The Official June 2016 Study Group Forum

[carasrook]

Thanks everyone. TLS really is a friend. I'm so glad we have the Internet to connect us all. And that's good about the 74/75 bc I did well on those. I'm literally just trying to increase my score any way I can.

Sidebar I'm BRing this now and I'm like wtf at how wordy they are. It's so obvious they do it on purpose. "Polls of those who graduated more than 5yrs ago before being polled show a higher percentage of people in favor of reducing social services than do polls in the overall" I remember reading this and rolling my eyes at LSAC

Also can anyone link me to a good explanation of game three of PT77? I just did it correctly I believe without much struggle just want to make sure my method was the most efficient.

Aaalways 7sage. The game explanations are free. https://7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsa ... -3-game-3/

[appind]

Hello page 106. I am officially entering myself into this thread.

MY STORY:

Read the bibles January-April 2015
April 2015-June 2015 - Powerscore course, instructor taught me this weird inductive algorithmic method to brute force answers which is good most of the time, unless one game takes up some extra time. I've been doing a mix of inductive and deductive now, trying to do more deductive but I have a need to check my answers which I'm trying to squash. Studied really hard at nights.
Right before October 2015 test, STRESSED OUT terribly that I would do super poorly on the day of the test. Finished taking all the PTs. Was going consistently well on LR with lots of time left, RC was eh (4-6 wrong) and LG was either hit or miss, depending on the games...could be -0/1, could be -4/5, was ranging 164-169 pretty consistently with a few outliers.

Got a 166, somehow got EIGHT wrong on LR1, and got all tangled in LG..decided to retake because 167 was my retake threshold.
April - now - been taking 1-2 PTs (that I already took) each week. Ranging in score 167-175 - nothing higher or lower, thought I was doing well and was doing really well on LG, except today....

Took a day off of work, drove 45 minutes to the test center, and took PT77 in the school's library. PT77 was the only test I hadn't done before. Got a 165. -5 on RC (rushed the last passage), -6 LR1 (could feel it being crappy, time was tight), -4 on LG (wtf game 3, took too long and had to half heartedly do last game, which miraculously only one wrong), and -3 LR2 (felt okay, but usually when I feel ok it's -1)

My question...WHAT DO I DO? I've been doing super well and confident, but then the two most recent tests are scaring me so much for this one in June!!

this sounds pretty similar to where i was before last oct test. -4 on lg is actually not bad for pt-77 due to the crazy game. note that the curve isn't really generous for this pt imo. have you BR'd your lr misses? lr2 was also i think more difficult than lr1 for this pt, so may be look at why you missed many in lr1.

[appind]

What are the most difficult LSAT reading comprehension passages?

!kung (60s), chinese talk story, willa cather (50s pt), equipoise (72), gender identity (77)

[appind]

What are the most difficult LSAT reading comprehension passages?

https://www.powerscore.com/lsat/help/rc ... ssages.cfm

this list seems a bit outdated with lots of old rc

innate talent (71)

lichtenstein passage isn't in this list. it's in a non-modern pt, but is more difficult than most recent passages

[etramak]

I've heard horror stories about "tiny desks." Can any vets confirm this? I think it would be a problem for logic games

[appind]

Hello page 106. I am officially entering myself into this thread.

My question...WHAT DO I DO? I've been doing super well and confident, but then the two most recent tests are scaring me so much for this one in June!!

how many of the 70+ PTs have you taken? and do you do a very thorough blind review?

I've taken them all at least once. I'm still making my way thru my second time for them I guess I should've pushed more to take them sooner. The PT I got a 175 on was 70 or 71. But I took 74 and 75 for the first time right before October 2015 and got a 171 and 168, I remember.

For blind review, I do note which numbers I got wrong without looking at the answer choice, (bc I got confused once and changed my answer on a right one which got me anxious) but I do review all of my circled questions thoroughly and have a pretty good yield rate at getting them right the second time.

for BR, you should really be doing it blind. that is, you only look at your overall pt score without looking at # of misses in each section or what qs you missed. once you have blind reviewed your answers, then you look up individual misses.

[proteinshake]

What are the most difficult LSAT reading comprehension passages?

https://www.powerscore.com/lsat/help/rc ... ssages.cfm

this list seems a bit outdated with lots of old rc

innate talent (71)

lichtenstein passage isn't in this list. it's in a non-modern pt, but is more difficult than most recent passages

can old RC passages be too old? I don't think there are many, if any, differences between then and now. idk for sure. but I think OP is just looking for difficult passages regardless of which PT it's from.

