The Official June 2015 Study Group Forum

[Rigo]

I don't buy into the RZnumbers paranoia.
Bitch won't even pw because he thinks Asha is lurking.

I haven't seen you PW.

I've pw'd countless times. Don't deflect.

[Smallville]

Let's talk about LR skills. Your assumption was that your 'order' will be followed. Guess what?

are you this much of a tool irl too?

[Rigo]

Let's talk about LR skills. Your assumption was that your 'order' will be followed. Guess what?
Let's talk about RC skills. "I guess" left the window open!

Let's talk about how you're a weirdo for purposely disobeying someone's request for a smidge of discretion.

[ChoboPie]

Can folks share tips on how they nailed down timing on the test (for LR and RC)? That's my biggest issue right now--solving quickly without losing accuracy.

For RC, how much time are you normally spending on the passage? Do you feel like at the end, you at least have a good grasp of the main point and the general theme/idea of each paragraph? More information will help us get a better idea of what your issues are.

In general, don't go onto the questions without at least a decent grasp of the passage. Otherwise, you'll have a set of questions that'll likely take an egregious amount of time.

This goes for LR too: make sure for stims with arguments, you at least have a solid grasp of conclusion and premise, or at the very least, the conclusion no matter what. For non-argument stims, just make sure you follow along and don't get sidetracked.

Also, are there any questions that take an extreme amount of time? I find that there are frequently 1-3 questions per section that have the potential to be major time sucks--either because it lends itself very easily to a trap interpretation, or it's more complicated than normal.

How far along are you in your prep? If you haven't taken lots of PTs, then I wouldn't worry so much about timing. Timing will come with practice and experience--just make sure you don't fall for the trap of rushing and sacrificing accuracy for the sake of cutting time too early on.

Again, you've gotta pinpoint your specific issues to be able to diagnose them. There are soooooo many ways timing can suffer in RC and LR.

[fundip]

Can folks share tips on how they nailed down timing on the test (for LR and RC)? That's my biggest issue right now--solving quickly without losing accuracy.

I think it just takes a lot of time, practice, familiarity, recognition of patterns, and better fundamental knowledge (curious to see how many ways I can say the same thing here...). A combination of all of that. How many PTs have you done, and how much of a factor has time been for you?

I've taken PT 52-72 using the Trainer schedule. And I've taken a bunch of random PTs between 30-51. Also, I sat for the february administration, and got a score of low 170s. During that test, I didn't finish the first LR section, and I just barely finished the other LR and RC sections. With that said, I honestly think the Feb. test was a fluke for me because it was the first time that I completed most of the LR/RC sections on time. But I can't say that I'll be so lucky again in June.

Can folks share tips on how they nailed down timing on the test (for LR and RC)? That's my biggest issue right now--solving quickly without losing accuracy.

For RC, how much time are you normally spending on the passage? Do you feel like at the end, you at least have a good grasp of the main point and the general theme/idea of each paragraph? More information will help us get a better idea of what your issues are.

In general, don't go onto the questions without at least a decent grasp of the passage. Otherwise, you'll have a set of questions that'll likely take an egregious amount of time.

This goes for LR too: make sure for stims with arguments, you at least have a solid grasp of conclusion and premise, or at the very least, the conclusion no matter what. For non-argument stims, just make sure you follow along and don't get sidetracked.

Also, are there any questions that take an extreme amount of time? I find that there are frequently 1-3 questions per section that have the potential to be major time sucks--either because it lends itself very easily to a trap interpretation, or it's more complicated than normal.

How far along are you in your prep? If you haven't taken lots of PTs, then I wouldn't worry so much about timing. Timing will come with practice and experience--just make sure you don't fall for the trap of rushing and sacrificing accuracy for the sake of cutting time too early on.

Again, you've gotta pinpoint your specific issues to be able to diagnose them. There are soooooo many ways timing can suffer in RC and LR.

I usually get stuck on the last ten LR questions--I manage to do 15 in 15, but then those last 10 questions make me lose so much time. And I am also a pretty slow reader so for RC, I usually spend 8:30-9 minutes per passage (with questions), but the occasional passage may take even more time...

And I would say since i'm a retaker, I'm pretty far along in my prep.

[betterLawyerUP]

How are you guys answering LR questions? I am doing MBT packet and even with knowing the question type it takes me over 1:25 per question (on difficulty 1 ATM), I usually get them right but they are the easier questions and it still takes time. I am more interested if you guys can help with refining my method, I think the errors come because I frequently read the first or second line and then I have to reread because I blank out (-3sec right there). Then, the biggest issue comes in long stim with percentages or logical statements. You read the stim and understand it. For example, Ducks on east pond are more male than west (easy to comprehend), but on east more male than are on west (still easy to comprehend). Then, two or three more statements follow (which require inferences), and it only leaves me with an idea on the whole stim. Proceed to the question, they throw the quantifiers in (some, many, etc) and I have to go reread to make sure. Basically, If you guys could share your thought process as you go through a question, because some of the stim can be convoluted and you can follow the meaning of the question, but you are uncertain of the exact statements that can be derived from them, which is required in the answer choice (remembering whether or not you can infer most A's are B's, etc).

