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Mint-Berry_Crunch · Post by **Mint-Berry_Crunch** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:30 am

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PoopNpants · Post by **PoopNpants** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:53 am

I'm planning on doing the Superprep tests the preceding week of the LSAT. from what I've heard they are pretty tough, so I hope they will help me prepare if the October LSAT turns out to be more difficult than expected

gamerish · Post by **gamerish** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:29 am

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Judgeasaurus_Rex · Post by **Judgeasaurus_Rex** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:43 am

Mint-Berry_Crunch wrote:PT62 S2 Q8.
I'm having a hard time visualizing this one.

[+] Spoiler
so the argument is: risk is exaggerated since a fatal catastrophe is unlikely since each stage has a well designed backup plan. So the TCR says that this is a part to whole fallacy, just because each stage has a good backup and therefore low risk, that doesn't necessarily mean that entire mission itself has low risk.

Sure, I get the idea that the cumulative risk can add up. But for this question, the stages are separate. You don't exist in two different stages at a time. So for example. Stage 1 is launch. Well the stim tells us that there's a backup. Stage 2 is like, cruising through space. There's a backup. You're not launching and cruising through space at the same time. So you can't add the risk. The risk remains tied to the stage. In a sense, the stages are wholes in themselves. This isn't like other parts to wholes where the parts are functioning at the same time, here they're distinctly separated or else there not stages.
Thoughts?

I mean there's the reliable "pick the least worse answer" method...

I had trouble with this one too! Can someone please explain it.

redfred22 · Post by **redfred22** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:48 am

Mint-Berry_Crunch wrote:
redfred22 wrote: I've found that I'm so much better when I'm sitting at a nice table in a semi-comfortable chair in a well-lit room. I did section 2LG and section 3LR while sitting in a dim room in an uncomfortable spot. Hopefully that helps prepare me for anything bad on test day, but my test center is pretty nice.
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I have a hard time studying at home for this reason. That and I tend not to go home unless I'm completely done for the day.

Yeah I study at home a lot. I live in a pretty rural area and the library isn't exactly really close. It's a pain to go there, really. Plus I'm not in school now, but that would have been perfect.

But that's what happened. I studied at home in a poorly lit area and horrible seat. At least my test center has big desks and chairs. The first time I took it it was a good experience (except for the score part). But, at least I know that I can partially attribute a little bit of error to that, and that is something that is easily fixable.

Mint-Berry_Crunch · Post by **Mint-Berry_Crunch** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:51 am

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Mint-Berry_Crunch · Post by **Mint-Berry_Crunch** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:01 pm

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appind · Post by **appind** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:32 pm

Judgeasaurus_Rex wrote:
Mint-Berry_Crunch wrote:PT62 S2 Q8.
I'm having a hard time visualizing this one.

[+] Spoiler
so the argument is: risk is exaggerated since a fatal catastrophe is unlikely since each stage has a well designed backup plan. So the TCR says that this is a part to whole fallacy, just because each stage has a good backup and therefore low risk, that doesn't necessarily mean that entire mission itself has low risk.

Sure, I get the idea that the cumulative risk can add up. But for this question, the stages are separate. You don't exist in two different stages at a time. So for example. Stage 1 is launch. Well the stim tells us that there's a backup. Stage 2 is like, cruising through space. There's a backup. You're not launching and cruising through space at the same time. So you can't add the risk. The risk remains tied to the stage. In a sense, the stages are wholes in themselves. This isn't like other parts to wholes where the parts are functioning at the same time, here they're distinctly separated or else there not stages.
Thoughts?

I mean there's the reliable "pick the least worse answer" method...
I had trouble with this one too! Can someone please explain it.

the tcr is right. explanation in spoiler

[+] Spoiler: the stages are separate and the risks for these stages are tied to these stages alone. but the conclusion is about the risk associated with the whole journey. the overall risk for the whole journey would be much more than than for any individual stage. you couldn't just add the risks, but you could compute it. for a journey that has two stages such that there is 40% risk of failure for each stage, the risk of failure for the whole journey is (1- chances of success) which is 74% (= 1-0.6*0.6). so even though success is likely at each individual stage, success is unlikely for the whole journey.

ugg · Post by **ugg** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:34 pm

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PoopNpants · Post by **PoopNpants** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:07 pm

Anyone here got tips on a good warm up pre- PTing?

Monkey D Luffy · Post by **Monkey D Luffy** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:17 pm

I'm about to start PT 65 soon. WIsh me luck....

redfred22 · Post by **redfred22** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:22 pm

Monkey D Luffy wrote:I'm about to start PT 65 soon. WIsh me luck....

GL HF!

appind · Post by **appind** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:36 pm

gamerish wrote: I have free printing at school so I take ridiculous advantage of that print out all my stuff, usually multiple times.

