The Official September 2016 Study Group - WAKE ME UP WHEN SEPTEMBER ENDS Forum

[34iplaw]

K. Just as I thought I was getting good at parallel reasoning, this question with a tiny looking stimulus comes along (ranked 5 difficulty by 7sage) and just makes me feel like I'm an idiot. K.

You are definitely getting good at them. Don't feel like an idiot just because one question gave you a little trouble. After all, if was ranked 5/5, so it was no joke!

Even J.Y said that this question was very troubling for MANY people because you get down to 2 answer choices that are the EXACT same structure as the stimulus. The only thing differentiating the right answer from the other answer that seemed 100% right was something that I would never catch on the real thing. So let's hope for the best I guess, lol.

So I went over them and I got most of them...but I sort of noticed a recurring theme that makes me feel better [sort of]...

Four of the five I missed weren't really the conventional main point/main conclusion questions we covered in class. They were all formatted in the general way:

'Stimulus : blah blah blah
Blah blah blah
Blah blah ____________'

Which one of the following most logically completes the political scientist's argument?

So, it's not good that I missed these. I noted three others in the section that I asterisked by since I was sort of wishy washy on it... confident but not as much as usual... both were that format. There were five other '____' that I was very confident with. I may have miscounted the ones that I was confident with... going to make sure to submit that note in my final ticket... I think I got screwed since, in this homework, I was in the mindset of finding the conclusion in the paragraph and was trying to force a conclusion that wasn't there.

Anyone familiar with these / any advice / what non-Testmasters call the question type? I'd be curious to see if its one I missed on my diagnostics.

[Mikey]

K. Just as I thought I was getting good at parallel reasoning, this question with a tiny looking stimulus comes along (ranked 5 difficulty by 7sage) and just makes me feel like I'm an idiot. K.

You are definitely getting good at them. Don't feel like an idiot just because one question gave you a little trouble. After all, if was ranked 5/5, so it was no joke!

Even J.Y said that this question was very troubling for MANY people because you get down to 2 answer choices that are the EXACT same structure as the stimulus. The only thing differentiating the right answer from the other answer that seemed 100% right was something that I would never catch on the real thing. So let's hope for the best I guess, lol.

So I went over them and I got most of them...but I sort of noticed a recurring theme that makes me feel better [sort of]...

Four of the five I missed weren't really the conventional main point/main conclusion questions we covered in class. They were all formatted in the general way:

'Stimulus : blah blah blah
Blah blah blah
Blah blah ____________'

Which one of the following most logically completes the political scientist's argument?

So, it's not good that I missed these. I noted three others in the section that I asterisked by since I was sort of wishy washy on it... confident but not as much as usual... both were that format. There were five other '____' that I was very confident with. I may have miscounted the ones that I was confident with... going to make sure to submit that note in my final ticket... I think I got screwed since, in this homework, I was in the mindset of finding the conclusion in the paragraph and was trying to force a conclusion that wasn't there.

Anyone familiar with these / any advice / what non-Testmasters call the question type? I'd be curious to see if its one I missed on my diagnostics.

Yeah those types of questions used to be on the LSAT less frequently back in the day as opposed to now, imo. From what I recall, there were a few on the June LSAT but I don't remember. 7sage calls them "Miscellaneous" questions, while the Cambridge packets call them "Complete the passage". I usually approach these differently depending on the info given. I'd love to share strategies of approaching them but I don't really have a solid one besides going into them and just searching for the evidence and putting them together. I kind of approach them like most strongly supported and MBT questions, but a bit differently if that makes sense.. Idk.. If you want, we can discuss a question and I'll try and explain my reasoning for it.

[mwells56]

realistic dream school was a poll in the December thread.

Any school is a realistic dream school if you put enough work in

edit: Or in the case of Cooley, how little fucks you give. Up to you.

[Mikey]

realistic dream school was a poll in the December thread.

Any school is a realistic dream school if you put enough work in

edit: Or in the case of Cooley, how little fucks you give. Up to you.

HEY, Cooley will be in the T14 before we know it, so chill.

[proteinshake]

realistic dream school was a poll in the December thread.

Any school is a realistic dream school if you put enough work in

edit: Or in the case of Cooley, how little fucks you give. Up to you.

HEY, Cooley will be in the T14 before we know it, so chill.

