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[gwillygecko]

Has anyone ever seen a LG like the 4th one yesterday? I brute forced my way through it like I haven't had to in a long time....

PT 72, game 4
PT 77, game 3
PT 79, game 4

Not that those are similar in the sense that they have similar set-ups per se. But each of those was part of the same family of "oh damn what is this I have no idea set my hair on fire" games designed to shock you until you feel them out w/o relying on specific set-ups from Powerscore, etc.

I think what sets this one apart from those is that, in my opinion, game 3 this time around was harder than any of the normal games in each of those tests.

I aggree 99%, Lsac is compensating for an abundance of prep material. With enough time and effort most people can go -0 on the games. The only point disagreement is on 77 game #3. Although it was a very odd game, I don't think it was on a the same tier of difficulty of 72 game 4, 79 game 4, or 80 game 4.

77 game 3 had few rules that were straightforward, and gave you the diagram in the set up. Furthermore, the way the game worked was fairly intuitive. Where as a weaker test taker could spend an extra couple of minutes and brute force their way through, I don't think the same could be said about the other games.

i think 77-3(office rankings) was a step above 72-4(project transfers) difficulty-wise. 72-4 was harder to setup, but the questions were easier.

[bearedman8]

Gah. Just redid the setup for game 3 from memory using the inference I figured out waiting for time to be called on the subsequent section. That game should not have been as hard as I made it yesterday. SO pissed.

I think that the game's difficulty really hinged on that inference. It sounds like it was possible to brute force your way through the game, but the inference let you finish all the questions in probably under a minute and a half.

[Pozzo]

Gah. Just redid the setup for game 3 from memory using the inference I figured out waiting for time to be called on the subsequent section. That game should not have been as hard as I made it yesterday. SO pissed.

I think that the game's difficulty really hinged on that inference. It sounds like it was possible to brute force your way through the game, but the inference let you finish all the questions in probably under a minute and a half.

Yeah, I've got a couple of worlds here and every answer I would have needed.

[laqueredup]

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[laqueredup]

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[amta]

feel worse about my score today.

[Pozzo]

I still think it was easier than September, but in September I fell into the time sink 3rd game trap and didn't have time to figure out viruses. This time I got to game 4 earlier, and somehow it clicked for me.

LG:-0/-1
RC:-0/-2 (a few questions I wasn't entirely confident on)
LR: -1/-6 (How I feel after LR doesn't seem to ever correlate to how I actually did good or bad so wide range here)

So yeah hopefully closer to 180 than 170 so I can improve on my sept score, but we will see next year...

Where'd you end up Sept, if you don't mind?

172 in September
-6LG after missing the last three on viruses and rushing the others
-0RC
-3LR

I went ahead and applied with the 172, but figured as a splitter, getting closer to my PT average of 176 was worth a shot to try to get off any wait lists.

Nice. Did the same as you in Sept. I've been holding off on applying though to put more focus toward yesterday's test.

[laqueredup]

Gah. Just redid the setup for game 3 from memory using the inference I figured out waiting for time to be called on the subsequent section. That game should not have been as hard as I made it yesterday. SO pissed.

I think that the game's difficulty really hinged on that inference. It sounds like it was possible to brute force your way through the game, but the inference let you finish all the questions in probably under a minute and a half.

Exactly, I caught it on the last question and had to facepalm myself during the test. It made it easy to double check the earlier answers though.

[34iplaw]

ENOUGH NEUROTICISM. Make this thread fun again.

+180

suggestion: people should start PWing

Yoooo 100+ posts now!!!

[+] Spoiler

Post LSAT hike! (left)

I always read your name as beardedman. Needless to say, I felt betrayed and deceived. I now know your name is bearedman.

[bearedman8]

ENOUGH NEUROTICISM. Make this thread fun again.

+180

suggestion: people should start PWing

Yoooo 100+ posts now!!!

[+] Spoiler

Post LSAT hike! (left)

I always read your name as beardedman. Needless to say, I felt betrayed and deceived. I now know your name is bearedman.

Lmao back in like 2nd grade one of my friends told me he'd sell me his "level 50 Runescape account for my ham sandwich." I think it was supposed to be bearded man 8, but there was a 12 character limit so this is what stuck. Also, I got scammed and it was only level 3. :'(

[Hopeful5]

LG was a mess. I was hoping that my normally strong LR and RC would make up for it, but I got super distracted during Rc. The kid next to me got caught cheating and the proctors were arguing with him in hushed voice als and called in another proctor and were walking back to the front and back to the cheater and kept bumping my chair. I got so freaked out because I was worried that he might have cheated off of me and that they would think we were working together and confiscate my test too. Obviously extremely unlikely, but it still sent me into a panic. I used up a ton of time because I was so distracted about it and had to blow through the last two passages. I don't know if I should cancel or not. I'm so upset that that happened. If it wasn't for asshole cheater kid, I would have been fine on RC and now I don't think I'll have it to save me after that rough LG (((((

[sethnoorzad]

Man, what an intense test.

