The Official September 2016 Study Group - WAKE ME UP WHEN SEPTEMBER ENDS Forum

[Alexandros]

I need to be more just OK with admitting that simple games are intended to be easy or build some confidence with that... like...

I had some game I was struggling with, and I see all these hypos I was trying to draw...and they just aren't even close to necessary. Just a simple one rule to be contradicted, and I kind of knew that was the important rule going in [at least one or both rule in a game with 6 slots]...

Anyone ever use numerical distributions as a base? I used the numerical distributions as a base for the December 1992 game with five students. I'm not sure if that was just a unique situation, but the game became so much easier when I changed my board to just...

[+] Spoiler

Pv -> PHRv

3 S/P H R

2 P/S L [m/t]

0

Have yet to watch the 7sage on how they do it.

Account still not restored yet. I'm a bit more than annoyed right now.

Numerical distribution inferences or board splitting at the beginning are one of those inferences I often forget that tend to be extremely useful. I've almost certainly done it but I can't recall the Dec 1992 game you're referring to off the top of my head (there are so many games with students ) but I'm pretty sure using a numerical distribution as a base is something you'll find useful elsewhere.

I hope you can get your account worked out soon. That's really crappy.

It's the Montreal, Vancouver, Toronto one. Yeah it's a bit annoying... I'm trying to get caught up from last weekend and it makes it challenging to say the least.

Oh that game. Totally threw me for a loop first time I tried it. The numbers inference definitely makes it way, way easier.

[Mikey]

Decided to do un-timed RC stuff for a while to get used to 7sage's method. I figured I shouldn't go hard with the timing yet and to just try and get good at RC the same way I got decent at LR and LG.. Un-timed, understanding what I'm doing--> Timed later on

Did 1 RC passage un-timed with 7sage's memory method, thoroughly reviewed it and then watched their explanation. Went 5/7 pre-review.

[tofuspeedstar]

Match the Reasoning. Gughhghg. 15/18. D': Definitely need to revisit these.

Going to go for a jog then hit RC and LG (finally). I'll save the last few MTR for tomorrow.

A little tip that helped me with those (and Parallel flaw as well), is after reading the stim, start eliminating answer choices based on their conclusions. If the stim says all people, but an A/C says some people, then you know what to do There are some really tough questions that this won't work on because they want to be douche bags and make all the conclusions sound the same in wording, but for the majority you should find this somewhat useful! At least I do

This actually helped me a lot. I went through a second problem set of PMR Qs and missed 3/10.

[Alexandros]

Match the Reasoning. Gughhghg. 15/18. D': Definitely need to revisit these.

Going to go for a jog then hit RC and LG (finally). I'll save the last few MTR for tomorrow.

A little tip that helped me with those (and Parallel flaw as well), is after reading the stim, start eliminating answer choices based on their conclusions. If the stim says all people, but an A/C says some people, then you know what to do There are some really tough questions that this won't work on because they want to be douche bags and make all the conclusions sound the same in wording, but for the majority you should find this somewhat useful! At least I do

This actually helped me a lot. I went through a second problem set of PMR Qs and missed 3/10.

I've started underlining the modifiers (some/all, can/should, etc) and that's helping as well.

I have to say MTR / PF questions make really nice exercises - They really require you to completely understand the structure of argument being made (and the flaw, if there is one), in both the stimuli and the answers. I'd think drilling and really mastering those question types would help improve your performance on other question types (ie flaw). I'm trying to get in the habit of understanding the logic or the flaw well enough to be able to reduce it to a sentence, drawing it out if I have to/can, before going to the answers, and then finding an answer that matches it exactly. It's making me realize that I often understand the flaw / reasoning on a very superficial level and simply rely on instinct for far too many questions.

[34iplaw]

I need to be more just OK with admitting that simple games are intended to be easy or build some confidence with that... like...

I had some game I was struggling with, and I see all these hypos I was trying to draw...and they just aren't even close to necessary. Just a simple one rule to be contradicted, and I kind of knew that was the important rule going in [at least one or both rule in a game with 6 slots]...