LOL. what I say realistic because some people already know that their GPA will prevent them from schools like Yale, etc.

[proteinshake]

off day tomorrow then gonna spend more time on LG and RC. I think I'm gonna be sick if I look at another LR question (I hope it's not due to burnout).

[mwells56]

realistic dream school was a poll in the December thread.

Any school is a realistic dream school if you put enough work in

edit: Or in the case of Cooley, how little fucks you give. Up to you.

HEY, Cooley will be in the T14 before we know it, so chill.

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/1c/1c8938d1 ... 2d305a.jpg

(I don't know how to post the picture directly on here but you get the idea)

[legallyadog]

7sage has made LR feel so much easier now even though I'm still rusty from taking a month off. It's like I never learned how to truly approach the questions and I was just kinda "brute-forcing" answers, which led to inconsistency. I'm so excited to finally crack LR and get it down to -1/-2 like RC and LG on PTs!!

EDIT: Also officially changing my goal score to 175. Announced it to my boyfriend so he can hold me accountable.

[34iplaw]

What if we convince enough 170+ people to go to Cooley to fill their enrollment?

BREAK THE WHEEL.

[youtube]T0K14HBSWw0[/youtube]

Harvard. Yale. Stanford. They’re all just spokes on a wheel. This one’s on top, then that one’s on top, and on and on it spins, crushing those at Cooley. I’m not going to stop the wheel. I’m going to break the wheel.

[BirdLawExpert]

What if we convince enough 170+ people to go to Cooley to fill their enrollment?

BREAK THE WHEEL.

[youtube]T0K14HBSWw0[/youtube]

Obligatory chaos is a ladder reference.

[Rupert Pupkin]

There are not enough hours in the day, this is ridiculous.
Going to do another set of LG then will have to quit for tonight because I'm too bloody tired for this.
Thus far - 1 RC this morning, mlsat lr ch 6, logic game set of 5, mlsat lr ch 11, lr set.
Doesn't seem like very much at all.

(Lol like why did the one time I'm offered a surprise not-to-be-turned-down full time position have to be the summer I'd set aside for chill LSAT studying. Also this 24 cycle thing is frankly a terrible design.)

You're not alone! Ive been working "more-than" full-time this past month in NY Finance ( an incredible opportunity) and It's been extremely difficult to rack in the right LSAT hours. Im learning consistency is key and utilize your weekends! Haha

Every week Im getting in more of groove and able to accomplish more and more- we can make it through this summer together!

YES. WE CAN DO THIS.

Also shit that sounds like an amazing opportunity but stressful af! I'm glad you're getting in groove. Agreed - consistency and weekends are key. time management! We've got this

When are you doing your PTs? I haven't managed to do a proper one on a workday yet, but that may have to change. (Somehow...)

Amen!!! I havent been doing PTs yet. I am about ready to start. I am going to utilize my weekends for sure and then I have been working out at 5:30/6 AM before work and I havent been working out 2 weekdays to either sleep in before work (if i really need to catch up) or to study. I was thinking of doing a PT in the morning, but I dont think there is quite enough time. If I can get out of work relatively early/normal doing one in the evening is fine, but this week I've been working till 8ish (9 tonight) so Im too tired for a full accurate PT.

What were you thinking?

[20170322]

Just had to rework my entire Fall schedule to make sure I'm good for graduation. Stressful times...

[Barack O'Drama]

7sage has made LR feel so much easier now even though I'm still rusty from taking a month off. It's like I never learned how to truly approach the questions and I was just kinda "brute-forcing" answers, which led to inconsistency. I'm so excited to finally crack LR and get it down to -1/-2 like RC and LG on PTs!!

EDIT: Also officially changing my goal score to 175. Announced it to my boyfriend so he can hold me accountable.

Nice. You're using the whole 7Sage course? I just got the $180 one and thinking about upgrading it, do you think it is worth it?

[Rupert Pupkin]

realistic dream school was a poll in the December thread.

Any school is a realistic dream school if you put enough work in

edit: Or in the case of Cooley, how little fucks you give. Up to you.

I like that

[legallyadog]

7sage has made LR feel so much easier now even though I'm still rusty from taking a month off. It's like I never learned how to truly approach the questions and I was just kinda "brute-forcing" answers, which led to inconsistency. I'm so excited to finally crack LR and get it down to -1/-2 like RC and LG on PTs!!

