real The Official December 2016 Waiters Group - Patience is a Virtue Forum

[Shakawkaw]

Well the OG Sept./Dec. 2014 waiters group had a NYC happy hour during waiting period. Ahem.

Rigo.

ETA - The PWs were real. Lotta cuties. I heard Shak was esp. cute IRL.

[theboringest]

sooo. what's everyone doing till scores come out?

Well my last LOR just came in so I'm gonna send out apps with my current score...I honestly don't think I improved on this one so if I did it'll be a nice surprise, if I didn't then I get maybe a tiny boost for coming in before the huge January rush.

im in a similar boat, still going to try to submit before christmas. the last thing i need to decide is if im doing a DS.

Word. I'm hoping to roll out the first wave of apps this weekend.

[amta]

sooo. what's everyone doing till scores come out?

Did some Christmas shopping today. Gonna bake some goods for my family as gifts. Going to review the requirements for the schools in which I'm interested and may write up some school specific letters. Also continue having fun with my skateboarding, photography, and music. The new speedlite I got is awesome and I have a lot to learn with it. Also I want to learn Miroirs by Ravel.

i am going to get my MW2 KDR up. wait, does anyone still play online MW2?

[amta]

Well the OG Sept./Dec. 2014 waiters group had a NYC happy hour during waiting period. Ahem.

Rigo.

ETA - The PWs were real. Lotta cuties. I heard Shak was esp. cute IRL.

im formally challenging

to a waiter of the year cage match!

[Instrumental]

sooo. what's everyone doing till scores come out?

Did some Christmas shopping today. Gonna bake some goods for my family as gifts. Going to review the requirements for the schools in which I'm interested and may write up some school specific letters. Also continue having fun with my skateboarding, photography, and music. The new speedlite I got is awesome and I have a lot to learn with it. Also I want to learn Miroirs by Ravel.

i am going to get my MW2 KDR up. wait, does anyone still play online MW2?

I was always terrible at FPS games online. I had Black Ops and would get wrecked online regularly. lmao.

[amta]

I was always terrible at FPS games online. I had Black Ops and would get wrecked online regularly. lmao.

me too, im an age of empires type of dude.

[Pozzo]

The brew pubs have it.

New poll, plz?

[#gobroncos]

I doubt that 3rd game goes down as one of the hardest, but I will say that the key inference seemed like one of the more complex I've seen on any of the games I've done. A lot of things need to click together in a very small space of time with a weird game 4 looming in the background.

It reminded me of an ordering one from the 60s that involved quickly realizing the places that Y could go, though I can't remember what test that was.

[Greenteachurro]

sooo. what's everyone doing till scores come out?

probably do some school specific statements , and then probably just finish off my final semester of UG in peace and read some books before I start working.

[dontsaywhatyoumean]

Did anyone think that the parallel reasoning type questions on this test were easier than they normally are, and possibly also were less frequent?

[alpha kenny body]

Well the OG Sept./Dec. 2014 waiters group had a NYC happy hour during waiting period. Ahem.

Rigo.

ETA - The PWs were real. Lotta cuties. I heard Shak was esp. cute IRL.

We were a wily group. I was the second most handsome guy behind Rigo. Damn that handsome bastard.

[Pozzo]

Did anyone think that the parallel reasoning type questions on this test were easier than they normally are, and possibly also were less frequent?

Easier, yes. Less frequent, not so much. But I had experimental LR, so that may be coloring my impression.

[chichi1992]

First post here! Retook in December after bombing September. I keep seeing posts (here and on Reddit) that people are predicting a -10 curve. At first, this was making me incredibly anxious. I imagine others felt the same. But after giving it some thought, I feel like these predictions are off-base. Please excuse my rambling, but I wanted to throw this out there...

Back in September, everyone was freaking out about RC. God damn Eileen Grey with her lacquer sculptures and body-conforming chairs. Not one person--even the top top top PT scorers I stalked on TLS--felt comfortable about RC. It was a giant black hole of uncertainty, and nobody even entertained the idea that the curve would be anything worse than -12. (It was -12).