Anyone ever use numerical distributions as a base? I used the numerical distributions as a base for the December 1992 game with five students. I'm not sure if that was just a unique situation, but the game became so much easier when I changed my board to just...

[+] Spoiler

Pv -> PHRv

3 S/P H R

2 P/S L [m/t]

0

Have yet to watch the 7sage on how they do it.

Account still not restored yet. I'm a bit more than annoyed right now.

Numerical distribution inferences or board splitting at the beginning are one of those inferences I often forget that tend to be extremely useful. I've almost certainly done it but I can't recall the Dec 1992 game you're referring to off the top of my head (there are so many games with students ) but I'm pretty sure using a numerical distribution as a base is something you'll find useful elsewhere.

I hope you can get your account worked out soon. That's really crappy.

It's the Montreal, Vancouver, Toronto one. Yeah it's a bit annoying... I'm trying to get caught up from last weekend and it makes it challenging to say the least.

Oh that game. Totally threw me for a loop first time I tried it. The numbers inference definitely makes it way, way easier.

Yeah ... I think I sort of remembered it a bit as I did it. I definitely have seen it in the past. That said, I definitely had never previously diagrammed it or seen it with the numerical distributions as the base. I think it made it a bit more conceptually easier in my head to understand.

They finally restored my account, so I can get back to LR. I had done the first 30 of the strengthen type questions, but I was a bit worried going into them given how hopeless I felt during the class. 30/30 so far, and I was far more confident in selecting answers on these than other types. I think it's sort a natural extension of weaken questions, so I think that's helping me.

Anywho, I have my battlestation set up in starbucks with the venti skinny iced caramel macchiato with extra espresso... caffeine time.

[20170322]

Just took PT 59. Here are the results.

PT 59
Conditions: Taken at 10am after a workout, big breakfast, coffee, and long warmup. Felt groggy for the first half of the test. 5-section, 7-sage proctored.

LG: -1
LR1: -1
LR2: -0
RC: -1
Raw: 98

Scaled: 180



I could get used to this

[Alexandros]

Just took PT 59. Here are the results.

PT 59
Conditions: Taken at 10am after a workout, big breakfast, coffee, and long warmup. Felt groggy for the first half of the test. 5-section, 7-sage proctored.

LG: -1
LR1: -1
LR2: -0
RC: -1
Raw: 98

Scaled: 180



I could get used to this

HELL YES. CONGRATS.

[Mikey]

Just took PT 59. Here are the results.

PT 59
Conditions: Taken at 10am after a workout, big breakfast, coffee, and long warmup. Felt groggy for the first half of the test. 5-section, 7-sage proctored.

LG: -1
LR1: -1
LR2: -0
RC: -1
Raw: 98

Scaled: 180



I could get used to this

Good shit bro! You never cease to amaze with your PT scores!

Can I be your Jr.?

ETA: How long was your warm up?

[34iplaw]

Just took PT 59. Here are the results.

PT 59
Conditions: Taken at 10am after a workout, big breakfast, coffee, and long warmup. Felt groggy for the first half of the test. 5-section, 7-sage proctored.

LG: -1
LR1: -1
LR2: -0
RC: -1
Raw: 98

Scaled: 180



I could get used to this

I guess you need to start evaluating yourself based on your raw score out of 100-102 rather than your LSAT score.

[Alexandros]

I need to be more just OK with admitting that simple games are intended to be easy or build some confidence with that... like...

I had some game I was struggling with, and I see all these hypos I was trying to draw...and they just aren't even close to necessary. Just a simple one rule to be contradicted, and I kind of knew that was the important rule going in [at least one or both rule in a game with 6 slots]...

Anyone ever use numerical distributions as a base? I used the numerical distributions as a base for the December 1992 game with five students. I'm not sure if that was just a unique situation, but the game became so much easier when I changed my board to just...

[+] Spoiler

Pv -> PHRv

3 S/P H R

2 P/S L [m/t]

0

Have yet to watch the 7sage on how they do it.

Account still not restored yet. I'm a bit more than annoyed right now.