EDIT: Also officially changing my goal score to 175. Announced it to my boyfriend so he can hold me accountable.

Nice. You're using the whole 7Sage course? I just got the $180 one and thinking about upgrading it, do you think it is worth it?

I just have the $180 course as well. I mostly just wanted the lessons and didn't care about the question sets. I guess it depends if you want more question explanations and question sets.

[Barack O'Drama]

7sage has made LR feel so much easier now even though I'm still rusty from taking a month off. It's like I never learned how to truly approach the questions and I was just kinda "brute-forcing" answers, which led to inconsistency. I'm so excited to finally crack LR and get it down to -1/-2 like RC and LG on PTs!!

EDIT: Also officially changing my goal score to 175. Announced it to my boyfriend so he can hold me accountable.

Nice. You're using the whole 7Sage course? I just got the $180 one and thinking about upgrading it, do you think it is worth it?

I just have the $180 course as well. I mostly just wanted the lessons and didn't care about the question sets. I guess it depends if you want more question explanations and question sets.

Nice! I was thinking of upgrading if the test reviews end up helping me a lot. If not, then I am going to pass. Either way, 7Sage has been such a game changer for me. Can't recommend it enough!

[34iplaw]

Yeah those types of questions used to be on the LSAT less frequently back in the day as opposed to now, imo. From what I recall, there were a few on the June LSAT but I don't remember. 7sage calls them "Miscellaneous" questions, while the Cambridge packets call them "Complete the passage". I usually approach these differently depending on the info given. I'd love to share strategies of approaching them but I don't really have a solid one besides going into them and just searching for the evidence and putting them together. I kind of approach them like most strongly supported and MBT questions, but a bit differently if that makes sense.. Idk.. If you want, we can discuss a question and I'll try and explain my reasoning for it.

Cleaning quote house. I put the questions in a spoiler just so there isn't a inanely long post on here.

My reasoning and answers are in the spoilers. HW4#45 - Oct 04 LR 2 #23 is the one that messed me up the most. The following one, June 07, is an issue as well I think.

HW#30 - Oct 05 LR 2 #12

[+] Spoiler

HW#30

I initially picked [D]. On a second run through knowing I got it wrong, I picked [A]. Initial go, I was deciding between these two answers.

[A] I ended up with via POE this time. I see why it is right. Ultimately, we are saying that the critics are wrong in saying that it is incompatible with western spirit, so it makes sense that the answer is the negation of this statement.
I eliminated this quickly both times. The stimulus says nothing in regards to achieving happiness or any synonym thereof, so we know it isn't necessarily true and cannot be the answer to a main point or main conclusion question.
[C} I eliminated this one quickly both times as well. This has nothing to do with the argument being made other than mentioning a key word or two.
[D] I eliminated this time [initially picked], because I caught the wording in D this time. No where does it say in the stimulus that psychoanalysis provides one with anything. The question I am curious as [and I asked testmasters as well] if the following could be correct 'psychoanalysis allows for the possibility for one to follow a rational life plan'
[E] I eliminated both times. Stimulus makes no mention of other psychological thoughts nor any comparative judgements.

HW4#36 - June 98 LR 1 #1

[+] Spoiler

This is a question I remember being really irritated by the lack of a conclusion in the stimulus.

Both times doing it, I quickly eliminated...

[A] Stimulus indicates no negative tone nor judgement ("overrate") on societies placing emphasis on rules.

Stimulus emphasizes following rules - not not following them - even if its against ones' self interest.

[E] Runs contrary to the stimulus an would indicate a negative judgement from the speaker on societies and their notion of duties, but there is no indication of that.

...

[C] I eliminated the first time. I missed the language trick in further defining what the idea of a duty further contains. I think I had some implicit bias here as well where I thought, 'why would they ever make people follow rules against their own self interest?'

[D] is the original choice I picked, as I didn't like [C]. It didn't seem to violate anything in my mind, but I think I made the mistake of paraphrasing a self-interest to being a duty...although I suppose my interpretation of [D] could also force [C] to be correct and, therein, cannot be correct.

HW4#45 - Oct 04 LR 2 #23

[+] Spoiler

I arrived at [C] both times with this question. I think my thought process for eliminating A, D, and E, was good though and is as follows.

