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The Official June 2015 Study Group Forum
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- peppermint

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Noooo, I missed all the PWs last night! 
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yeah but idt I ever saw mr bunnyDirigo wrote:Pw's by the regulars aren't really that interesting anymore. New people need to step up to the plate.
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He's PW'd a few times.Smallville wrote:yeah but idt I ever saw mr bunnyDirigo wrote:Pw's by the regulars aren't really that interesting anymore. New people need to step up to the plate.
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Smallville wrote:I dont get it... shes purdysantoki wrote:deer lord
i missed some PWs
but thank the heavens i missed shaks
Also, QFNarcissisticPurposes.
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Trainer and MLSAT felt really similar (not surprising given Mike Kim cowrote the original MLSAT stuff). I feel like there's enough redundancies such that if you already go through one, it probably won't help too much to go through the other, and it's by no means necessary. The biggest difference is that Trainer tries to take a really broad, "forest rather than trees" approach, which I think is cool. But either way, you'll end up learning the categories/q+game types anyways, and in the end, you'll prob have the basics down regardless of whether you go through MLSAT or the Trainer.biggestlawman wrote:
I see a lot of posts saying that the Trainer was useless, that it was very basic, etc. Is there a need to do the Trainer when I plan on doing the MLSAT books? I just want to make sure that I am not wasting my time.
For LG, the methods are almost identical, except, off the top of my head:
1. MLSAT uses a really, really weird and mechanical way of doing conditional-heavy games that isn't simple link up (2 column vertical tree).
2. MLSAT uses more than one row for complex ordering games, while The Trainer uses only one row + subscripts (for me, the former felt a lot easier to keep track of for most games, but it's really personal preference)
3. Slight notational differences (i.e.: A _ _ ... vs. A _ _ + for 2 or more things are after A)
Trainer and MLSAT are insanely similar in LR too, except Trainer emphasizes a more flaw-focused mindset, while MLSAT focuses on just argument core. They're both advocating the same approach though: what's conclusion, what's support, what's the gap, learn the different question types, profit
Don't really remember any significant differences for RC except Mike Kim goes hardcore on the mindset of trying to get the purpose of each sentence, while MLSAT focuses on paragraph-by-paragraph main points. In essence, they both emphasize the same general idea of reading for structure rather than details. Honestly, I didn't find either too helpful for RC.
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santoki wrote:is there anything worse than working with coworkers who are negative/depressing 24/7?
(besides working w shak obvi)
Don't even, my coworkers love me. My office shtick is that I end the day with a punny joke.
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Yeah, coworkers who smoke are worse. I can tune someone out, but I can't avoid that awful smell.santoki wrote:is there anything worse than working with coworkers who are negative/depressing 24/7?
(besides working w shak obvi)
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santoki wrote:i would absolutely hesitate to add JackelShakawkaw wrote:I would FB add tf out of you, Jackel. PM me.JackelJ wrote:no one is fb friends with me

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You complain an awful lot.santoki wrote:how about negative and depressing coworkers who smoke? (my coworkers)The Abyss wrote:Yeah, coworkers who smoke are worse. I can tune someone out, but I can't avoid that awful smell.santoki wrote:is there anything worse than working with coworkers who are negative/depressing 24/7?
(besides working w shak obvi)
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ChoboPie wrote:Trainer and MLSAT felt really similar (not surprising given Mike Kim cowrote the original MLSAT stuff). I feel like there's enough redundancies such that if you already go through one, it probably won't help too much to go through the other, and it's by no means necessary. The biggest difference is that Trainer tries to take a really broad, "forest rather than trees" approach, which I think is cool. But either way, you'll end up learning the categories/q+game types anyways, and in the end, you'll prob have the basics down regardless of whether you go through MLSAT or the Trainer.biggestlawman wrote:
I see a lot of posts saying that the Trainer was useless, that it was very basic, etc. Is there a need to do the Trainer when I plan on doing the MLSAT books? I just want to make sure that I am not wasting my time.
For LG, the methods are almost identical, except, off the top of my head:
1. MLSAT uses a really, really weird and mechanical way of doing conditional-heavy games that isn't simple link up (2 column vertical tree).
2. MLSAT uses more than one row for complex ordering games, while The Trainer uses only one row + subscripts (for me, the former felt a lot easier to keep track of for most games, but it's really personal preference)
3. Slight notational differences (i.e.: A _ _ ... vs. A _ _ + for 2 or more things are after A)
Trainer and MLSAT are insanely similar in LR too, except Trainer emphasizes a more flaw-focused mindset, while MLSAT focuses on just argument core. They're both advocating the same approach though: what's conclusion, what's support, what's the gap, learn the different question types, profit
Don't really remember any significant differences for RC except Mike Kim goes hardcore on the mindset of trying to get the purpose of each sentence, while MLSAT focuses on paragraph-by-paragraph main points. In essence, they both emphasize the same general idea of reading for structure rather than details. Honestly, I didn't find either too helpful for RC.
Thanks for such a detailed reply. I love that everyone is holding hands over here!
I might just slog both the Trainer and the MLSATs. There is plenty of time, so why not?
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Failed twice in posting a video here. Smh.
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You can't until 100 posts.biggestlawman wrote:Failed twice in posting a video here. Smh.
(Should be raised to 1k tbh)
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Really??Dirigo wrote:You can't until 100 posts.biggestlawman wrote:Failed twice in posting a video here. Smh.
(Should be raised to 1k tbh)
BTW, 8000+ posts!!!! WTF!!!!!!
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Rigo, why is your post count so high?
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So, what does everyone do? Just curious, now that I am discovering that I might be living here for the next few months. No need to give company name and address, just general description.
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DO NOT QUOTE.biggestlawman wrote:So, what does everyone do? Just curious, now that I am discovering that I might be living here for the next few months. No need to give company name and address, just general description.
I would take OP's advice and lie about aspects of my identity, so I don't out myself when applications come around. However, here goes nothing:
I am POTUS.
ETA: Is being POTUS, coupled with doing Birthright, good softs for HYS?
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Does POTUS know how to do a LOTUS posture?Shakawkaw wrote:I would take OP's advice and lie about aspects of my identity, so I don't out myself when applications come around. However, here goes nothing:biggestlawman wrote:So, what does everyone do? Just curious, now that I am discovering that I might be living here for the next few months. No need to give company name and address, just general description.
I am POTUS.
ETA: Is being POTUS, coupled with doing Birthright, good softs for HYS?
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