Numerical distribution inferences or board splitting at the beginning are one of those inferences I often forget that tend to be extremely useful. I've almost certainly done it but I can't recall the Dec 1992 game you're referring to off the top of my head (there are so many games with students ) but I'm pretty sure using a numerical distribution as a base is something you'll find useful elsewhere.

I hope you can get your account worked out soon. That's really crappy.

It's the Montreal, Vancouver, Toronto one. Yeah it's a bit annoying... I'm trying to get caught up from last weekend and it makes it challenging to say the least.

Oh that game. Totally threw me for a loop first time I tried it. The numbers inference definitely makes it way, way easier.

Yeah ... I think I sort of remembered it a bit as I did it. I definitely have seen it in the past. That said, I definitely had never previously diagrammed it or seen it with the numerical distributions as the base. I think it made it a bit more conceptually easier in my head to understand.

They finally restored my account, so I can get back to LR. I had done the first 30 of the strengthen type questions, but I was a bit worried going into them given how hopeless I felt during the class. 30/30 so far, and I was far more confident in selecting answers on these than other types. I think it's sort a natural extension of weaken questions, so I think that's helping me.

Anywho, I have my battlestation set up in starbucks with the venti skinny iced caramel macchiato with extra espresso... caffeine time.

The one game that really screws me up is the one with Anna and Bob and Dave and co with their planes. Totally didn't get that we were supposed to assume they could only fly once during a show. I'm hoping that's a relic of older PTs and we wouldn't see anything that ambiguous in the more recent ones.

Glad you got your account back! Great job on those questions. Aww yiss iced caramel macchiato A++

I'm hoping I can make some serious progress on LR and RC and get back to PTs. All these fantastic scores lately are inspiring af

[Mikey]

Did someone say iced caramel macchiato

[20170322]

Just took PT 59. Here are the results.

PT 59
Conditions: Taken at 10am after a workout, big breakfast, coffee, and long warmup. Felt groggy for the first half of the test. 5-section, 7-sage proctored.

LG: -1
LR1: -1
LR2: -0
RC: -1
Raw: 98

Scaled: 180



I could get used to this

Good shit bro! You never cease to amaze with your PT scores!

Can I be your Jr.?

ETA: How long was your warm up?

3 LG's, 2 RC's and the last 10 LR's from an old PT section.

[Mikey]

Just took PT 59. Here are the results.

PT 59
Conditions: Taken at 10am after a workout, big breakfast, coffee, and long warmup. Felt groggy for the first half of the test. 5-section, 7-sage proctored.

LG: -1
LR1: -1
LR2: -0
RC: -1
Raw: 98

Scaled: 180



I could get used to this

Good shit bro! You never cease to amaze with your PT scores!

Can I be your Jr.?

ETA: How long was your warm up?

3 LG's, 2 RC's and the last 10 LR's from an old PT section.

Interesting. The only warm up I ever did was for June. 14(maybe 15 don't remember) LR questions and 1 logic game. How long of a warm up are you planning on doing for test day?

[34iplaw]

Just took PT 59. Here are the results.

PT 59
Conditions: Taken at 10am after a workout, big breakfast, coffee, and long warmup. Felt groggy for the first half of the test. 5-section, 7-sage proctored.

LG: -1
LR1: -1
LR2: -0
RC: -1
Raw: 98

Scaled: 180



I could get used to this

Good shit bro! You never cease to amaze with your PT scores!

Can I be your Jr.?

ETA: How long was your warm up?

3 LG's, 2 RC's and the last 10 LR's from an old PT section.

I know that you were talking about what to do for a gap year or two if you decided to take one or two... have you considered teaching for one of the prep companies? Now, it's entirely possible that your a curmudgeonly old man and that could preclude you, but you do seem to have a very strong command over the material. Could do that along with something else. Pay is not that bad, and I do think teaching, similar to sales, is a good way to just become more personable. Granted, you could always do both.

[20170322]

Just took PT 59. Here are the results.

PT 59
Conditions: Taken at 10am after a workout, big breakfast, coffee, and long warmup. Felt groggy for the first half of the test. 5-section, 7-sage proctored.