[A] runs contrary to the passage in that 'governments have a strong obligation to ensure that all voice have an equal chance to be heard' and the sort of prevailing theme that big money in politics is bad, but the government shouldn't be footing the bill.

[D] runs contrary to the passage in that 'people should certainly be free, within broad limits, to spend money as they choose' and would also conflict the ideas about equal voices. Why would wealthy people be singled out from donating? Maybe everyone can donate $10.

[E] seemed to be a bit odd. For one, it mentions each candidate and other candidates. There could be candidate A running for some school board position. Should they be able to spend as much as candidate HRC or DJT who is a candidate for POTUS GE? Clearly, that would trigger the idea that candidates outspending rivals is a bad thing.

Given I mixed these two up both times, this is my reasoning while knowing [C] is wrong....

[C] I feel that it is wrong, because it uses 'at a low percentage of their total cost is warranted' whereas a lower percentage could still be way too much. Romney & Obama spent something like $1B each. 10% of that, which would probably qualify as a low percentage, would still be $200M between the two candidates. Perhaps, that is too expensive of a campaign, and, according to the stimulus, the government should not fund it.

I was about to add that [C] forces to be right, but I don't think that's actually correct. I think my initial reason for eliminating was that I felt it ran contrary to the idea that people should be free to spend their money as they choose, but, looking at it now, I suppose that the stipulations in could qualify as some broad or general limitation.

HW4#57 - June 07 LR 1 #8

Odd note, I got this right when I took my initial diagnostic... decided to just check

[+] Spoiler

I confidently eliminated B, C, and D, and, ultimately, chose E over A.

I got rid of, as we don't know anything about the popularity of the cars from the stimulus.

[C] I got rid of, as, like in , we know nothing about the technical problems and whether that's the only thing holding electric cars back.

[D] I eliminated for two reasons. The stimulus doesn't state anywhere that the cars will increase the level of emissions. In addition, A must be true if D is. Proponents think that they will be emission free. If they increase the total level of emissions rather than reduce, it will have a worse environmental consequence than proponents may believe.

As for [E], I, honestly, do not get why it is wrong. In the stimulus, we are given three options for energy to power and charge the batteries. All three are shown to produce considerable environmental damage. We are also told that proponents of the electric car maintain that, when solved, will result in an abatement of the environmental degradation caused by automobile emissions. We are told that these cars, unless new energy sources are built, will not do this. I could see and argument that E proves A to be true and can be wrong on that metric, but I don't see why E is wrong.

[mwells56]

Advantage to still being in Hong Kong for the next two weeks: There doesn't appear to be any Pokemon on Pokemon GO to distract me from the LSAT.

Disadvantage: I'm really really going to want to play when I get home and will be distracted from the LSAT.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Deardevil]

Advantage to still being in Hong Kong for the next two weeks: There doesn't appear to be any Pokemon on Pokemon GO to distract me from the LSAT.

Disadvantage: I'm really really going to want to play when I get home and will be distracted from the LSAT.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I want Sun or Moon already. I was in HK for a bit a month ago. Enjoy your stay!

[Barack O'Drama]

I've been doing a lot better on the LSAT recently and have been feeling really hopeful about reaching the 170s! I really want to get into Yale/Harvard/Stanford and I have the GPA for it. So I decided that I am no longer planning on taking in September and signed up for the December LSAT.

I've been doing really great and believe it or not, that is what motivated me to wait until December to take. I think it will allow me the proper time to really go through the courses and study schedules properly and be confident that I am ready. I want to go in there ready to kill it! If for some reason I end up scoring in the 170s consistently before September, I will write the test then. But I really feel so much more positive that I have the extra time to devote to my studies. When I signed up for September I had no idea how hard it would be to go from a 151 to a 170. The good news is I have developed a great process that is working for me and I don't want to have to speed through what I am doing.

Besides, putting in 6-8 hours a day is sort of burning me out. So I am going to cut back to 4-5 for a bit and see how that works for me. Working and taking the LSAT sucks!

[appind]

anyone know how much of this thread is retakers

would love to see more familiar faces from jun/dec here, or should retakers have their own thread???

[34iplaw]

I've been doing a lot better on the LSAT recently and have been feeling really hopeful about reaching the 170s! I really want to get into Yale/Harvard/Stanford and I have the GPA for it. So I decided that I am no longer planning on taking in September and signed up for the December LSAT.

