The Official June 2016 Study Group Forum

[ayylmao]

Today is my off day. No LSAT studying at all. I think I've been a little burned out recently, so this will do me some mental good. I think I'll just take 2 more PTs before test day: 75 and 76. Sounds reasonable, right?

do you still do other things like work on an off day?

Not today. Just lazed around and longboarded a bit.

[Tiwinkle12]

What are the most difficult LSAT reading comprehension passages?

https://www.powerscore.com/lsat/help/rc ... ssages.cfm

this list seems a bit outdated with lots of old rc

innate talent (71)

lichtenstein passage isn't in this list. it's in a non-modern pt, but is more difficult than most recent passages

can old RC passages be too old? I don't think there are many, if any, differences between then and now. idk for sure. but I think OP is just looking for difficult passages regardless of which PT it's from.

There's definitely a difference between old and new reading sections. The older ones, especially the ones around PT18,7,9 etcc(like early 1990s) seem to be tougher to read and longer and the questions seem to rely a lot more on going back to the text to find references. Meanwhile the newer ones require applying more logic to the reading and making inferences that require you to connect the dots instead of pick up on the overall tone or a subtle detail mentioned in the passage.

if you're someone who gets -0/-1 on the newer RC, then you may not feel any difference as it's about the same you'd score in the old rc. but many who score around -2/-3 in old rc may find themselves scoring -6/-7 in the new rc.

it's hard to say exactly where this difference in difficulty lies. but newer rc does seem to have a few questions that are based on synthesizing information and even details from various parts of the passage. some passages have a very subtle main point unlike old rc. case in point, equipoise passage or the innate talent passage. it only takes 1 hard question per passage to going from scoring around -2 to around -6, but the impact on score is significant.

Is there any way that any of you are honing your RC skills? I know people say that it's an amalgamation of your reading skills. I found this blog where someone has posted numerous wikipedia articles. I feel like if I read those, it'll prepare me to get into a habit of reading articles that may not be of most interest to me. I feel like that will hopefully help augment my RC score. I just wanted to know if there is anything else anyone is doing? I took pretest 50 a couple of days ago and I got 14 incorrect on the RC. I pretty much got all of the questions wrong on the last passage about the riddled basins. It really worries me! I feel like I can improve on my LR score by reviewing what I got wrong and taking time to understand why I got it wrong. Also, LG seems to be no problem. However, I feel like I get so many wrong on the RC. I do not know how to get better at answering the questions especially the inference questions and some of the tricky main point questions.

[CottonHarvest]

How many points have you guys added since you finished your course or prep books and started focusing on PT and BR?

[Mikey]

How many points have you guys added since you finished your course or prep books and started focusing on PT and BR?

The majority of people in this group self study. I myself do, and I am PTing around 22 points above my diagnostic.

[appind]

Today is my off day. No LSAT studying at all. I think I've been a little burned out recently, so this will do me some mental good. I think I'll just take 2 more PTs before test day: 75 and 76. Sounds reasonable, right?

do you still do other things like work on an off day?

Not today. Just lazed around and longboarded a bit.

that's the spirit

srsly tho, how come so many on this thread keep plugging away at lsat prep without outletting thru some means like the forum

and, aren't there lsat q that stump and bug for days even 180ers?

[ayylmao]

How many points have you guys added since you finished your course or prep books and started focusing on PT and BR?

Tough to draw that kind of line for me just because of how I studied. But I'm about 20 points above my diagnostic.

[TAD]

How many points have you guys added since you finished your course or prep books and started focusing on PT and BR?

Course brought me up 10 points (only really helped on logic games) brought myself up another 10-15 points after

Most of my practice tests and br were done while self studying the concepts so didn't really have much exclusive pt/br time

[appind]

(I'm going to write out my last 4 hours like an LG problem, but I am 100% serious all of this is happening to me)

My attorney just yelled at me for like 30 minutes because we have five documents that need to be legalized, and six that need to be submitted to the associate(s) on July 11, and he does not understand which ones are which (also I forgot to send two out for legalization.)

2 certified copies of a priority document, two POAs, one assignment, and one certificate of incorporation.

3 each by the Saudi Consulate, 3 by the Kuwait consulate.