The game that tripped me up was that bike game. I didn't think it was too difficult per say but, in retrospect, I didn't spend enough time on my initial diagram (the thing I said about splitting was actually for the fourth game which I got -0 on) and probably missed some super key inferences which made the last three questions on that game EXTREMELY time consuming so I rushed through them.

Congrats on the -0 on LR!

I thought bike game was pretty tough with regards to questions, many of them you had to brute force. iirc I missed probably the whole g4 due to the time bike game took.

did anyone usually good with lg find 32lg hard? did it yesterday and couldn't finish the last game of kittens and puppy. the game was not hard really but i started it at 30:25 time mark. I'm finding 7sage "target time" for some of these to be unreliable. It gives g3/g4 target time as 12 min/7min and I took 8:30 min/14min.

same goes with 7sage rc section "difficulty rating" which is same at 5 for all rc sections.

Judgeasaurus_Rex · Post by **Judgeasaurus_Rex** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:40 pm

appind wrote:
gamerish wrote: I have free printing at school so I take ridiculous advantage of that print out all my stuff, usually multiple times.

The game that tripped me up was that bike game. I didn't think it was too difficult per say but, in retrospect, I didn't spend enough time on my initial diagram (the thing I said about splitting was actually for the fourth game which I got -0 on) and probably missed some super key inferences which made the last three questions on that game EXTREMELY time consuming so I rushed through them.

Congrats on the -0 on LR!
I thought bike game was pretty tough with regards to questions, many of them you had to brute force. iirc I missed probably the whole g4 due to the time bike game took.

did anyone usually good with lg find 32lg hard? did it yesterday and couldn't finish the last game of kittens and puppy. the game was not hard really but i started it at 30:25 time mark. I'm finding 7sage "target time" for some of these to be unreliable. It gives g3/g4 target time as 12 min/7min and I took 8:30 min/14min.

same goes with 7sage rc section "difficulty rating" which is same at 5 for all rc sections.

I think that the difficulty rating is just based on the answer spread of all of their users. It just means that most people on 7 sage find RC sections difficult.

flash21 · Post by **flash21** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:55 pm

i HATE questions asking what role a sentence plays in the argument

PoopNpants · Post by **PoopNpants** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:15 pm

That feeling when your doing a PT and finish section 3 and realized you left the RC section back home in your printer tray

appind · Post by **appind** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:46 pm

anyone scoring near perfect in LR who doesn't read all choices for some questions and moves on once sees the right one?

i find myself doing this for 5-8 qs per section.

Mint-Berry_Crunch · Post by **Mint-Berry_Crunch** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:52 pm

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mist4bison · Post by **mist4bison** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:04 pm

flash21 wrote:i HATE questions asking what role a sentence plays in the argument

I used to too, but after drilling they seem a lot easier, just because I know what kind of answers will be thrown in to throw us off. If you aren't already, you should always determine what the answer is before looking at the ACs.

flash21 · Post by **flash21** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:10 pm

I'm going to drill these. thanks for the advice.. not sure why I didn't think of that.

edit:: when I am going to blind review RC I hate it so so badly. does anyone else have a pure hate for blind reviewing certain sections?

mist4bison · Post by **mist4bison** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:10 pm

Mint, Jesus that's early. Is your test center super far from your place?

ETA: Flash, I was seriously missing 50%+ of Role, but drilled and I don't think I've missed one since on a PT.

ETA2: I hate BRing Rc too. I cry inside every single time I have to. It usually takes me forever, because I take long breaks in between passages too. ha

flash21 · Post by **flash21** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:15 pm

lol bison glad to hear someone else feels my pain.. but I just keep thinking of my first LSAT where I got like -12 on RC so I just shut up and do it.

blind review is going really well lately, right now I'm -1 on LR (both) and -1 on games .. bout to do RC (timed was -7).

sanibella · Post by **sanibella** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:40 pm

flash21 wrote:I'm going to drill these. thanks for the advice.. not sure why I didn't think of that.

edit:: when I am going to blind review RC I hate it so so badly. does anyone else have a pure hate for blind reviewing certain sections?

Just drilled these today, actually!

204Wpg · Post by **204Wpg** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:52 pm

Monkey D Luffy wrote:I'm about to start PT 65 soon. WIsh me luck....

Let me know how it goes! Just finished myself, I'll spare you any details until you're done.

Also, I've been watching this thread for the past couple months and just finally decided to make an account - I've been studying since May (although mostly only since Aug. 20th when I got back from a trip) and have just written 4 full 5-section PTs now. (Super prep A [173], B [179], PT 50 [168} *welp* and finally today 165 [176]).

Good luck to everyone, I'm looking forward to sharing these last two exciting, painful weeks with you all!