I've been doing really great and believe it or not, that is what motivated me to wait until December to take. I think it will allow me the proper time to really go through the courses and study schedules properly and be confident that I am ready. I want to go in there ready to kill it! If for some reason I end up scoring in the 170s consistently before September, I will write the test then. But I really feel so much more positive that I have the extra time to devote to my studies. When I signed up for September I had no idea how hard it would be to go from a 151 to a 170. The good news is I have developed a great process that is working for me and I don't want to have to speed through what I am doing.

Besides, putting in 6-8 hours a day is sort of burning me out. So I am going to cut back to 4-5 for a bit and see how that works for me. Working and taking the LSAT sucks!

Don't leave us...

one of us...

one of us...

[mwells56]

I've been doing a lot better on the LSAT recently and have been feeling really hopeful about reaching the 170s! I really want to get into Yale/Harvard/Stanford and I have the GPA for it. So I decided that I am no longer planning on taking in September and signed up for the December LSAT.

I've been doing really great and believe it or not, that is what motivated me to wait until December to take. I think it will allow me the proper time to really go through the courses and study schedules properly and be confident that I am ready. I want to go in there ready to kill it! If for some reason I end up scoring in the 170s consistently before September, I will write the test then. But I really feel so much more positive that I have the extra time to devote to my studies. When I signed up for September I had no idea how hard it would be to go from a 151 to a 170. The good news is I have developed a great process that is working for me and I don't want to have to speed through what I am doing.

Besides, putting in 6-8 hours a day is sort of burning me out. So I am going to cut back to 4-5 for a bit and see how that works for me. Working and taking the LSAT sucks!

Is there a deadline that you can cancel a test-taking date? I'm pretty determined to take in September and think I can get to where I want to be by test day, but on registration day it's going to be harder to tell. I'll only have ~8 weeks of studying done by the registration deadline and am worried about misjudging my progress. I just really want to get this over with ASAP so I can focus on class. The December test is only a week before finals :\

[Barack O'Drama]

I've been doing a lot better on the LSAT recently and have been feeling really hopeful about reaching the 170s! I really want to get into Yale/Harvard/Stanford and I have the GPA for it. So I decided that I am no longer planning on taking in September and signed up for the December LSAT.

I've been doing really great and believe it or not, that is what motivated me to wait until December to take. I think it will allow me the proper time to really go through the courses and study schedules properly and be confident that I am ready. I want to go in there ready to kill it! If for some reason I end up scoring in the 170s consistently before September, I will write the test then. But I really feel so much more positive that I have the extra time to devote to my studies. When I signed up for September I had no idea how hard it would be to go from a 151 to a 170. The good news is I have developed a great process that is working for me and I don't want to have to speed through what I am doing.

Besides, putting in 6-8 hours a day is sort of burning me out. So I am going to cut back to 4-5 for a bit and see how that works for me. Working and taking the LSAT sucks!

Don't leave us...

one of us...

one of us...

I'm never leaving! I will always be a September 2016 Study Group member until the day I die

[Mikey]

Yeah those types of questions used to be on the LSAT less frequently back in the day as opposed to now, imo. From what I recall, there were a few on the June LSAT but I don't remember. 7sage calls them "Miscellaneous" questions, while the Cambridge packets call them "Complete the passage". I usually approach these differently depending on the info given. I'd love to share strategies of approaching them but I don't really have a solid one besides going into them and just searching for the evidence and putting them together. I kind of approach them like most strongly supported and MBT questions, but a bit differently if that makes sense.. Idk.. If you want, we can discuss a question and I'll try and explain my reasoning for it.

Cleaning quote house. I put the questions in a spoiler just so there isn't a inanely long post on here.

My reasoning and answers are in the spoilers. HW4#45 - Oct 04 LR 2 #23 is the one that messed me up the most. The following one, June 07, is an issue as well I think.

HW#30 - Oct 05 LR 2 #12

[+] Spoiler

HW#30

I initially picked [D]. On a second run through knowing I got it wrong, I picked [A]. Initial go, I was deciding between these two answers.

