February 2012 Waiting Thread (NEW POLL!!!1!) Forum

[unitball]

Scores are out!







http://espn.go.com/nba/scoreboard

negged.

[pancakelover]

No. The book does a poor job of conveying anything. It is completely onesided, shows very poor scholarship and distorts history. I don't want to make any assumptions about how much you follow Walt and Mersheimer, but go read their interviews and articles outside the book and see how they write, I think you would be shocked. It is almost on par with Normal Finklestein hogwash.

There are many authors/books who I disagree with or happen to not like what they write, but I won't say anything bad about them or their work. There is a big difference between a guy like Benny Morris (who I would recommend even though I disagree with much of his work) and the others mentioned.

Fair enough, although I still enjoyed the read.

[anteater1]

I think this thread hits 150 before scores.

Is it weird that I want to punch your avatar in the face? Not because of anything you’ve said… I think his expression just annoys me.

Watch The Inbetweeners, I beg of you.

My favorite comedy series of all time.

I think I caught an episode at the hotel when I was in London last year. This and Geordie Shore.

Worth another watch if you find the time. I'm from CA but I caught one episode when I was in England and subsequently watched every other episode.

[crede]

I like the part where Chomsky confidently states that the USA and Israel are against a 2-state solution...[/quote]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but this is pretty uncontroversial. 130 countries support Palestinian statehood and representation in the UN; the USA isn't one of them.

[ampersand5]

No. The book does a poor job of conveying anything. It is completely onesided, shows very poor scholarship and distorts history. I don't want to make any assumptions about how much you follow Walt and Mersheimer, but go read their interviews and articles outside the book and see how they write, I think you would be shocked. It is almost on par with Normal Finklestein hogwash.

There are many authors/books who I disagree with or happen to not like what they write, but I won't say anything bad about them or their work. There is a big difference between a guy like Benny Morris (who I would recommend even though I disagree with much of his work) and the others mentioned.

Fair enough, although I still enjoyed the read.

I wasn't trying to be disingenuous, and I'm glad you enjoyed it. I was just stating how it definitely is not a good introduction (or even that relevant) to the Israeli-arab conflict and that it should be taken with a grain of salt.

[ampersand5]

I like the part where Chomsky confidently states that the USA and Israel are against a 2-state solution...

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but this is pretty uncontroversial. 130 countries support Palestinian statehood and representation in the UN; the USA isn't one of them.[/quote]

if you want to actually learn about these issues, I would be happy to educate you. Unfortunately, these things are not as simple as you make them seem and actually have a lot more to them than what you currently suggest you know.

[jigglebottom]

No. The book does a poor job of conveying anything. It is completely onesided, shows very poor scholarship and distorts history. I don't want to make any assumptions about how much you follow Walt and Mersheimer, but go read their interviews and articles outside the book and see how they write, I think you would be shocked. It is almost on par with Normal Finklestein hogwash.

There are many authors/books who I disagree with or happen to not like what they write, but I won't say anything bad about them or their work. There is a big difference between a guy like Benny Morris (who I would recommend even though I disagree with much of his work) and the others mentioned.

For those interested, Ampersand5 just recommended Benny Morris. The Following is a quote from Morris so you can all get a sense of his sympathies. "If the end of the story turns out to be gloomy for the Jews, it will be because Ben Gurion did not complete the transfer in 1948. Because he left a large and volatile demographic reserve in the West Bank and Gaza and within Israel itself" "If he was already engaged in expulsion, maybe he should have done a complete job."

hint: "transfer" is academy-speak for ethnic cleanse.

[ampersand5]

For those interested, Ampersand5 just recommended Benny Morris. The Following is a quote from Morris so you can all get a sense of his sympathies. "If the end of the story turns out to be gloomy for the Jews, it will be because Ben Gurion did not complete the transfer in 1948. Because he left a large and volatile demographic reserve in the West Bank and Gaza and within Israel itself" "If he was already engaged in expulsion, maybe he should have done a complete job."

hint: "transfer" is academy-speak for ethnic cleanse.[/quote]

I can't tell if I am being trolled right now or Mr. Said over here is really that dense. I just explained the difference between advocating something because one agrees with it, or because it represents good scholarship. Benny Morris represents great scholarship and is a (probably THE) trusted source on the matter (much more so than anybody Mr Said will recommend). What makes this even more peculiar is that I stated I even disagreed with his opinions.

I guess you are just following in the footsteps of your faux-academic heros by taking quotes out of context to illustrate a fallacious point.

[Fyo'Couch]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but this is pretty uncontroversial. 130 countries support Palestinian statehood and representation in the UN; the USA isn't one of them.

Do you understand the difference between supporting self-determination generally and supporting a regime recognized by the UN as a terrorist organization?

[crede]

I like the part where Chomsky confidently states that the USA and Israel are against a 2-state solution...

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but this is pretty uncontroversial. 130 countries support Palestinian statehood and representation in the UN; the USA isn't one of them.

if you want to actually learn about these issues, I would be happy to educate you. Unfortunately, these things are not as simple as you make them seem and actually have a lot more to them than what you currently suggest you know.[/quote]

As I make them seem? I'm sorry, I don't believe I've asserted anything other than the plain fact above. You, on the other hand, have contributed nothing more than an ad hominem attack on Chomsky and a condescending slight on my supposed lack of knowledge on this issue. So, I humbly decline your disingenuous offer to "educate" me, thanks.