This time, everyone is freaking out about LG. God damn oil paintings and building transfers. But the top top top PT scorers on TLS aren't freaking out. Why? I don't think the games were easy. I think games 3 & 4 were both very unusual. But if someone does well on a LG--they make all the right inferences, the game clicks for them, etc.--they KNOW they did well. It's like math. There is one right answer, and when you know it, you KNOW you know it. When you don't know it, you KNOW you DON'T know it.

The thing is, I bet a lot of the top PT scorers actually did really well on September 2016 RC. But until they got their scores, it was a mystery. The top scorers could join the plebeian scorers and commiserate about not being 100% comfortable with their answers. I do not think this is the case with LG.

While this is, of course, not reflected in forums like TLS, I bet a solid percentage of LSAT takers straight up guessed on the entire last two sections. Like, literally guessed on every. single. question. If you don't understand what a logic game is asking, or completely mess up your set-up, you probably aren't going to do well on any of the questions. In an RC passage, at least you have a shot. You can usually eliminate some obviously incorrect answers, even if it's a tough passage.

I really think the curve will be -12. This test had two difficult games, no difficult reading passages, and an average number of difficult LR questions. September had one difficult game, one difficult reading passage, and an average number of difficult LR questions.

Am I crazy? Maybe I'm just salty because my PT average was 172, and I scored a 165 in September and December isn't looking much better #testanxiety

[34iplaw]

PW in style of the pooches lounging while I work on the laptop

[+] Spoiler

Jeeze...huge picture...apparently.

[dontsaywhatyoumean]

First post here! Retook in December after bombing September. I keep seeing posts (here and on Reddit) that people are predicting a -10 curve. At first, this was making me incredibly anxious. I imagine others felt the same. But after giving it some thought, I feel like these predictions are off-base. Please excuse my rambling, but I wanted to throw this out there...

Back in September, everyone was freaking out about RC. God damn Eileen Grey with her lacquer sculptures and body-conforming chairs. Not one person--even the top top top PT scorers I stalked on TLS--felt comfortable about RC. It was a giant black hole of uncertainty, and nobody even entertained the idea that the curve would be anything worse than -12. (It was -12).

This time, everyone is freaking out about LG. God damn oil paintings and building transfers. But the top top top PT scorers on TLS aren't freaking out. Why? I don't think the games were easy. I think games 3 & 4 were both very unusual. But if someone does well on a LG--they make all the right inferences, the game clicks for them, etc.--they KNOW they did well. It's like math. There is one right answer, and when you know it, you KNOW you know it. When you don't know it, you KNOW you DON'T know it.

The thing is, I bet a lot of the top PT scorers actually did really well on September 2016 RC. But until they got their scores, it was a mystery. The top scorers could join the plebeian scorers and commiserate about not being 100% comfortable with their answers. I do not think this is the case with LG.

While this is, of course, not reflected in forums like TLS, I bet a solid percentage of LSAT takers straight up guessed on the entire last two sections. Like, literally guessed on every. single. question. If you don't understand what a logic game is asking, or completely mess up your set-up, you probably aren't going to do well on any of the questions. In an RC passage, at least you have a shot. You can usually eliminate some obviously incorrect answers, even if it's a tough passage.

I really think the curve will be -12. This test had two difficult games, no difficult reading passages, and an average number of difficult LR questions. September had one difficult game, one difficult reading passage, and an average number of difficult LR questions.

Am I crazy? Maybe I'm just salty because my PT average was 172, and I scored a 165 in September and December isn't looking much better #testanxiety

Haha,

I very well may have gone -1 or -2 or -3 over each LR and RC section, but COMPLETELY guessed on the final two games. Your speculation seems reasonable. I made one relatively large inference on game 3, but was still lost.