There was a person behind me who was so annoying. She kept making blowing noises like she was working out. It was really distracting.

I was anticipating something like this and so I took a PT inside a noisy library with a loud baby whining. I think that I would have done even worse if I hadn't done that. It was bothering me from the beginning but I was able to brush it off until the last section. I was fatigued and the last section just happened to be LG, my weakest section type. I did the first two games then on the third game I just cracked and couldn't even figure out the first question. Then I skipped to the next questions and couldn't do those either. I was aiming to get to three games and I got to two.

Disappointing result for me but I did my best.

Anyone else experience frustrating disturbances during their tests?

[dontsaywhatyoumean]

LG was a mess. I was hoping that my normally strong LR and RC would make up for it, but I got super distracted during Rc. The kid next to me got caught cheating and the proctors were arguing with him in hushed voice als and called in another proctor and were walking back to the front and back to the cheater and kept bumping my chair. I got so freaked out because I was worried that he might have cheated off of me and that they would think we were working together and confiscate my test too. Obviously extremely unlikely, but it still sent me into a panic. I used up a ton of time because I was so distracted about it and had to blow through the last two passages. I don't know if I should cancel or not. I'm so upset that that happened. If it wasn't for asshole cheater kid, I would have been fine on RC and now I don't think I'll have it to save me after that rough LG (((((

What did they suspect him of, in regards to what he was doing that was considered cheating?

[SunDevil14]

Has anyone ever seen a LG like the 4th one yesterday? I brute forced my way through it like I haven't had to in a long time....

PT 72, game 4
PT 77, game 3
PT 79, game 4

Not that those are similar in the sense that they have similar set-ups per se. But each of those was part of the same family of "oh damn what is this I have no idea set my hair on fire" games designed to shock you until you feel them out w/o relying on specific set-ups from Powerscore, etc.

I think what sets this one apart from those is that, in my opinion, game 3 this time around was harder than any of the normal games in each of those tests.

I aggree 99%, Lsac is compensating for an abundance of prep material. With enough time and effort most people can go -0 on the games. The only point disagreement is on 77 game #3. Although it was a very odd game, I don't think it was on a the same tier of difficulty of 72 game 4, 79 game 4, or 80 game 4.

77 game 3 had few rules that were straightforward, and gave you the diagram in the set up. Furthermore, the way the game worked was fairly intuitive. Where as a weaker test taker could spend an extra couple of minutes and brute force their way through, I don't think the same could be said about the other games.

i think 77-3(office rankings) was a step above 72-4(project transfers) difficulty-wise. 72-4 was harder to setup, but the questions were easier.

Debatable. The game required no set up and very few if any large/hidden inferences. The shock value wasn't there, because in the back of your head you're nearly 100% certain you can brute force all the correct answers with out taking a huge amount of time.

I Believe the lack of certainty that you can brute force the other games in a timely manner is part of what defrentiates them. Also none of the others provide you with a great templemate to solve the game. You have to do that yourselves and that's half the battle.

[laqueredup]

https://www.google.com/search?q=fmri+sc ... =fmri+scan

Post the image that best correlates to your brain during game 4.

[Hopeful5]

LG was a mess. I was hoping that my normally strong LR and RC would make up for it, but I got super distracted during Rc. The kid next to me got caught cheating and the proctors were arguing with him in hushed voice als and called in another proctor and were walking back to the front and back to the cheater and kept bumping my chair. I got so freaked out because I was worried that he might have cheated off of me and that they would think we were working together and confiscate my test too. Obviously extremely unlikely, but it still sent me into a panic. I used up a ton of time because I was so distracted about it and had to blow through the last two passages. I don't know if I should cancel or not. I'm so upset that that happened. If it wasn't for asshole cheater kid, I would have been fine on RC and now I don't think I'll have it to save me after that rough LG (((((

What did they suspect him of, in regards to what he was doing that was considered cheating?

I have no idea what he was doing and when I asked afterwards they wouldn't tell me. I was worried because at the time, all I could come up with, was that he was looking at someone else's test and I was the only person next to him. Could have been anything though. 'Subs working in a different section or something...

[34iplaw]

https://www.google.com/search?q=fmri+sc ... =fmri+scan

Post the image that best correlates to your brain during game 4.

I'm on the bottom.

[Pozzo]

Post the image that best correlates to your brain during game 4.

That's me on the right.

[batlaw]

Is that anger... lit up in multiple spots??

