LSAC settles LSAT Disability Lawsuit Forum

[DELG]

Can the MCAT get extra time?

I would hate to see the Heart Surgeon who needs extra time on the job....

This is just so fucking stupid

If someone shouldn't be trusted with a scalpel we will figure it out

You don't go from MCAT results to the ER

You moron

[jdx2014]

Can the MCAT get extra time?

I would hate to see the Heart Surgeon who needs extra time on the job....

This is just so fucking stupid

If someone shouldn't be trusted with a scalpel we will figure it out

You don't go from MCAT results to the ER

You moron

yes..........because that is exactly what I meant...........you fucking stupid moron

[DELG]

Can the MCAT get extra time?

I would hate to see the Heart Surgeon who needs extra time on the job....

This is just so fucking stupid

If someone shouldn't be trusted with a scalpel we will figure it out

You don't go from MCAT results to the ER

You moron

yes..........because that is exactly what I meant...........you fucking stupid moron

Then how are MCAT and surgery performance even related

No one cares about test scores after you get into school because they have more and better measures

Firms don't ask for LSATs, patients don't ask for MCATs, it's totally stupid to try to link them up

[jdx2014]

I'll let you figure it out
I'll even give you that extra time you are used to getting

[jdx2014]

"Firms don't ask for LSATs, patients don't ask for MCATs, it's totally stupid to try to link them up"


um............wait....................you just did?

[NYSprague]

Can the MCAT get extra time?

I would hate to see the Heart Surgeon who needs extra time on the job....

This is just so fucking stupid

If someone shouldn't be trusted with a scalpel we will figure it out

You don't go from MCAT results to the ER

You moron

Lol.
I still can't fucking believe the LSAC dicked around with paralyzed and vision impaired people and people with severe, painful back and shoulder injuries who could barely write as to what accommodations they should get, not just how much additional time but other stuff too. Does it really make sense to give the quadriplegic time and a half because you don't give double time? Like the guy has to have a scribe, can't hold the book or turn the pages or draw diagrams, but he gets 15 minutes per section maximum.
I know the plaintiffs are cherry picked but the facts are terrible.

[dresden doll]

Can the MCAT get extra time?

I would hate to see the Heart Surgeon who needs extra time on the job....

I'd hate to see a lawyer dumb enough to analogize like this.

[jdx2014]

Can the MCAT get extra time?

I would hate to see the Heart Surgeon who needs extra time on the job....

I'd hate to see a lawyer dumb enough to analogize like this.

I love angering the special ed kids

[Tanicius]

Can the MCAT get extra time?

I would hate to see the Heart Surgeon who needs extra time on the job....

I'd hate to see a lawyer dumb enough to analogize like this.

I don't know, the requirement for a reasonable accomodation under the law definitely seems to be saying that Hellen Keller could easily have been allowed to pilot a passenger plane.

[jdx2014]

Can the MCAT get extra time?

I would hate to see the Heart Surgeon who needs extra time on the job....

I'd hate to see a lawyer dumb enough to analogize like this.

I don't know, the requirement for a reasonable accomodation under the law definitely seems to be saying that Hellen Keller could easily have been allowed to pilot a passenger plane.

I'd pay to watch that show

[dresden doll]

Can the MCAT get extra time?

I would hate to see the Heart Surgeon who needs extra time on the job....

I'd hate to see a lawyer dumb enough to analogize like this.

I love angering the special ed kids

I love that you will be stewing with frustration as those kids get their accommodations. It must suck to live in fear of special ed kids outperforming you on the LSAT.

[jdx2014]

Can the MCAT get extra time?

I would hate to see the Heart Surgeon who needs extra time on the job....

I'd hate to see a lawyer dumb enough to analogize like this.

I love angering the special ed kids

I love that you will be stewing with frustration as those kids get their accommodations. It must suck to live in fear of special ed kids outperforming you on the LSAT.

not really, point to the stew
I see me going both ways just to fan the flames

I refer you to the other spec ed lsat thread where I heated up some aspie on the other end of this last night

and lol at the "you must be jealous or fear me" BS. Yes, yes that is what it is. I fear you traveling back in time and sitting an exam with me that happened half a decade ago. Yes................gawd take the "extra time" to think before you post................

[NYSprague]

not really, point to the stew
I see me going both ways just to fan the flames

I refer you to the other spec ed lsat thread where I heated up some aspie on the other end of this last night

That was the lounge. This is on topic.
I have no ability right now to see the humor in a bunch of disabled people getting screwed over by LSAC because they care more about their psychometrics than the actual people they are supposed to serve. Still MAF.

[jdx2014]

not really, point to the stew
I see me going both ways just to fan the flames

I refer you to the other spec ed lsat thread where I heated up some aspie on the other end of this last night

That was the lounge. This is on topic.
I have no ability right now to see the humor in a bunch of disabled people getting screwed over by LSAC because they care more about their psychometrics than the actual people they are supposed to serve. Still MAF.

I grant you extra time to overcome your lack of ability that you mentioned
but I may flag you-fyi

[Tanicius]

not really, point to the stew
I see me going both ways just to fan the flames

I refer you to the other spec ed lsat thread where I heated up some aspie on the other end of this last night

That was the lounge. This is on topic.
I have no ability right now to see the humor in a bunch of disabled people getting screwed over by LSAC because they care more about their psychometrics than the actual people they are supposed to serve. Still MAF.

I grant you extra time to overcome your lack of ability that you mentioned
but I may flag you-fyi

You're like that kid in 9th grade who was still trying to save his career as class clown with fart jokes. It's not that you're offensive, really -- it's more that we just got bored of elementary school jokes back in, you know, elementary school.