LG: -1
LR1: -1
LR2: -0
RC: -1
Raw: 98

Scaled: 180



I could get used to this

Good shit bro! You never cease to amaze with your PT scores!

Can I be your Jr.?

ETA: How long was your warm up?

3 LG's, 2 RC's and the last 10 LR's from an old PT section.

Interesting. The only warm up I ever did was for June. 14(maybe 15 don't remember) LR questions and 1 logic game. How long of a warm up are you planning on doing for test day?

Same length. it works wonders.

[Mikey]

I know that you were talking about what to do for a gap year or two if you decided to take one or two... have you considered teaching for one of the prep companies? Now, it's entirely possible that your a curmudgeonly old man and that could preclude you, but you do seem to have a very strong command over the material. Could do that along with something else. Pay is not that bad, and I do think teaching, similar to sales, is a good way to just become more personable. Granted, you could always do both.

I second this. Sweet, you know this test forwards and backwards, teaching for a prep company could be good and their pay isn't that bad.

[34iplaw]

I know that you were talking about what to do for a gap year or two if you decided to take one or two... have you considered teaching for one of the prep companies? Now, it's entirely possible that your a curmudgeonly old man and that could preclude you, but you do seem to have a very strong command over the material. Could do that along with something else. Pay is not that bad, and I do think teaching, similar to sales, is a good way to just become more personable. Granted, you could always do both.

I second this. Sweet, you know this test forwards and backwards, teaching for a prep company could be good and their pay isn't that bad.

Forgot to add, I think you could crush every bar trivia as a result of teaching it. I think that's where the real payoff of the LSAT comes from. Knowing random facts and trivia.

[CoGar]

Honestly, getting really irritated with Testmasters. My account just got locked, as I, apparently, read their 2-3 sentence explanations of some drill answers too fast. Now, I have to send an e-mail explaining myself?

Better yet, I can't access literally anything.

Just curious, are you in the online or live class? we seem to be some of the only two on TestMasters in here or atleast the only to to have mentioned it a few times

[34iplaw]

Honestly, getting really irritated with Testmasters. My account just got locked, as I, apparently, read their 2-3 sentence explanations of some drill answers too fast. Now, I have to send an e-mail explaining myself?

Better yet, I can't access literally anything.

Just curious, are you in the online or live class? we seem to be some of the only two on TestMasters in here or atleast the only to to have mentioned it a few times

Live class.

[20170322]

I know that you were talking about what to do for a gap year or two if you decided to take one or two... have you considered teaching for one of the prep companies? Now, it's entirely possible that your a curmudgeonly old man and that could preclude you, but you do seem to have a very strong command over the material. Could do that along with something else. Pay is not that bad, and I do think teaching, similar to sales, is a good way to just become more personable. Granted, you could always do both.

I second this. Sweet, you know this test forwards and backwards, teaching for a prep company could be good and their pay isn't that bad.

I will definitely look into this if the September test goes well!

[Alexandros]

So I recently dropped intro philosophy for a master's level neurobiology course (a spot became available, i *had* to!), annnd now I keep getting emails from volunteer things and whatnot that I apparently signed up for for the fall.
@ self why do you do this...

Welp, time to get an iced latte and hit LR.

[tofuspeedstar]

I have some concern with 7sage in using much older exams as PTs. Should I be concerned? It recs PT 38 onwards starting next week according to my schedule as those are all the ones w/ full video explanations available.

Should I ignore that and use tests in the 50+ range?

Also, lately I've been feeling slightly discouraged with recent prep (mostly the sequencing games w/ a twist have been murking me the last day) and debating sitting in December. This is going to be my 3rd take and I want to be a 3 time LSAT champion. I've been on this grind since getting laid off back in March (I'm basically getting paid by my previous employer to study for this exam).

I think I'm the only one in here not aiming to go anywhere in the T14 (SMU is my top choice, I'm a Texas resident and plan on staying here after LS)

[Mikey]

did someone says iced latte

[20170322]

Idk if I should start upping my PT frequency, or keep drilling.

[34iplaw]

Idk if I should start upping my PT frequency, or keep drilling.

Stay the course, IMO.