super obvious though:

1) Get all your shit (ticket, photo, pencils, snack, what time you're leaving, how you're getting to the test center, what you're doing for a warm up) ready to go/figured out the day before. No need to add any stress by figuring stuff like that out last minute.

2) End all studying by like noon the day before. The rest of that day, just chill and do something fun/easy like watch shows. Exercise too.

3) Make sure you get plenty of sleeps.

4) Be fucking confident. Know that you've studied your ass off for this thing and that you will do great. Don't just hope that you will do well, KNOW that you ARE doing well. Also be relaxed and focused.

5) Maybe like today or tomorrow, write up a quick word document with what your various strategies are. Don't make it too crazy (like a page max), but have shit for each level of the test (i.e. overall strategies like what you plan on doing if you get stuck as well as section specific strategies like how you tackle each LR question). It would have been better to write this up like a month ago, so just make it brief and broad, yet still useful.

Great advice, thanks!

[pretzeltime]

Can anyone explain PT 77 LR1

#14 (why answer is A & not D)
#24 (why answer is A & not E)

are they about pollution and tariffs?

[dvc5240]

Can anyone explain PT 77 LR1

#14 (why answer is A & not D)
#24 (why answer is A & not E)

are they about pollution and tariffs?

yes

[pretzeltime]

so my favorite of the "good luck on your LSAT" emails from shady ass law schools is the one I just got from Charlotte Law. The admissions officer who sent it signed off with this picture.

Seriously??????? A photobooth selfie scenario? Unreal

[pretzeltime]

Can anyone explain PT 77 LR1

#14 (why answer is A & not D)
#24 (why answer is A & not E)

are they about pollution and tariffs?

yes

Okay.

#24:
Choice E is just irrelevant. It doesn't matter what people know compared to what reality is. The argument is about public perception of tariffs and how that perception will effect voting. Maybe tariffs are the best damn thing in the world for the majority of the population; if the population *thinks* that tariffs are negative and votes accordingly, that is what matters to a politician trying to get elected.

For answer choice A, think about single-issue voters or labor unions or farmers associations in elections. Such people are likely to be VERY IMPASSIONED about a single issue (abortion, minimum wage, social security, etc etc) and vote ONLY based on a single issue or narrow cluster of issues. So they are more likely to base their entire vote on 1 issue, in this case tariffs. Maybe they're really organized and can mobilize other voters to do the same.

Compare these people to the general population. Maybe people have mild opinions about tariffs. Maybe they kind of think they're bad but don't really know and don't really care. Tariffs are probably not going to have a massive effect on which politician they vote for.

The argument assumes that proponents of tariffs are not way going to be way more ardent about this issue than the general population.

Does that make sense at all? I got too lazy to refine my explanation further heh...

[dietcoke1]

Can anyone explain PT 77 LR1

#14 (why answer is A & not D)
#24 (why answer is A & not E)

Going to try to take a crack at this.

For number 14, the fallacy appears to be exclusivity. Even though certain companies may not comply with regulations that doesn't mean halting their entire industry is the answer. Perhaps we could educate people on which fish are more likely to have pollutants and to avoid those fish. Or perhaps we could incentivize companies to stop producing those pollutants that are linked to cancer through a tax break.

I assume this is where we get down to answer A and D. The problem I see with D is how broad it is. D never specifies whether the industries that would voluntarily decrease pollutants are the industries that the stimulus refers to or whether the pollutants they would decrease are the ones that the stimulus says are linked to cancer. Maybe industries would voluntarily decrease their pollutants, but if they're not the pollutants linked to cancer it does nothing to help our argument.


For number 24, E I believe is incorrect because it doesn't link to the argument. If people who are hurt by tariffs know they are hurt by them this still has no implications on their voting. You would have to assume that because they know tariffs hurt them that that in turn would reflect in their voting and that would be adding another assumption to the argument. For all we know, they could know that tariffs hurt them and simply not care.

Answer A basically says that supporters of tariffs aren't WAY more likely to let this one tariff policy dictate their vote than are people who are against tariffs. If 51% of people opposed tariffs and 49% of people supported tariffs but those that support tariffs are only going to vote based on that single issue and those that oppose tariffs may choose to consider stances on immigration, healthcare, foreign policy, etc. then the politician who supports tariffs would have a more likely chance at winning. Answer A assures us that isn't the case.


I hope this helps. My reasoning may be a little off but that's how I reasoned those two questions.