[jdx2014]

Who was I trying to make laugh?


-If you want a fart joke fine...............but its no longer my finger that you need to pull..............

[Clyde Frog]

not really, point to the stew
I see me going both ways just to fan the flames

I refer you to the other spec ed lsat thread where I heated up some aspie on the other end of this last night

That was the lounge. This is on topic.
I have no ability right now to see the humor in a bunch of disabled people getting screwed over by LSAC because they care more about their psychometrics than the actual people they are supposed to serve. Still MAF.

I grant you extra time to overcome your lack of ability that you mentioned
but I may flag you-fyi

You're like that kid in 9th grade who was still trying to save his career as class clown with fart jokes. It's not that you're offensive, really -- it's more that we just got bored of elementary school jokes back in, you know, elementary school.

Pretty sure that fart jokes are still funny. If you can't appreciate fart jokes in 9th grade, or honestly at any age, then you have a lot of growing up to do.

[Holly Golightly]

not really, point to the stew
I see me going both ways just to fan the flames

I refer you to the other spec ed lsat thread where I heated up some aspie on the other end of this last night

That was the lounge. This is on topic.
I have no ability right now to see the humor in a bunch of disabled people getting screwed over by LSAC because they care more about their psychometrics than the actual people they are supposed to serve. Still MAF.

I'm still horrified that so many people are more upset about LSAC making accommodations for disabled people than they are about the fucked up things they've been doing up until now.

[NYSprague]

http://www.clearinghouse.net/detail.php?id=12446

This link has all the filings in the case. The consent decree isn't there yet because it hasn't been signed. Read through the DOJ and plaintiffs filings to find some examples of the people impacted.


The statement of interest filed by DOJ has this pretty great paragraph:
"Though seemingly narrow when examined alone, these testing accommodations provisions are fundamentally civil rights provisions. They provide a web of protections that are intertwined and work together in furtherance of the purpose of the ADA - to eradicate discrimination against individuals with disabilities and to provide equal rights and opportunities for all Americans without regard to their disabilities."

[Onomatopoeia]

http://lsac.org/jd/lsat/accommodated-testing

Lsac still intends to flag scores for those accommodated and given extra time based on the page I linked. I'd be interested to see how the wording changes over the next few weeks and months. It seems like these changes will happen after June 2014

[Tyr]

http://lsac.org/jd/lsat/accommodated-testing

Lsac still intends to flag scores for those accommodated and given extra time based on the page I linked. I'd be interested to see how the wording changes over the next few weeks and months. It seems like these changes will happen after June 2014

I think the information on that page will be out of date after this decree goes into effect. That page reflects the current policy, not the changes.

[NYSprague]

http://lsac.org/jd/lsat/accommodated-testing

Lsac still intends to flag scores for those accommodated and given extra time based on the page I linked. I'd be interested to see how the wording changes over the next few weeks and months. It seems like these changes will happen after June 2014

I think the information on that page will be out of date after this decree goes into effect. That page reflects the current policy, not the changes.

Yes. As soon as the consent decree goes into effect LSAC is permanently enjoined from flagging scores. It only goes forward in time (they won't retroactively remove flags already in place), but I would be surprised if they flag June scores. It seems certain the consent decree will be signed and effective before the scores are released.
Finally got the link to post here again:
--LinkRemoved--.

The permanent injunction is in paragraph 9 titled "permanent injunction on score annotation"

Still MAF. LSAC would have limited the accommodations and flagged the score of Stephen Hawking, had he applied. So hard to know how many people they kept out of law (which in any other circumstances I would be glad to see) or kept from getting better scholarships or gaining admission. At least people who applied for accommodations will be entitled to get some compensation.

[BillsFan9907]

This consent decree is insane. I've read through it in full. I cannot belief they placed no time limits in when one needed to have received accommodated testing on a post-secondary test. So much has changed in terms of the understanding of learning disabilities, but if i can show that I took the SAT with double time in 1980, then according to the consent decree i am entitled to the same accommodation on the lsat.

[NYSprague]

This consent decree is insane. I've read through it in full. I cannot belief they placed no time limits in when one needed to have received accommodated testing on a post-secondary test. So much has changed in terms of the understanding of learning disabilities, but if i can show that I took the SAT with double time in 1980, then according to the consent decree i am entitled to the same accommodation on the lsat.

Is this a serious concern? I can't tell if youre joking. You honestly see this being an issue? DROVES of people with 20 or 30 year old documents are going to be accommodated?

The reason lSAC lost their decision making ability is because they were requiring additional, expensive and unnecessary testing for people who had a lifetime of documentation.

They denied at least hundreds of deserving people over time and even more people who were entitled didn't bother to apply.

[BillsFan9907]

This consent decree is insane. I've read through it in full. I cannot belief they placed no time limits in when one needed to have received accommodated testing on a post-secondary test. So much has changed in terms of the understanding of learning disabilities, but if i can show that I took the SAT with double time in 1980, then according to the consent decree i am entitled to the same accommodation on the lsat.

Is this a serious concern? I can't tell if your joking. You honestly see this being an issue? DROVES of people with 20 or 30 year old documents are going to be accommodated?

The reason lSAC lost their decision making ability is because they were requiring additional, expensive and unnecessary testing for people who had a lifetime of documentation.

They denied at least hundreds of deserving people over time and even more people who were entitled didn't bother to apply.

No, no, no. No concern here. I just find it fascinating, that's all. They really got the book thrown at them.