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chicharon · Post by **chicharon** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 10:31 pm

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chicharon · Post by **chicharon** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 10:33 pm

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MAPP · Post by **MAPP** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 10:55 pm

chicharon wrote:
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chicharon wrote:Found a doc proposing changes to the ABA 509 report, with the potential changes to take effect in December 2016. Changes = reporting in score/GPA bands instead of 25/50/75 percentile.
Bands? Like score range?
Yes, ranges for both LSAT scores and GPAs.

God that would be a terrible change

chicharon · Post by **chicharon** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:10 pm

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MAPP · Post by **MAPP** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:17 pm

chicharon wrote:
MAPP wrote:
chicharon wrote:
MAPP wrote:
chicharon wrote:Found a doc proposing changes to the ABA 509 report, with the potential changes to take effect in December 2016. Changes = reporting in score/GPA bands instead of 25/50/75 percentile.
Bands? Like score range?
Yes, ranges for both LSAT scores and GPAs.
God that would be a terrible change
Or not. You'd be able to do more detailed calculations on whether you'd get in

If all you have is the range without the 25/50/75 percentiles, there is no calculation that you can perform. It's just a range.

chicharon · Post by **chicharon** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:18 pm

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Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:19 pm

I think the LSAT is a good test, so de-emphasizing it would stink for those who put in the work.

MAPP · Post by **MAPP** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:27 pm

chicharon wrote:
MAPP wrote:
chicharon wrote:
MAPP wrote:
chicharon wrote:
MAPP wrote:
chicharon wrote:Found a doc proposing changes to the ABA 509 report, with the potential changes to take effect in December 2016. Changes = reporting in score/GPA bands instead of 25/50/75 percentile.
Bands? Like score range?
Yes, ranges for both LSAT scores and GPAs.
God that would be a terrible change
Or not. You'd be able to do more detailed calculations on whether you'd get in
If all you have is the range without the 25/50/75 percentiles, there is no calculation that you can perform. It's just a range.
Looks like you can compute that though. Caveat: no idea it will happen: http://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/ ... eckdam.pdf

Ohhh now that I read the ABA report it makes sense. This would definitely make it easier to gauge your chances.

chicharon · Post by **chicharon** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:29 pm

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MAPP · Post by **MAPP** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:33 pm

Rigo wrote:I think the LSAT is a good test, so de-emphasizing it would stink for those who put in the work.

Agreed. But these proposed changes wouldn't necessarily de-emphasize the lsat. School prestige could still be maintained by who has the most enrolled students in a certain range (170+ would still be HYS).

MAPP · Post by **MAPP** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:38 pm

chicharon wrote:Bahaha I didn't explain it very well because it's been a long day and I couldn't put together enough brain cells to relay the memo properly

I feel ya

brain cells are in high demand right now

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:42 pm

MAPP wrote:
Rigo wrote:I think the LSAT is a good test, so de-emphasizing it would stink for those who put in the work.
Agreed. But these proposed changes wouldn't necessarily de-emphasize the lsat. School prestige could still be maintained by who has the most enrolled students in a certain range (170+ would still be HYS).

I just don't see the benefit. (Admittedly haven't read article bc on phone)

MAPP · Post by **MAPP** » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:50 pm

Rigo wrote:
MAPP wrote:
Rigo wrote:I think the LSAT is a good test, so de-emphasizing it would stink for those who put in the work.
Agreed. But these proposed changes wouldn't necessarily de-emphasize the lsat. School prestige could still be maintained by who has the most enrolled students in a certain range (170+ would still be HYS).
I just don't see the benefit. (Admittedly haven't read article bc on phone)

The ABA likes to make elaborate changes that don't have much benefit

(like adding Standard 503-3 then eliminating it a year later).

I really hate that they might cap GPA at 3.68. That would blow

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:02 am

MAPP wrote: I really hate that they might cap GPA at 3.68. That would blow

Yeah wtf

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:03 am

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:03 am

Would mean I only need a 170 though haha

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:07 am

I wonder if this would be separate from rankings or if US News would change their criteria. Definitely something to keep watching, I guess.

MAPP · Post by **MAPP** » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:13 am

Rigo wrote:Would mean I only need a 170 though haha

Yeah, I mean, this should actually be to our benefit (minus the GPA thing)

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:14 am

MAPP wrote:
Rigo wrote:Would mean I only need a 170 though haha
Yeah, I mean, this should actually be to our benefit (minus the GPA thing)

Would make soft more important though which worries me a bit.

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:15 am

I would rather just like like "172/3.9 now slap me with a fully Penn"

MAPP · Post by **MAPP** » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:20 am

Rigo wrote:
MAPP wrote:
Rigo wrote:Would mean I only need a 170 though haha
Yeah, I mean, this should actually be to our benefit (minus the GPA thing)
Would make soft more important though which worries me a bit.

+1

MAPP · Post by **MAPP** » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:22 am

Rigo wrote:I would rather just like like "172/3.9 now slap me with a fully Penn"

How this would affect schools' scholarship offers would be interesting. I'm guessing landing in the 170+ range ABA would establish should still net you $$$$$

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:23 am

*starts trying to cure cancer while climbing Everest*

Rigo · Post by **Rigo** » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:25 am

MAPP wrote:
Rigo wrote:I would rather just like like "172/3.9 now slap me with a fully Penn"
How this would affect schools' scholarship offers would be interesting. I'm guessing landing in the 170+ range ABA would establish should still net you $$$$$

I'd be fine with this new reporting as long as they ALSO still reported 25-50-75, basically keeping the status quo for rankings purposes (and thus keeping schollies somewhat predictable). If ABA wants to know how many 155-159's are in the Harvard class for whatever reason, they can knock themselves out.

MAPP · Post by **MAPP** » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:31 am

Rigo wrote:*starts trying to cure cancer while climbing Everest*

*saves 23 mountain goats and 16 rabbits on the way up mountain and reverses climate change once reaching the top*

Harvard: "ehhh should we let this guy in?"