Only one of the Saudi documents does not need to be legalized, and its a Cert. Copy.

that yelling part can be a downer

what you do?

[mjjames]

Has anyone else noticed a significant drop in PT scores starting around PT 72? I was consistently hitting 175 - 178 through PT 71 but haven't hit above a 174 since. Just took 76 and got a 170. I'm trying to figure out if the tests have actually gotten harder or if I may be suffering from burnout and need to pull back a bit before the June test.

[appind]

more drills

33 lg -2 (33:30 min)
34 lg -2 (34:40 min) (one q i read min for max)

27 lr1 -3 (35:00 min) all three very stupid mistakes

all of these were really silly mistakes due to either rushing or not ready correctly. if only i could cut these down

[appind]

Has anyone else noticed a significant drop in PT scores starting around PT 72? I was consistently hitting 175 - 178 through PT 71 but haven't hit above a 174 since. Just took 76 and got a 170. I'm trying to figure out if the tests have actually gotten harder or if I may be suffering from burnout and need to pull back a bit before the June test.

there is a shift in some sections since late 60, but not so much to make this big difference. it depends if your drop is due to those changes.

what were your typical section scores before the drop and after?

[Hennessy]

How many points have you guys added since you finished your course or prep books and started focusing on PT and BR?

The majority of people in this group self study. I myself do, and I am PTing around 22 points above my diagnostic.

i'm only prepping 10 points above my diagnostic

oh well

i should have taken more tests

[Hennessy]

i had such a terrible day at work that i'm taking the night off to get drunk and watch Buffy

[mjjames]

there is a shift in some sections since late 60, but not so much to make this big difference. it depends if your drop is due to those changes.

what were your typical section scores before the drop and after?

The drop has been coming primarily from RC sections. I've been getting -4 to -6 regularly since PT 72, from -3 to -0 pre-72.

[pretzeltime]

there is a shift in some sections since late 60, but not so much to make this big difference. it depends if your drop is due to those changes.

what were your typical section scores before the drop and after?

The drop has been coming primarily from RC sections. I've been getting -4 to -6 regularly since PT 72, from -3 to -0 pre-72.

I think that is common, RCs do get a bit harder in the 70s.

HOWEVER, do you think there is any possibility that you are burned out on RC and not able to put your complete effort into practice sections of it? Like, maybe you're putting 95% effort but not that last 5%?

I think that can happen with burnout and RC is the section most likely to suffer if that is the case because it requires a longer attention span/does not have answer that are as clear cut.

I thought I had the same problem as you but recently took pt75 and got 0 wrong on RC, hoping to perform similarly tomorrow on 76.

But if others have theories?

[forum_user]

Today is my off day. No LSAT studying at all. I think I've been a little burned out recently, so this will do me some mental good. I think I'll just take 2 more PTs before test day: 75 and 76. Sounds reasonable, right?

do you still do other things like work on an off day?

Not today. Just lazed around and longboarded a bit.

that's the spirit

srsly tho, how come so many on this thread keep plugging away at lsat prep without outletting thru some means like the forum

and, aren't there lsat q that stump and bug for days even 180ers?

I'm definitely still bugged by the Shakespeare question on PT77.

[forum_user]

there is a shift in some sections since late 60, but not so much to make this big difference. it depends if your drop is due to those changes.

what were your typical section scores before the drop and after?

The drop has been coming primarily from RC sections. I've been getting -4 to -6 regularly since PT 72, from -3 to -0 pre-72.

I think that is common, RCs do get a bit harder in the 70s.

HOWEVER, do you think there is any possibility that you are burned out on RC and not able to put your complete effort into practice sections of it? Like, maybe you're putting 95% effort but not that last 5%?

I think that can happen with burnout and RC is the section most likely to suffer if that is the case because it requires a longer attention span/does not have answer that are as clear cut.

I thought I had the same problem as you but recently took pt75 and got 0 wrong on RC, hoping to perform similarly tomorrow on 76.

But if others have theories?

Yeah this is a tough one to solve because the variables so often line up such that it's equally likely to be burnout or the fact that the tests are different, since almost everyone saves the 70s for their last tests. Really though I don't think there's all that much difference between the 60s and 70s in terms of RC.