I was PT'ing mid to high 160's by the way.

[alpha kenny body]

English Bulldogs are chill AF

[alpha kenny body]

My prediction is the curve will be -11. I'm done talking about the test now. Who's going out this weekend?

[dontsaywhatyoumean]

Does the curve affect scores below 170? I would think so. Does it invariably to the same extent?

For example a curve of -11 on a test with 101 questions, would a 160 always be the same number of wrong questions?

[Pozzo]

My prediction is the curve will be -11. I'm done talking about the test now. Who's going out this weekend?

Weekend? But it's Tuesday... Damn, fips, you got mad chill.

[alpha kenny body]

My prediction is the curve will be -11. I'm done talking about the test now. Who's going out this weekend?

Weekend? But it's Tuesday... Damn, fips, you got mad chill.

I live life everyday like it's the weekend. You should try it. You're young, on pace to get your soul sucked out in law school/post law school, so enjoy it now.

[bearedman8]

First post here! Retook in December after bombing September. I keep seeing posts (here and on Reddit) that people are predicting a -10 curve. At first, this was making me incredibly anxious. I imagine others felt the same. But after giving it some thought, I feel like these predictions are off-base. Please excuse my rambling, but I wanted to throw this out there...

Back in September, everyone was freaking out about RC. God damn Eileen Grey with her lacquer sculptures and body-conforming chairs. Not one person--even the top top top PT scorers I stalked on TLS--felt comfortable about RC. It was a giant black hole of uncertainty, and nobody even entertained the idea that the curve would be anything worse than -12. (It was -12).

This time, everyone is freaking out about LG. God damn oil paintings and building transfers. But the top top top PT scorers on TLS aren't freaking out. Why? I don't think the games were easy. I think games 3 & 4 were both very unusual. But if someone does well on a LG--they make all the right inferences, the game clicks for them, etc.--they KNOW they did well. It's like math. There is one right answer, and when you know it, you KNOW you know it. When you don't know it, you KNOW you DON'T know it.

The thing is, I bet a lot of the top PT scorers actually did really well on September 2016 RC. But until they got their scores, it was a mystery. The top scorers could join the plebeian scorers and commiserate about not being 100% comfortable with their answers. I do not think this is the case with LG.

While this is, of course, not reflected in forums like TLS, I bet a solid percentage of LSAT takers straight up guessed on the entire last two sections. Like, literally guessed on every. single. question. If you don't understand what a logic game is asking, or completely mess up your set-up, you probably aren't going to do well on any of the questions. In an RC passage, at least you have a shot. You can usually eliminate some obviously incorrect answers, even if it's a tough passage.

I really think the curve will be -12. This test had two difficult games, no difficult reading passages, and an average number of difficult LR questions. September had one difficult game, one difficult reading passage, and an average number of difficult LR questions.

Am I crazy? Maybe I'm just salty because my PT average was 172, and I scored a 165 in September and December isn't looking much better #testanxiety

I think that it will be a -10 curve, but perhaps a -11 curve if we're a little lucky. I would love for it to be -12 though!

RC is pretty universally agreed to have been much easier in December than September, and I don't think that LG was really any harder or easier than September's LG. Both viruses and building trading were unusual games, but I don't think that either of them were objectively difficult. Like, viruses was just a modified sequencing game.

Also, I don't think that it's very fair to look at each exam's game 4 in isolation from the rest of the LG section. For December, games 1 and 2 were very standard. I'd also argue that game 3 relied on 1-2 pretty standard inferences that made the game very manageable if you were able to get them quickly. Likewise, September had a very easy game 1 and pretty standard games 2-3. But a lot of people complained about September's games 3+4, and a lot of people are complaining about December's games 3+4.

I personally feel like RC was easy enough overall to more than make up for any difference in games, if one even exists.

But until they got their scores, it was a mystery. The top scorers could join the plebeian scorers and commiserate about not being 100% comfortable with their answers.