[A] I ended up with via POE this time. I see why it is right. Ultimately, we are saying that the critics are wrong in saying that it is incompatible with western spirit, so it makes sense that the answer is the negation of this statement.
I eliminated this quickly both times. The stimulus says nothing in regards to achieving happiness or any synonym thereof, so we know it isn't necessarily true and cannot be the answer to a main point or main conclusion question.
[C} I eliminated this one quickly both times as well. This has nothing to do with the argument being made other than mentioning a key word or two.
[D] I eliminated this time [initially picked], because I caught the wording in D this time. No where does it say in the stimulus that psychoanalysis provides one with anything. The question I am curious as [and I asked testmasters as well] if the following could be correct 'psychoanalysis allows for the possibility for one to follow a rational life plan'
[E] I eliminated both times. Stimulus makes no mention of other psychological thoughts nor any comparative judgements.

HW4#36 - June 98 LR 1 #1

[+] Spoiler

This is a question I remember being really irritated by the lack of a conclusion in the stimulus.

Both times doing it, I quickly eliminated...

[A] Stimulus indicates no negative tone nor judgement ("overrate") on societies placing emphasis on rules.

Stimulus emphasizes following rules - not not following them - even if its against ones' self interest.

[E] Runs contrary to the stimulus an would indicate a negative judgement from the speaker on societies and their notion of duties, but there is no indication of that.

...

[C] I eliminated the first time. I missed the language trick in further defining what the idea of a duty further contains. I think I had some implicit bias here as well where I thought, 'why would they ever make people follow rules against their own self interest?'

[D] is the original choice I picked, as I didn't like [C]. It didn't seem to violate anything in my mind, but I think I made the mistake of paraphrasing a self-interest to being a duty...although I suppose my interpretation of [D] could also force [C] to be correct and, therein, cannot be correct.

HW4#45 - Oct 04 LR 2 #23

[+] Spoiler

I arrived at [C] both times with this question. I think my thought process for eliminating A, D, and E, was good though and is as follows.

[A] runs contrary to the passage in that 'governments have a strong obligation to ensure that all voice have an equal chance to be heard' and the sort of prevailing theme that big money in politics is bad, but the government shouldn't be footing the bill.

[D] runs contrary to the passage in that 'people should certainly be free, within broad limits, to spend money as they choose' and would also conflict the ideas about equal voices. Why would wealthy people be singled out from donating? Maybe everyone can donate $10.

[E] seemed to be a bit odd. For one, it mentions each candidate and other candidates. There could be candidate A running for some school board position. Should they be able to spend as much as candidate HRC or DJT who is a candidate for POTUS GE? Clearly, that would trigger the idea that candidates outspending rivals is a bad thing.

Given I mixed these two up both times, this is my reasoning while knowing [C] is wrong....

[C] I feel that it is wrong, because it uses 'at a low percentage of their total cost is warranted' whereas a lower percentage could still be way too much. Romney & Obama spent something like $1B each. 10% of that, which would probably qualify as a low percentage, would still be $200M between the two candidates. Perhaps, that is too expensive of a campaign, and, according to the stimulus, the government should not fund it.

I was about to add that [C] forces to be right, but I don't think that's actually correct. I think my initial reason for eliminating was that I felt it ran contrary to the idea that people should be free to spend their money as they choose, but, looking at it now, I suppose that the stipulations in could qualify as some broad or general limitation.

HW4#57 - June 07 LR 1 #8

Odd note, I got this right when I took my initial diagnostic... decided to just check

[+] Spoiler

I confidently eliminated B, C, and D, and, ultimately, chose E over A.

I got rid of, as we don't know anything about the popularity of the cars from the stimulus.

[C] I got rid of, as, like in , we know nothing about the technical problems and whether that's the only thing holding electric cars back.

[D] I eliminated for two reasons. The stimulus doesn't state anywhere that the cars will increase the level of emissions. In addition, A must be true if D is. Proponents think that they will be emission free. If they increase the total level of emissions rather than reduce, it will have a worse environmental consequence than proponents may believe.

As for [E], I, honestly, do not get why it is wrong. In the stimulus, we are given three options for energy to power and charge the batteries. All three are shown to produce considerable environmental damage. We are also told that proponents of the electric car maintain that, when solved, will result in an abatement of the environmental degradation caused by automobile emissions. We are told that these cars, unless new energy sources are built, will not do this. I could see and argument that E proves A to be true and can be wrong on that metric, but I don't see why E is wrong.

Sup man, just got back home but I'll take a look at these in the morning and give you my perspective on them!