[pretzeltime]

there is a shift in some sections since late 60, but not so much to make this big difference. it depends if your drop is due to those changes.

what were your typical section scores before the drop and after?

The drop has been coming primarily from RC sections. I've been getting -4 to -6 regularly since PT 72, from -3 to -0 pre-72.

I think that is common, RCs do get a bit harder in the 70s.

HOWEVER, do you think there is any possibility that you are burned out on RC and not able to put your complete effort into practice sections of it? Like, maybe you're putting 95% effort but not that last 5%?

I think that can happen with burnout and RC is the section most likely to suffer if that is the case because it requires a longer attention span/does not have answer that are as clear cut.

I thought I had the same problem as you but recently took pt75 and got 0 wrong on RC, hoping to perform similarly tomorrow on 76.

But if others have theories?

Yeah this is a tough one to solve because the variables so often line up such that it's equally likely to be burnout or the fact that the tests are different, since almost everyone saves the 70s for their last tests. Really though I don't think there's all that much difference between the 60s and 70s in terms of RC.

Agreed, you're right.

One thing that is harder or more annoying about recent RCs is the questions which are about an extended analogy. Like "The situation of computer scientists making 3D models for architecture projects is most analogous to which of the following: A) A baby crying into the night but no one hears her B) A seamstress who works primarily with silk but switches to cotton when she's in a bad mood C) A pizza delivery person who moonlights as an ER doctor"

It's like WHAT THE FUCK THO

[forum_user]

Agreed, you're right.

One thing that is harder or more annoying about recent RCs is the questions which are about an extended analogy. Like "The situation of computer scientists making 3D models for architecture projects is most analogous to which of the following: A) A baby crying into the night but no one hears her B) A seamstress who works primarily with silk but switches to cotton when she's in a bad mood C) A pizza delivery person who moonlights as an ER doctor"

It's like WHAT THE FUCK THO

Haha yeah it's like they figured out a way to take parallel questions from LR and incorporate them into RC

[Hennessy]

there is a shift in some sections since late 60, but not so much to make this big difference. it depends if your drop is due to those changes.

what were your typical section scores before the drop and after?

The drop has been coming primarily from RC sections. I've been getting -4 to -6 regularly since PT 72, from -3 to -0 pre-72.

I think that is common, RCs do get a bit harder in the 70s.

HOWEVER, do you think there is any possibility that you are burned out on RC and not able to put your complete effort into practice sections of it? Like, maybe you're putting 95% effort but not that last 5%?

I think that can happen with burnout and RC is the section most likely to suffer if that is the case because it requires a longer attention span/does not have answer that are as clear cut.

I thought I had the same problem as you but recently took pt75 and got 0 wrong on RC, hoping to perform similarly tomorrow on 76.

But if others have theories?

Yeah this is a tough one to solve because the variables so often line up such that it's equally likely to be burnout or the fact that the tests are different, since almost everyone saves the 70s for their last tests. Really though I don't think there's all that much difference between the 60s and 70s in terms of RC.

Agreed, you're right.

One thing that is harder or more annoying about recent RCs is the questions which are about an extended analogy. Like "The situation of computer scientists making 3D models for architecture projects is most analogous to which of the following: A) A baby crying into the night but no one hears her B) A seamstress who works primarily with silk but switches to cotton when she's in a bad mood C) A pizza delivery person who moonlights as an ER doctor"

It's like WHAT THE FUCK THO

these all sound like Twilight Zone episode plot points

[somethingElse]

GOOD MORNING UPPER EAST SIDERS!!

[Hennessy]

GOOD MORNING UPPER EAST SIDERS!!

wanna get lunch

[somethingElse]

GOOD MORNING UPPER EAST SIDERS!!

wanna get lunch

Haha I don't actually live in NYC (yet) I was just quoting GOSSIP GIRL! xoxo

[Hennessy]

GOOD MORNING UPPER EAST SIDERS!!

wanna get lunch

Haha I don't actually live in NYC (yet) I was just quoting GOSSIP GIRL! xoxo

oh, duh

[pretzeltime]

GOOD MORNING UPPER EAST SIDERS!!

How's this Friday treatin you, boo?

Can I call you boo

sure