Wouldn't this hold for December's RC too, then?

[Pozzo]

Ok, I just went through a bunch of games on 7sage, because my soul has already been sucked out of me. Trying to figure out if there's any precident for game 4. Turns out, nope, there's not. Some of these games had elements that were almost kind of similar, but nothing quite gets close:

PT 2 game 3
PT 9 game 3
PT 10 game 3
PT 11 game 4
PT 12 game 4
PT 16 game 4
PT 68 game 4
PT 72 game 4
PT 77 game 3

[lmnope]

Thanks for all the reassurance guys. I feel that I did really well on the other sections, I suppose it's uncertainty more than anything. Besides, I got an inkling that more than 1 of the answers for the final section were the letter I guessed . Hopefully there is a curve, but not counting on it. IDK if it is just me but all the other sections seem extraordinarily easy compared to other recent test.

I don't think it is just you. I can't distinguish LR and RC from different practices tests like I can the LG; they all just sort of run together. However, I don't think these sets were that difficult.

[chichi1992]

First post here! Retook in December after bombing September. I keep seeing posts (here and on Reddit) that people are predicting a -10 curve. At first, this was making me incredibly anxious. I imagine others felt the same. But after giving it some thought, I feel like these predictions are off-base. Please excuse my rambling, but I wanted to throw this out there...

Back in September, everyone was freaking out about RC. God damn Eileen Grey with her lacquer sculptures and body-conforming chairs. Not one person--even the top top top PT scorers I stalked on TLS--felt comfortable about RC. It was a giant black hole of uncertainty, and nobody even entertained the idea that the curve would be anything worse than -12. (It was -12).

This time, everyone is freaking out about LG. God damn oil paintings and building transfers. But the top top top PT scorers on TLS aren't freaking out. Why? I don't think the games were easy. I think games 3 & 4 were both very unusual. But if someone does well on a LG--they make all the right inferences, the game clicks for them, etc.--they KNOW they did well. It's like math. There is one right answer, and when you know it, you KNOW you know it. When you don't know it, you KNOW you DON'T know it.

The thing is, I bet a lot of the top PT scorers actually did really well on September 2016 RC. But until they got their scores, it was a mystery. The top scorers could join the plebeian scorers and commiserate about not being 100% comfortable with their answers. I do not think this is the case with LG.

While this is, of course, not reflected in forums like TLS, I bet a solid percentage of LSAT takers straight up guessed on the entire last two sections. Like, literally guessed on every. single. question. If you don't understand what a logic game is asking, or completely mess up your set-up, you probably aren't going to do well on any of the questions. In an RC passage, at least you have a shot. You can usually eliminate some obviously incorrect answers, even if it's a tough passage.

I really think the curve will be -12. This test had two difficult games, no difficult reading passages, and an average number of difficult LR questions. September had one difficult game, one difficult reading passage, and an average number of difficult LR questions.

Am I crazy? Maybe I'm just salty because my PT average was 172, and I scored a 165 in September and December isn't looking much better #testanxiety

I think that it will be a -10 curve, but perhaps a -11 curve if we're a little lucky. I would love for it to be -12 though!

RC is pretty universally agreed to have been much easier in December than September, and I don't think that LG was really any harder or easier than September's LG. Both viruses and building trading were unusual games, but I don't think that either of them were objectively difficult. Like, viruses was just a modified sequencing game.

Also, I don't think that it's very fair to look at each exam's game 4 in isolation from the rest of the LG section. For December, games 1 and 2 were very standard. I'd also argue that game 3 relied on 1-2 pretty standard inferences that made the game very manageable if you were able to get them quickly. Likewise, September had a very easy game 1 and pretty standard games 2-3. But a lot of people complained about September's games 3+4, and a lot of people are complaining about December's games 3+4.

I personally feel like RC was easy enough overall to more than make up for any difference in games, if one even exists.

