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Post by Veil of Ignorance » Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:57 am

For those of you who are contemplating canceling your score, DON'T DO IT! I was convinced that I had ruined my September LSAT, was completely devastated. I mulled over all the mistakes I thought I'd made, and was positive I scored in the low 160s. I was on the verge of canceling until an older lawyer friend told me that he thought the same thing way back when, but ended up with a great score. So I waited, anxiously, then found out I got a 175+ on the test. One of the happiest and most surprising moments of my life. Post-test doubts are normal, but they do not reflect reality. Don't cancel and hope for the best. Cheers!

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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group

Post by Hobbesy » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:18 pm

Veil of Ignorance wrote:For those of you who are contemplating canceling your score, DON'T DO IT! I was convinced that I had ruined my September LSAT, was completely devastated. I mulled over all the mistakes I thought I'd made, and was positive I scored in the low 160s. I was on the verge of canceling until an older lawyer friend told me that he thought the same thing way back when, but ended up with a great score. So I waited, anxiously, then found out I got a 175+ on the test. One of the happiest and most surprising moments of my life. Post-test doubts are normal, but they do not reflect reality. Don't cancel and hope for the best. Cheers!
I really needed this. Because I've never been so anxious about results test ever and I honestly don't know how I did. People keep asking me and I just...I don't know. I tried my best. So here's to waiting it out

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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group

Post by Pozzo » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:22 pm

Instrumental wrote:So guys after sleeping on it, how do you think you did? I'm feeling a lot better about this test than September. The only section that was sketchy for me was LG and even then it was just the last six questions (last question of Game 3 took a sec). I may be over estimating my ability, but I could see my score being anywhere from -4 to -12.
No real change in how I felt yesterday. LR and RC went as well as they could have. LG is going to make or break me.

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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group

Post by cherrygalore » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:32 pm

Pozzo wrote:
Instrumental wrote:So guys after sleeping on it, how do you think you did? I'm feeling a lot better about this test than September. The only section that was sketchy for me was LG and even then it was just the last six questions (last question of Game 3 took a sec). I may be over estimating my ability, but I could see my score being anywhere from -4 to -12.
No real change in how I felt yesterday. LR and RC went as well as they could have. LG is going to make or break me.
Same. Had a nightmare I misbubbled the first two logic games haha sadly I even dream about the LSAT now.

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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group

Post by SunDevil14 » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:33 pm

dontsaywhatyoumean wrote:
lmnope wrote:
SunDevil14 wrote:
calpolisci2016 wrote:I think Sept. LG section was wayyy easier than Dec's LG section.

At least with the virus game, I had an idea and a strong intuition of how to set up the game.

For Dec's 4th trading game, I had NO idea what to do. Hoping the the LSAC gods placed "B" for almost all the answer choices.
I killed all the sections except LG. I choose "C" for all the answers on game 4. Just reading the set up for the game me a head ache, and usually the games are my best section.

I think there will be a decent curve. I doubt many strong test takers felt confident about acing game 4 epesically with the stress of test day.
I had the same experience. The last LG was so difficult for me that, had it not been my final section, I'm pretty certain it would have affected my performance on the next section. I initially selected a poor set-up for Game 3, and that cost valuable time. Still got the key inference, but it took me halfway through the set before the Eureka moment.

There's a chance I set a personal (negative) record on that final game. The good news personally is that I don't count on -0 LG to hit my target, but I still used more misses there than I wanted. Hoping that my confidence on RC-LR-LR is well founded enough to cover the difference. Could really use a perfect run somewhere else to make it up.
Haha, I had LG as my second to last section, and I noticed I kept on thinking about it and how it would ruin my score (for about the first 5 or so questions, and I was definitely going slower than I had on the previous two LR sections. This was my 3rd LR section).

Then I stopped, closed my eyes, took a couple of deep breaths, and said that up until that section I may have performed as well as I ever have, and I wasn't going to let that one LG section ruin my test and delay me. It went fine after that.

But I was indeed concerned for a bit!
Im still pretty bummed out about LG. I can't stop thinking about it since it's my strongest section. I hit game 3 around the 14 minute mark, and once I got there everything went down hill. I wrote down all my rules but forgot about applying one, so I had to go back and redo a few questions. Then I had some transfer errors on the scantron I had to fix. By that point I was pretty anxious and low on time. I think I finished Game 3 okay but wasn't 100% certain of all my answers as I usually am. Game 4 was a crap shoot, I reached it with four minutes left after the mental down on game 3. Once I read the set up and knew I was toast, considering I had so little time.