[Mikey]

so my favorite of the "good luck on your LSAT" emails from shady ass law schools is the one I just got from Charlotte Law. The admissions officer who sent it signed off with this picture.

Seriously??????? A photobooth selfie scenario? Unreal

I got that same one as well, haha. I've been getting my email blown up by schools all week.

[proteinshake]

I kept getting emails from them for scholarship considerations. I'm just like.... have you SEEN you LST score??!

[dvc5240]

Can anyone explain PT 77 LR1

#14 (why answer is A & not D)
#24 (why answer is A & not E)

Going to try to take a crack at this.

For number 14, the fallacy appears to be exclusivity. Even though certain companies may not comply with regulations that doesn't mean halting their entire industry is the answer. Perhaps we could educate people on which fish are more likely to have pollutants and to avoid those fish. Or perhaps we could incentivize companies to stop producing those pollutants that are linked to cancer through a tax break.

I assume this is where we get down to answer A and D. The problem I see with D is how broad it is. D never specifies whether the industries that would voluntarily decrease pollutants are the industries that the stimulus refers to or whether the pollutants they would decrease are the ones that the stimulus says are linked to cancer. Maybe industries would voluntarily decrease their pollutants, but if they're not the pollutants linked to cancer it does nothing to help our argument.


For number 24, E I believe is incorrect because it doesn't link to the argument. If people who are hurt by tariffs know they are hurt by them this still has no implications on their voting. You would have to assume that because they know tariffs hurt them that that in turn would reflect in their voting and that would be adding another assumption to the argument. For all we know, they could know that tariffs hurt them and simply not care.

Answer A basically says that supporters of tariffs aren't WAY more likely to let this one tariff policy dictate their vote than are people who are against tariffs. If 51% of people opposed tariffs and 49% of people supported tariffs but those that support tariffs are only going to vote based on that single issue and those that oppose tariffs may choose to consider stances on immigration, healthcare, foreign policy, etc. then the politician who supports tariffs would have a more likely chance at winning. Answer A assures us that isn't the case.


I hope this helps. My reasoning may be a little off but that's how I reasoned those two questions.

Thank you!

Okay this makes sense, but for #24 I guess I'm still having trouble seeing how that is necessary... Couldn't the supporters of tariffs still base their vote on the politician's stance on tariffs and the politician still be reelected? Since MOST people still are opponents of the tariffs and would vote for the politician that opposed it. So the politician wouldn't need any votes from the tariff supporters anyway..

I know I'm missing something here! haha I'm sorry please feel free to keep trying to explain this to me

[somewhatferal]

OK, last PT done.

PT 77 (-2 LR, -0 LG, -1 RC), 179.

Total PT Results

Diagnostic: March 22nd, PT 52 (-4 LR, -10 LG, -1 RC), 168

Total 4 or 5 section PT's taken: 21

Mean Score: 176
Median Score: 176
Mode Score: 175

Mean LR Incorrect: -2.1
Median LR Incorrect: -2
Mode LR Incorrect: -1

Mean LG Incorrect: -2.0
Median LG Incorrect: -1
Mode LG Incorrect: -0

Mean RC Incorrect: -1.86
Median RC Incorrect: -2
Mode RC Incorrect: -1

Mean Total Incorrect: -6.0
Median Total Incorrect: -6
Mode Total Incorrect: -6

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My last ten PT's had better numbers than this. Let's hope that translates into a good score on Monday.

Good luck everyone!

[forum_user]

OK, last PT done.

PT 77 (-2 LR, -0 LG, -1 RC), 179.

Total PT Results

Diagnostic: March 22nd, PT 52 (-4 LR, -10 LG, -1 RC), 168

Total 4 or 5 section PT's taken: 21

Mean Score: 176
Median Score: 176
Mode Score: 175

Mean LR Incorrect: -2.1
Median LR Incorrect: -2
Mode LR Incorrect: -1

Mean LG Incorrect: -2.0
Median LG Incorrect: -1
Mode LG Incorrect: -0

Mean RC Incorrect: -1.86
Median RC Incorrect: -2
Mode RC Incorrect: -1

Mean Total Incorrect: -6.0
Median Total Incorrect: -6
Mode Total Incorrect: -6

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My last ten PT's had better numbers than this. Let's hope that translates into a good score on Monday.

Good luck everyone!

Fascinating how your modal individual section scores are substantially different from what your modal score overall would indicate.