[ampersand5]

im sorry if you feel that way but your quoted post demonstrates minimal understanding of the situation at hand. In response to your criticism: I am the one who started this discussion, I did not make an ad hominem attack on Chomsky although I do apologize if I came off as condescending.

[noleknight16]

Scores are out!







http://espn.go.com/nba/scoreboard

Wizards lose again lol. Big surprise

[Fyo'Couch]

Scores are out!







http://espn.go.com/nba/scoreboard

Wizards lose again lol. Big surprise

The Whiz need a shake-up.....I think Gilbert Arenas is available.

[jigglebottom]

yes.. the fallacious point that benny morris said Ben Gurion "maybe" would have been better off if he had "done a complete job" My last post did not deny his "great scholarship" I was merely giving some context rather than simply writing something off as being a big "no-no" to those who follow the middle east.

[Kit Cloudkicker]

Scores are out!







http://espn.go.com/nba/scoreboard

Wizards lose again lol. Big surprise

The Whiz need a shake-up.....I think Gilbert Arenas is available.

NBA Finals.... KD/Westbrook vs. Lebron/D-Wade

[Fyo'Couch]

Scores are out!







http://espn.go.com/nba/scoreboard

Wizards lose again lol. Big surprise

The Whiz need a shake-up.....I think Gilbert Arenas is available.

NBA Finals.... KD/Westbrook vs. Lebron/D-Wade

No love for the big Bosh man and Serge I-block-a?

[crede]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but this is pretty uncontroversial. 130 countries support Palestinian statehood and representation in the UN; the USA isn't one of them.

Do you understand the difference between supporting self-determination generally and a supporting a regime recognized by the UN as a terrorist organization?

Yes. Do you understand how labeling an organization as "terrorist" may also be a convenient way to justify forced displacement of peoples? I'm for a two-state solution; the middle east conflict is not a zero sum game as it's often construed. But the "terrorist" argument doesn't really work here. Until 2008 the United States designated Nelson Mandela as a terrorist, after all.

[noleknight16]

Scores are out!







http://espn.go.com/nba/scoreboard

Wizards lose again lol. Big surprise

The Whiz need a shake-up.....I think Gilbert Arenas is available.

-__________-

[Kit Cloudkicker]

No love for the big Bosh man and Serge I-block-a?

Perkins & Chalmers.

[crede]

im sorry if you feel that way but your quoted post demonstrates minimal understanding of the situation at hand. In response to your criticism: I am the one who started this discussion, I did not make an ad hominem attack on Chomsky although I do apologize if I came off as condescending.

No worries. I posted the article because I actually happened to be reading it at the time I saw this discussion start up. I'm not a blind Chomsky devotee, although I do believe he should be taken seriously as one angle on this complex issue.

[jigglebottom]

im sorry if you feel that way but your quoted post demonstrates minimal understanding of the situation at hand. In response to your criticism: I am the one who started this discussion, I did not make an ad hominem attack on Chomsky although I do apologize if I came off as condescending.

No worries. I posted the article because I actually happened to be reading it at the time I saw this discussion start up. I'm not a blind Chomsky devotee, although I do believe he should be taken seriously as one angle on this complex issue.

i kinda want ampersand5 to retract his attack on Said.

[bernaldiaz]

NBA Finals.... KD/Westbrook vs. Lebron/D-Wade

I would watch the shit out of that.

[Fyo'Couch]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but this is pretty uncontroversial. 130 countries support Palestinian statehood and representation in the UN; the USA isn't one of them.

Do you understand the difference between supporting self-determination generally and a supporting a regime recognized by the UN as a terrorist organization?

Yes. Do you understand how labeling an organization as "terrorist" may also be a convenient way to justify forced displacement of peoples? I'm for a two-state solution; the middle east conflict is not a zero sum game as it's often construed. But the "terrorist" argument doesn't really work here. Until 2008 the United States designated Nelson Mandela as a terrorist, after all.

The last part sounds like a flaw in the reasoning question (are we still talking about the LSAT?). While I'm all for conspiracy theories that show Israel to be intentionally undermining their national security, I am particularly amused by people who suggest that Hamas is not a terrorist organization. I implore you take your girlfriend on an all inclusive vacation to Al-Bustan resort in Gaza and tell me about the bevy of rights and freedoms you enjoy on your stay there.

[ampersand5]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but this is pretty uncontroversial. 130 countries support Palestinian statehood and representation in the UN; the USA isn't one of them.

Do you understand the difference between supporting self-determination generally and a supporting a regime recognized by the UN as a terrorist organization?

Yes. Do you understand how labeling an organization as "terrorist" may also be a convenient way to justify forced displacement of peoples? I'm for a two-state solution; the middle east conflict is not a zero sum game as it's often construed. But the "terrorist" argument doesn't really work here. Until 2008 the United States designated Nelson Mandela as a terrorist, after all.

The last part sounds like a flaw in the reasoning question (are we still talking about the LSAT?). While I'm all for conspiracy theories that show Israel to be intentionally undermining their national security, I am particularly amused by people who suggest that Hamas is not a terrorist organization. I implore you take your girlfriend on an all inclusive vacation to Al-Bustan resort in Gaza and tell me about the bevy of rights and freedoms you enjoy on your stay there.

How long until it is burnt down ala the Gaza Crazy Water Park?

[Fyo'Couch]

NBA Finals.... KD/Westbrook vs. Lebron/D-Wade

I would watch the shit out of that.

This is no season for old men.

I think I should copyright that and sell it to David Stern as the official slogan of this season. Would the movie have likeness rights?