[biggestlawman]

Let's talk about LR skills. Your assumption was that your 'order' will be followed. Guess what?
Let's talk about RC skills. "I guess" left the window open!

Let's talk about how you're a weirdo for purposely disobeying someone's request for a smidge of discretion.

Disobeying a request?!

Anyhow. Dude, I did not know someone will be so touchy-feely about their previous score. Score that you are trying to eclipse and make inconsequential in any case.

And, I duly apologize if I have caused you any anguish. It was certainly not meant!

[biggestlawman]

Let's talk about LR skills. Your assumption was that your 'order' will be followed. Guess what?
Let's talk about RC skills. "I guess" left the window open!

Let's talk about how you're a weirdo for purposely disobeying someone's request for a smidge of discretion.

Disobeying a request?!

Anyhow. Dude, I did not know someone will be so touchy-feely about their previous score. Score that you are trying to eclipse and make inconsequential in any case.

And, I duly apologize if I have caused you any anguish. It was certainly not meant!

Smallville, please read the above. Please!!!

[Rigo]

lol

[ChoboPie]

Lol, biggestlawman, wtfdude...

[biggestlawman]

lol

I like the fact that you are lolling.
(Hoping it means something good.)

I also like your tar.

I like the number of posts you have typed.

I like you!!! tsk tsk!!!

[biggestlawman]

Lol, biggestlawman, wtfdude...

I like you too!!!

[biggestlawman]

Let me declare my unconditional love for all of you, whether you are here or not!

[nlee10]

wut

[biggestlawman]

wut

Yes, that includes you too, nlee10! You are loved!

[Smallville]

lol

possibly scholarly's alternate personality??

[ChoboPie]

I usually get stuck on the last ten LR questions--I manage to do 15 in 15, but then those last 10 questions make me lose so much time. And I am also a pretty slow reader so for RC, I usually spend 8:30-9 minutes per passage (with questions), but the occasional passage may take even more time...

And I would say since i'm a retaker, I'm pretty far along in my prep.

Sorry meant ~time reading each passage.

For LR, it's not surprising that the latter q's take more time. But if you're able to do the first 15 in 15, then I'm getting the sense that something (or things) in those last 10 questions is screwing you. Are there any patterns? Like are you spending an insane amount of time on parallel reasoning vs. flaws, or are you diagramming a shit ton for formal reasoning?

It's possible that

A.) You're fine on fundamentals, but when things get a little bit more complicated on questions in the latter part of the section, you start using inefficient processes or

B.) You're psyching yourself out and over-thinking/going into the last 10 questions unconfident and worried.

It looks like you're in the mindset that you're probably just not going to finish in time, which is really, really detrimental--know that you know your shit (as indicated by your already 170s score), and that even if you can't finish on time yet, that you can and will with some more practice.

[The Abyss]

Well, tt has gotten weird.

[biggestlawman]

lol

possibly scholarly's alternate personality??

With some possible alterations to the alternate in question (singularity in question will be hard to come by in nature!). An avid avoider of altercation, but not of alliteration.

[ChoboPie]

lol

possibly scholarly's alternate personality??

LOL, I was wondering the same thing. But I'm getting a much more bizarre-feeling vibe compared to SS ...

[ChoboPie]

With some possible alterations to the alternate in question (singularity in question will be hard to come by in nature!) An avid avoider of altercation, but not of alliteration.

NVM. SS, is that you?

ETA: I guess I'll just say it. BLM, you don't seem like a bad dude. It's just that some of your previous posts come off as dickish.

[biggestlawman]

With some possible alterations to the alternate in question (singularity in question will be hard to come by in nature!) An avid avoider of altercation, but not of alliteration.

NVM. SS, is that you?

Who is SS? Curious.

[TheWalkingDebt]

With some possible alterations to the alternate in question (singularity in question will be hard to come by in nature!) An avid avoider of altercation, but not of alliteration.

NVM. SS, is that you?

ETA: I guess I'll just say it. BLM, you don't seem like a bad dude. It's just that some of your previous posts come off as dickish.

There's a certain rigidity to them that screams "stick up the ass" type of personality.

[biggestlawman]

With some possible alterations to the alternate in question (singularity in question will be hard to come by in nature!) An avid avoider of altercation, but not of alliteration.

NVM. SS, is that you?

ETA: I guess I'll just say it. BLM, you don't seem like a bad dude. It's just that some of your previous posts come off as dickish.

There's a certain rigidity to them that screams "stick up the ass" type of personality.

Correct! Thank you! Wait, is that a good thing? Well, it seems that I am in the midst of psychiatrists!

[Rigo]

Don't pet the rabbits too hard, biggestlawman.