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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by pushsum123 » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:02 pm

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pushsum123 wrote:Checking in. Gonna see how the rest of this cycle plays out, but more than likely retaking and reapplying :)
Welcome! It's good that you're keeping your options open.
Thanks :) This site is definitely full of good info... I was pretty opposed to the idea of retaking when I applied this cycle, but honestly with a better score I could be graduating from law school with minimal debt, so it's worth checking my ego and hitting the LSAT books. As of now my best option is a full ride at a lower T1 or half-tuition at a mid T14 + boat loads of loans.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by peppermint » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:07 pm

Noooo, I missed all the PWs last night! :(

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by Smallville » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:07 pm

Dirigo wrote:Pw's by the regulars aren't really that interesting anymore. New people need to step up to the plate.
yeah but idt I ever saw mr bunny

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by Shakawkaw » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:08 pm

Smallville wrote:
Dirigo wrote:Pw's by the regulars aren't really that interesting anymore. New people need to step up to the plate.
yeah but idt I ever saw mr bunny
He's PW'd a few times.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by Shakawkaw » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:09 pm

Smallville wrote:
santoki wrote:deer lord

i missed some PWs

but thank the heavens i missed shaks
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I dont get it... shes purdy :P
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Also, QFNarcissisticPurposes. :mrgreen:

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by ChoboPie » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:15 pm

biggestlawman wrote:
I see a lot of posts saying that the Trainer was useless, that it was very basic, etc. Is there a need to do the Trainer when I plan on doing the MLSAT books? I just want to make sure that I am not wasting my time.
Trainer and MLSAT felt really similar (not surprising given Mike Kim cowrote the original MLSAT stuff). I feel like there's enough redundancies such that if you already go through one, it probably won't help too much to go through the other, and it's by no means necessary. The biggest difference is that Trainer tries to take a really broad, "forest rather than trees" approach, which I think is cool. But either way, you'll end up learning the categories/q+game types anyways, and in the end, you'll prob have the basics down regardless of whether you go through MLSAT or the Trainer.

For LG, the methods are almost identical, except, off the top of my head:
1. MLSAT uses a really, really weird and mechanical way of doing conditional-heavy games that isn't simple link up (2 column vertical tree).
2. MLSAT uses more than one row for complex ordering games, while The Trainer uses only one row + subscripts (for me, the former felt a lot easier to keep track of for most games, but it's really personal preference)
3. Slight notational differences (i.e.: A _ _ ... vs. A _ _ + for 2 or more things are after A)

Trainer and MLSAT are insanely similar in LR too, except Trainer emphasizes a more flaw-focused mindset, while MLSAT focuses on just argument core. They're both advocating the same approach though: what's conclusion, what's support, what's the gap, learn the different question types, profit

Don't really remember any significant differences for RC except Mike Kim goes hardcore on the mindset of trying to get the purpose of each sentence, while MLSAT focuses on paragraph-by-paragraph main points. In essence, they both emphasize the same general idea of reading for structure rather than details. Honestly, I didn't find either too helpful for RC.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by Shakawkaw » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:16 pm

santoki wrote:is there anything worse than working with coworkers who are negative/depressing 24/7?

(besides working w shak obvi)
:roll:
Don't even, my coworkers love me. My office shtick is that I end the day with a punny joke.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by The Abyss » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:19 pm

santoki wrote:is there anything worse than working with coworkers who are negative/depressing 24/7?

(besides working w shak obvi)
Yeah, coworkers who smoke are worse. I can tune someone out, but I can't avoid that awful smell.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by JackelJ » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:21 pm

santoki wrote:
Shakawkaw wrote:
JackelJ wrote:no one is fb friends with me :(
I would FB add tf out of you, Jackel. PM me. ;)
i would absolutely hesitate to add Jackel
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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by Shakawkaw » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:26 pm

santoki wrote:
The Abyss wrote:
santoki wrote:is there anything worse than working with coworkers who are negative/depressing 24/7?

(besides working w shak obvi)
Yeah, coworkers who smoke are worse. I can tune someone out, but I can't avoid that awful smell.
how about negative and depressing coworkers who smoke? (my coworkers)
You complain an awful lot.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by biggestlawman » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:40 pm

ChoboPie wrote:
biggestlawman wrote:
I see a lot of posts saying that the Trainer was useless, that it was very basic, etc. Is there a need to do the Trainer when I plan on doing the MLSAT books? I just want to make sure that I am not wasting my time.
Trainer and MLSAT felt really similar (not surprising given Mike Kim cowrote the original MLSAT stuff). I feel like there's enough redundancies such that if you already go through one, it probably won't help too much to go through the other, and it's by no means necessary. The biggest difference is that Trainer tries to take a really broad, "forest rather than trees" approach, which I think is cool. But either way, you'll end up learning the categories/q+game types anyways, and in the end, you'll prob have the basics down regardless of whether you go through MLSAT or the Trainer.

For LG, the methods are almost identical, except, off the top of my head:
1. MLSAT uses a really, really weird and mechanical way of doing conditional-heavy games that isn't simple link up (2 column vertical tree).
2. MLSAT uses more than one row for complex ordering games, while The Trainer uses only one row + subscripts (for me, the former felt a lot easier to keep track of for most games, but it's really personal preference)
3. Slight notational differences (i.e.: A _ _ ... vs. A _ _ + for 2 or more things are after A)


Trainer and MLSAT are insanely similar in LR too, except Trainer emphasizes a more flaw-focused mindset, while MLSAT focuses on just argument core. They're both advocating the same approach though: what's conclusion, what's support, what's the gap, learn the different question types, profit

Don't really remember any significant differences for RC except Mike Kim goes hardcore on the mindset of trying to get the purpose of each sentence, while MLSAT focuses on paragraph-by-paragraph main points. In essence, they both emphasize the same general idea of reading for structure rather than details. Honestly, I didn't find either too helpful for RC.

Thanks for such a detailed reply. I love that everyone is holding hands over here! :P

I might just slog both the Trainer and the MLSATs. There is plenty of time, so why not?

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

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Failed twice in posting a video here. Smh.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by Rigo » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:49 pm

biggestlawman wrote:Failed twice in posting a video here. Smh.
You can't until 100 posts.
(Should be raised to 1k tbh)

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by biggestlawman » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:51 pm

Dirigo wrote:
biggestlawman wrote:Failed twice in posting a video here. Smh.
You can't until 100 posts.
(Should be raised to 1k tbh)
Really?? :roll:

BTW, 8000+ posts!!!! WTF!!!!!!

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Post by Shakawkaw » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:52 pm

Rigo, why is your post count so high?

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by biggestlawman » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:55 pm

So, what does everyone do? Just curious, now that I am discovering that I might be living here for the next few months. No need to give company name and address, just general description.

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Post by Shakawkaw » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:57 pm

biggestlawman wrote:So, what does everyone do? Just curious, now that I am discovering that I might be living here for the next few months. No need to give company name and address, just general description.
DO NOT QUOTE.

I would take OP's advice and lie about aspects of my identity, so I don't out myself when applications come around. However, here goes nothing:

I am POTUS.

ETA: Is being POTUS, coupled with doing Birthright, good softs for HYS?
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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by biggestlawman » Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:59 pm

Shakawkaw wrote:
biggestlawman wrote:So, what does everyone do? Just curious, now that I am discovering that I might be living here for the next few months. No need to give company name and address, just general description.
I would take OP's advice and lie about aspects of my identity, so I don't out myself when applications come around. However, here goes nothing:

I am POTUS.

ETA: Is being POTUS, coupled with doing Birthright, good softs for HYS?
Does POTUS know how to do a LOTUS posture?

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