Worst part of it all is I spent the most time prepping LG. It's usually my best and strongest section. I usually count on a -0 it for my 170+ scores. :( May still get a 170+ not as certain as I'd like to be at this point.

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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group

Post by Hobbesy » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:35 pm

Pozzo wrote:
Instrumental wrote:So guys after sleeping on it, how do you think you did? I'm feeling a lot better about this test than September. The only section that was sketchy for me was LG and even then it was just the last six questions (last question of Game 3 took a sec). I may be over estimating my ability, but I could see my score being anywhere from -4 to -12.
No real change in how I felt yesterday. LR and RC went as well as they could have. LG is going to make or break me.
Ugh. This is it. This is the feeling. And I hate it has to be that way because LG is my best section.

So I'm hoping our educated guesses put us more in the green than in the red!

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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group

Post by Hobbesy » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:37 pm

Has anyone ever seen a LG like the 4th one yesterday? I brute forced my way through it like I haven't had to in a long time....

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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group

Post by calpolisci2016 » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:40 pm

Did the trading game have 5 or 6 questions?

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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group

Post by bearedman8 » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:40 pm

Instrumental wrote:So guys after sleeping on it, how do you think you did? I'm feeling a lot better about this test than September. The only section that was sketchy for me was LG and even then it was just the last six questions (last question of Game 3 took a sec). I may be over estimating my ability, but I could see my score being anywhere from -4 to -12.
I'm gonna give myself -4 to -6

-0 LG for sure
gonna say -3 on LR. Unsure about teenage drivers. 75% sure on food vendor. -3 seems like a good estimate based on my general confidence for everything else. There's no question that I definitely think I got wrong, though.
-1 to -3 on RC. There were 2 questions that I was unsure about.
calpolisci2016 wrote:Did the trading game have 5 or 6 questions?
It was 5.

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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group

Post by Instrumental » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:44 pm

Hobbesy wrote:Has anyone ever seen a LG like the 4th one yesterday? I brute forced my way through it like I haven't had to in a long time....
The scenario didn't seem completely foreign when I started working on it, but I can't think of a game in particular that is close in type. But yeah, this test is probably going to be a reverse of my normal performance where RC is where I hemorrhage most of my points and LG (and LR) are where I have to salvage my score. Literally went into the last RC passage with like 12 minutes. I was like wtf.

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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group

Post by alpha kenny body » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:48 pm

ENOUGH NEUROTICISM. Make this thread fun again.

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Post by SunDevil14 » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:48 pm

Hobbesy wrote:
Veil of Ignorance wrote:For those of you who are contemplating canceling your score, DON'T DO IT! I was convinced that I had ruined my September LSAT, was completely devastated. I mulled over all the mistakes I thought I'd made, and was positive I scored in the low 160s. I was on the verge of canceling until an older lawyer friend told me that he thought the same thing way back when, but ended up with a great score. So I waited, anxiously, then found out I got a 175+ on the test. One of the happiest and most surprising moments of my life. Post-test doubts are normal, but they do not reflect reality. Don't cancel and hope for the best. Cheers!
I really needed this. Because I've never been so anxious about results test ever and I honestly don't know how I did. People keep asking me and I just...I don't know. I tried my best. So here's to waiting it out
Absolutely needed this too. I could not be more anxious and uncertain about my score. Like you I more or less keep telling people I don't know. I felt that I performed very well on 3 of 4 sections, but screwed up on the games so had to resort to guessing the same letter for the final game. It's not unheardful that the Lsat uses the same letter choice for 3 or more answer in a row. Hopefully my good luck charm did it's work, and I picked up a few extra points.

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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group

Post by Mikey » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:49 pm

I honestly think weird games are going to become standard for most future LSATs, which on LSAC's part is very smart since LG is the section that one can easily go perfect on. It sucks, but I guess with LSAC you have to always expect the unexpected.

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Post by dontsaywhatyoumean » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:50 pm

157 to 166?

I know that's a huge range lol, but I feel really good about all LR and RC, but guessed on the final two games.

That's always my worst section though, so I'm not too concerned.

LR and RC are just kind of difficult to tell. I only remember one question about carbon dioxide that I felt like I probably got wrong.

Other than that, the hard LR questions I can remember were few, and I thought I still probably got them right.