[BobBoblaw]

Man, what an intense test.

on the third game I just cracked and couldn't even figure out the first question. Then I skipped to the next questions and couldn't do those either. I was aiming to get to three games and I got to two.

Disappointing result for me but I did my best.

Anyone else experience frustrating disturbances during their tests?

The third problem set really threw me off because I couldnt get the first question, and usually the first question is a gimmie, so I thought that was highly unusual. I had to skip, and try and brute force my way through the rest and I think I hopefully got at least a couple of those right. But I sure felt like a moron for not getting that inference, and it really bothered me while trying to brute force it that there was so obviously an inference I just couldnt get.


I feel like what the bibles and prep courses need to start focusing on are types of inferences that crop up in the LG sections, so when you know you need an inference you can more easily run down what kind of connections you might be missing.

[dontsaywhatyoumean]

Ughh I just want my score back. It's not like last time where I kind of did, kind of didn't, but now I'm quite confident that I got what I need, and I just want to KNOW IT!

[ms9]

Woah, this thread is already at 120 pages.

I'm working on a quick blog about people claiming to know when the score release date will be. Short of it is that almost every test someone says they know when scores are coming out. No one knows before the actual day other than like 3 people within LSAC, and they aren't saying. I know a good number of people at LSAC and I've tried to get the release date early, much to my fail, several times. My friends at LSAC do not know when they are coming out. So, while we may know a few hours early (and that luxury seems to have gone away) we're all in the same boat before then and please don't let anyone troll you all. Because it sucks when it happens.

[lmnope]

For those of you who are contemplating canceling your score, DON'T DO IT! I was convinced that I had ruined my September LSAT, was completely devastated. I mulled over all the mistakes I thought I'd made, and was positive I scored in the low 160s. I was on the verge of canceling until an older lawyer friend told me that he thought the same thing way back when, but ended up with a great score. So I waited, anxiously, then found out I got a 175+ on the test. One of the happiest and most surprising moments of my life. Post-test doubts are normal, but they do not reflect reality. Don't cancel and hope for the best. Cheers!

Absolutely needed this too. I could not be more anxious and uncertain about my score. Like you I more or less keep telling people I don't know. I felt that I performed very well on 3 of 4 sections, but screwed up on the games so had to resort to guessing the same letter for the final game. It's not unheardful that the Lsat uses the same letter choice for 3 or more answer in a row. Hopefully my good luck charm did it's work, and I picked up a few extra points.

Since most people (including me) are freaking out over the final LG, look at it like this - it was a 5 question game. If you missed every question in the set, as I believe I did, your max score on administrations given the last two years could range from 175 on the soft June '16, to 177 on multiple tests.

While I believe that particular game was designed in such a way that it failed as a test of LG reasoning, don't focus on those five questions (unless you rocked it. WTG!). Think about whatever section or series in which you met or exceeded your expectations, and trust that the effort you put in to get ready will carry you to your goal.

[SunDevil14]

For those of you who are contemplating canceling your score, DON'T DO IT! I was convinced that I had ruined my September LSAT, was completely devastated. I mulled over all the mistakes I thought I'd made, and was positive I scored in the low 160s. I was on the verge of canceling until an older lawyer friend told me that he thought the same thing way back when, but ended up with a great score. So I waited, anxiously, then found out I got a 175+ on the test. One of the happiest and most surprising moments of my life. Post-test doubts are normal, but they do not reflect reality. Don't cancel and hope for the best. Cheers!

Absolutely needed this too. I could not be more anxious and uncertain about my score. Like you I more or less keep telling people I don't know. I felt that I performed very well on 3 of 4 sections, but screwed up on the games so had to resort to guessing the same letter for the final game. It's not unheardful that the Lsat uses the same letter choice for 3 or more answer in a row. Hopefully my good luck charm did it's work, and I picked up a few extra points.

Since most people (including me) are freaking out over the final LG, look at it like this - it was a 5 question game. If you missed every question in the set, as I believe I did, your max score on administrations given the last two years could range from 175 on the soft June '16, to 177 on multiple tests.

While I believe that particular game was designed in such a way that it failed as a test of LG reasoning, don't focus on those five questions (unless you rocked it. WTG!). Think about whatever section or series in which you met or exceeded your expectations, and trust that the effort you put in to get ready will carry you to your goal.

Thanks for all the reassurance guys. I feel that I did really well on the other sections, I suppose it's uncertainty more than anything. Besides, I got an inkling that more than 1 of the answers for the final section were the letter I guessed . Hopefully there is a curve, but not counting on it. IDK if it is just me but all the other sections seem extraordinarily easy compared to other recent test.

[SunDevil14]

Post the image that best correlates to your brain during game 4.

That's me on the right.

Seems about right, once I got to game 4 I was wondering if the test makers were going to pass the crack pipe.