[footballlax55]

What are the most difficult LSAT reading comprehension passages?

https://www.powerscore.com/lsat/help/rc ... ssages.cfm

this list seems a bit outdated with lots of old rc

innate talent (71)

lichtenstein passage isn't in this list. it's in a non-modern pt, but is more difficult than most recent passages

can old RC passages be too old? I don't think there are many, if any, differences between then and now. idk for sure. but I think OP is just looking for difficult passages regardless of which PT it's from.

There's definitely a difference between old and new reading sections. The older ones, especially the ones around PT18,7,9 etcc(like early 1990s) seem to be tougher to read and longer and the questions seem to rely a lot more on going back to the text to find references. Meanwhile the newer ones require applying more logic to the reading and making inferences that require you to connect the dots instead of pick up on the overall tone or a subtle detail mentioned in the passage.

[appind]

What are the most difficult LSAT reading comprehension passages?

https://www.powerscore.com/lsat/help/rc ... ssages.cfm

this list seems a bit outdated with lots of old rc

innate talent (71)

lichtenstein passage isn't in this list. it's in a non-modern pt, but is more difficult than most recent passages

can old RC passages be too old? I don't think there are many, if any, differences between then and now. idk for sure. but I think OP is just looking for difficult passages regardless of which PT it's from.

There's definitely a difference between old and new reading sections. The older ones, especially the ones around PT18,7,9 etcc(like early 1990s) seem to be tougher to read and longer and the questions seem to rely a lot more on going back to the text to find references. Meanwhile the newer ones require applying more logic to the reading and making inferences that require you to connect the dots instead of pick up on the overall tone or a subtle detail mentioned in the passage.

if you're someone who gets -0/-1 on the newer RC, then you may not feel any difference as it's about the same you'd score in the old rc. but many who score around -2/-3 in old rc may find themselves scoring -6/-7 in the new rc.

it's hard to say exactly where this difference in difficulty lies. but newer rc does seem to have a few questions that are based on synthesizing information and even details from various parts of the passage. some passages have a very subtle main point unlike old rc. case in point, equipoise passage or the innate talent passage. it only takes 1 hard question per passage to going from scoring around -2 to around -6, but the impact on score is significant.

[appind]

What are the most difficult LSAT reading comprehension passages?

https://www.powerscore.com/lsat/help/rc ... ssages.cfm

this list seems a bit outdated with lots of old rc

innate talent (71)

lichtenstein passage isn't in this list. it's in a non-modern pt, but is more difficult than most recent passages

can old RC passages be too old? I don't think there are many, if any, differences between then and now. idk for sure. but I think OP is just looking for difficult passages regardless of which PT it's from.

old rc can still be useful to practice so the list is still relevant. it's just likely that unless one is near pefect scorer, they may see a drop in their rc score when they switch to newer rc

[proteinshake]

yeah I actually agree with you, good point!

[darthrevan92]

The fourth pasaage on PT 71 gave me a hard time. The one about mirrors and field of sight.

[pretzeltime]

I've heard horror stories about "tiny desks." Can any vets confirm this? I think it would be a problem for logic games

In December I was in one of those lecture amphitheaters with those small desks you pull out from the side of the chair

Not a horror story but definitely not ideal. Nothing you can do but go with it

[R. Jeeves]

I've heard horror stories about "tiny desks." Can any vets confirm this? I think it would be a problem for logic games

In December I was in one of those lecture amphitheaters with those small desks you pull out from the side of the chair

Not a horror story but definitely not ideal. Nothing you can do but go with it

wtf those rooms with those desks should not be testing centers. That blows.

[pretzeltime]

I've heard horror stories about "tiny desks." Can any vets confirm this? I think it would be a problem for logic games

In December I was in one of those lecture amphitheaters with those small desks you pull out from the side of the chair

Not a horror story but definitely not ideal. Nothing you can do but go with it

wtf those rooms with those desks should not be testing centers. That blows.

Yeah it was kind of upsetting. This guy was like being so huffy about it loudly complaining to the proctors and being all around sassy. But the thing with the classroom setting/proctors is there's just nothing to be done about it. And the proctors couldn't have done anything about it either. Can't move like 100 students to a random other room without any notice.

Just gotta roll with it.