But until they got their scores, it was a mystery. The top scorers could join the plebeian scorers and commiserate about not being 100% comfortable with their answers.

Wouldn't this hold for December's RC too, then?

I hope I'm not, but I could be totally wrong. Basically, all I'm saying is that it's easier to judge your performance on a difficult logic game than on a difficult reading passage. This could make top scorers think a test has an easier curve than it actually might. But hey, I would probably tell myself anything to get through the next four weeks...

Anecdotally, I don't recall anyone complaining about game #3 from September. And I think the difference here is that NOBODY is complaining about December RC 

[Greenteachurro]

First post here! Retook in December after bombing September. I keep seeing posts (here and on Reddit) that people are predicting a -10 curve. At first, this was making me incredibly anxious. I imagine others felt the same. But after giving it some thought, I feel like these predictions are off-base. Please excuse my rambling, but I wanted to throw this out there...

Back in September, everyone was freaking out about RC. God damn Eileen Grey with her lacquer sculptures and body-conforming chairs. Not one person--even the top top top PT scorers I stalked on TLS--felt comfortable about RC. It was a giant black hole of uncertainty, and nobody even entertained the idea that the curve would be anything worse than -12. (It was -12).

This time, everyone is freaking out about LG. God damn oil paintings and building transfers. But the top top top PT scorers on TLS aren't freaking out. Why? I don't think the games were easy. I think games 3 & 4 were both very unusual. But if someone does well on a LG--they make all the right inferences, the game clicks for them, etc.--they KNOW they did well. It's like math. There is one right answer, and when you know it, you KNOW you know it. When you don't know it, you KNOW you DON'T know it.

The thing is, I bet a lot of the top PT scorers actually did really well on September 2016 RC. But until they got their scores, it was a mystery. The top scorers could join the plebeian scorers and commiserate about not being 100% comfortable with their answers. I do not think this is the case with LG.

While this is, of course, not reflected in forums like TLS, I bet a solid percentage of LSAT takers straight up guessed on the entire last two sections. Like, literally guessed on every. single. question. If you don't understand what a logic game is asking, or completely mess up your set-up, you probably aren't going to do well on any of the questions. In an RC passage, at least you have a shot. You can usually eliminate some obviously incorrect answers, even if it's a tough passage.

I really think the curve will be -12. This test had two difficult games, no difficult reading passages, and an average number of difficult LR questions. September had one difficult game, one difficult reading passage, and an average number of difficult LR questions.

Am I crazy? Maybe I'm just salty because my PT average was 172, and I scored a 165 in September and December isn't looking much better #testanxiety

I think that it will be a -10 curve, but perhaps a -11 curve if we're a little lucky. I would love for it to be -12 though!

RC is pretty universally agreed to have been much easier in December than September, and I don't think that LG was really any harder or easier than September's LG. Both viruses and building trading were unusual games, but I don't think that either of them were objectively difficult. Like, viruses was just a modified sequencing game.

Also, I don't think that it's very fair to look at each exam's game 4 in isolation from the rest of the LG section. For December, games 1 and 2 were very standard. I'd also argue that game 3 relied on 1-2 pretty standard inferences that made the game very manageable if you were able to get them quickly. Likewise, September had a very easy game 1 and pretty standard games 2-3. But a lot of people complained about September's games 3+4, and a lot of people are complaining about December's games 3+4.

I personally feel like RC was easy enough overall to more than make up for any difference in games, if one even exists.

But until they got their scores, it was a mystery. The top scorers could join the plebeian scorers and commiserate about not being 100% comfortable with their answers.

Wouldn't this hold for December's RC too, then?

OP's point is that because December's RC was universally considered easy, and September's universally considered difficult, there's more uncertainty with December's RC. Like most people here are probably pretty happy with how they did on RC for this test because it was that easy, last test the RC was much more difficult so there was a lot more uncertainty.

Also, -10 seems harsh, I think its much more likely to be -11. This test felt VERY similar in difficulty to 77.