RC had maybe 3 I was uncertain about.

I felt really good though about RC and LR leaving the test.

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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group

Post by Mikey » Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:50 pm

fips tedora wrote:ENOUGH NEUROTICISM. Make this thread fun again.
+180

suggestion: people should start PWing :mrgreen:

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Post by birdkin » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:00 pm

Instrumental wrote:So guys after sleeping on it, how do you think you did? I'm feeling a lot better about this test than September. The only section that was sketchy for me was LG and even then it was just the last six questions (last question of Game 3 took a sec). I may be over estimating my ability, but I could see my score being anywhere from -4 to -12.
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Post by birdkin » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:00 pm

Instrumental wrote:So guys after sleeping on it, how do you think you did? I'm feeling a lot better about this test than September. The only section that was sketchy for me was LG and even then it was just the last six questions (last question of Game 3 took a sec). I may be over estimating my ability, but I could see my score being anywhere from -4 to -12.
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Post by SunDevil14 » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:02 pm

bearedman8 wrote:
Instrumental wrote:So guys after sleeping on it, how do you think you did? I'm feeling a lot better about this test than September. The only section that was sketchy for me was LG and even then it was just the last six questions (last question of Game 3 took a sec). I may be over estimating my ability, but I could see my score being anywhere from -4 to -12.
I'm gonna give myself -4 to -6

-0 LG for sure
gonna say -3 on LR. Unsure about teenage drivers. 75% sure on food vendor. -3 seems like a good estimate based on my general confidence for everything else. There's no question that I definitely think I got wrong, though.
-1 to -3 on RC. There were 2 questions that I was unsure about.
calpolisci2016 wrote:Did the trading game have 5 or 6 questions?
It was 5.

If I were to guess.

RC: -1 to -3
LR I and II: -0 to -3
LG: -2 to -8

Best case scenario -5 overall
Worst case scenario -15 overall

So, likely around -10 overall

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Post by #gobroncos » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:05 pm

Hobbesy wrote:Has anyone ever seen a LG like the 4th one yesterday? I brute forced my way through it like I haven't had to in a long time....
PT 72, game 4
PT 77, game 3
PT 79, game 4

Not that those are similar in the sense that they have similar set-ups per se. But each of those was part of the same family of "oh damn what is this I have no idea set my hair on fire" games designed to shock you until you feel them out w/o relying on specific set-ups from Powerscore, etc.

I think what sets this one apart from those is that, in my opinion, game 3 this time around was harder than any of the normal games in each of those tests.

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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group

Post by Pozzo » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:08 pm

Mikey wrote:
fips tedora wrote:ENOUGH NEUROTICISM. Make this thread fun again.
+180

suggestion: people should start PWing :mrgreen:
Mmkay.
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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group

Post by Pozzo » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:21 pm

#gobroncos wrote:
Hobbesy wrote:Has anyone ever seen a LG like the 4th one yesterday? I brute forced my way through it like I haven't had to in a long time....
PT 72, game 4
PT 77, game 3
PT 79, game 4

Not that those are similar in the sense that they have similar set-ups per se. But each of those was part of the same family of "oh damn what is this I have no idea set my hair on fire" games designed to shock you until you feel them out w/o relying on specific set-ups from Powerscore, etc.

I think what sets this one apart from those is that, in my opinion, game 3 this time around was harder than any of the normal games in each of those tests.
Exactly, not handling 3 quickly made 4 a much tougher challenge.

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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group

Post by Pozzo » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:22 pm

laqueredup wrote:
Instrumental wrote:So guys after sleeping on it, how do you think you did? I'm feeling a lot better about this test than September. The only section that was sketchy for me was LG and even then it was just the last six questions (last question of Game 3 took a sec). I may be over estimating my ability, but I could see my score being anywhere from -4 to -12.
I still think it was easier than September, but in September I fell into the time sink 3rd game trap and didn't have time to figure out viruses. This time I got to game 4 earlier, and somehow it clicked for me.

LG:-0/-1
RC:-0/-2 (a few questions I wasn't entirely confident on)
LR: -1/-6 (How I feel after LR doesn't seem to ever correlate to how I actually did good or bad so wide range here)

So yeah hopefully closer to 180 than 170 so I can improve on my sept score, but we will see next year...
Where'd you end up Sept, if you don't mind?

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Re: The Official December 2016 Waiters Group

Post by Mikey » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:24 pm

Pozzo wrote: Mmkay.
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