[forum_user]

I've heard horror stories about "tiny desks." Can any vets confirm this? I think it would be a problem for logic games

In December I was in one of those lecture amphitheaters with those small desks you pull out from the side of the chair

Not a horror story but definitely not ideal. Nothing you can do but go with it

This sounds terrible. I also was in a lecture hall, but it had one long table in each row, which actually was ideal because you had like 3 feet of space on either side between you and the next tester.

If you know where you're taking this time around (your ticket should give a room or building by now), I'd recommend trying to google images of the place to get a sense of where you'll be, if you don't have time to visit it in person. A lot of universities will have pictures/videos of those large lecture halls online.

[forum_user]

I've heard horror stories about "tiny desks." Can any vets confirm this? I think it would be a problem for logic games

In December I was in one of those lecture amphitheaters with those small desks you pull out from the side of the chair

Not a horror story but definitely not ideal. Nothing you can do but go with it

wtf those rooms with those desks should not be testing centers. That blows.

Yeah it was kind of upsetting. This guy was like being so huffy about it loudly complaining to the proctors and being all around sassy. But the thing with the classroom setting/proctors is there's just nothing to be done about it. And the proctors couldn't have done anything about it either. Can't move like 100 students to a random other room without any notice.

Just gotta roll with it.

Lol on the contrary, when I took in December we were divided into 4 groups of about 40 each, and my group was led from the main building to another building about a 5 minute walk away. Then we all got checked in, but the proctors didn't have a key to the room we were supposed to be in. So we waited for someone with a key to get here... and we waited... and waited. About half an hour later they finally decided to move us back to the original building and stick us in a room which was apparently available the whole time? So we essentially wasted almost an hour for no reason, all the while being carted back and forth aimlessly.

[pretzeltime]

I've heard horror stories about "tiny desks." Can any vets confirm this? I think it would be a problem for logic games

In December I was in one of those lecture amphitheaters with those small desks you pull out from the side of the chair

Not a horror story but definitely not ideal. Nothing you can do but go with it

wtf those rooms with those desks should not be testing centers. That blows.

Yeah it was kind of upsetting. This guy was like being so huffy about it loudly complaining to the proctors and being all around sassy. But the thing with the classroom setting/proctors is there's just nothing to be done about it. And the proctors couldn't have done anything about it either. Can't move like 100 students to a random other room without any notice.

Just gotta roll with it.

Lol on the contrary, when I took in December we were divided into 4 groups of about 40 each, and my group was led from the main building to another building about a 5 minute walk away. Then we all got checked in, but the proctors didn't have a key to the room we were supposed to be in. So we waited for someone with a key to get here... and we waited... and waited. About half an hour later they finally decided to move us back to the original building and stick us in a room which was apparently available the whole time? So we essentially wasted almost an hour for no reason, all the while being carted back and forth aimlessly.

Eek, that also sounds like an annoying situation.

I guess by "can't" I mean most likely will not. Especially because proctors DGAF if your desk is nice and comfy or not. Siiiigh

I had a friend who used to proctor the LSAT when she was an undergrad...said she would roll up hungover as fuck and did not care about jack shit.

On another note, 11 dayzzzzz y'allllllllllll

[somewhatferal]

The fourth pasaage on PT 71 gave me a hard time. The one about mirrors and field of sight.

Yeah, this and the innate ability passage were bears. 71 was a tough RC test.

[forum_user]

I had a friend who used to proctor the LSAT when she was an undergrad...said she would roll up hungover as fuck and did not care about jack shit.

This... should be illegal.

On another note, 11 dayzzzzz y'allllllllllll

[Hennessy]

On another note, 11 dayzzzzz y'allllllllllll

stfu

[Hennessy]

Also, not enough shitposting ITT

[forum_user]

Also, not enough shitposting ITT

[pretzeltime]

Also, not enough shitposting ITT

well it's barely 10am and I'm already bored AF at work, soooo

[forum_user]

Okay actual post.
Did PT 77 last night--it was the first time I'd touched it since December 5, 2015. Ended up with a 175:
RC: -2
LR: -4 (one more than I missed in Dec wth)
LG: -0

I'm chalking up a couple of the LR misses to being fatigued--for some reason it's just so difficult for me to concentrate at the level required by the tougher LR in the evening. LG of course I knew exactly what was coming, so that's no surprise, but I feel pretty good about RC--I had very little recollection of it beyond the passage topics. My no-mark method seems to come through once again. Just hoping I can replicate this on the 6th.