real The Official December 2016 Waiters Group - Patience is a Virtue Forum

[ruby11]

Anyone else studying everyday? I'm worried about burning out before December, but I have to work apace in order to review everything on time...

Back in my dead serious prep days I took a timed 5 section PT every day for two months straight and reviewed after. If you're hungry you won't burn out. That being said, I eventually chilled out and learned the value of focus on review. Once I changed my style to alternating PT day/review day, my score climbed steady from lower to mid 170s. Contrary to what's usually advised, I found taking a PT in the same building/place/time two days before the real thing to be really helpful as far as nerves go. Day before I just drilled games.

Sorry for information overload, but hope some part of it was helpful

[Barack O'Drama]

Anyone else studying everyday? I'm worried about burning out before December, but I have to work apace in order to review everything on time...

Back in my dead serious prep days I took a timed 5 section PT every day for two months straight and reviewed after. If you're hungry you won't burn out. That being said, I eventually chilled out and learned the value of focus on review. Once I changed my style to alternating PT day/review day, my score climbed steady from lower to mid 170s. Contrary to what's usually advised, I found taking a PT in the same building/place/time two days before the real thing to be really helpful as far as nerves go. Day before I just drilled games.

Sorry for information overload, but hope some part of it was helpful

In my experience, this isn't entirely accurate. You can be the hungriest person for a good score, but burn out can and will hit anyone, even the most "hungry."

There really is only so much you can learn in a day, week, month, etc. At least as far as the LSAT is concerned. You can study 8+ hours a day, but at some point, you're going to start seeing diminishing returns.

No one is making you take in December, so don't rush. Better to get a 170+ next cycle (or in Feb, if the schools you're considering take Feb scores) than settle for a 168 this year because you rushed it. Remember OP, the LSAT is one of the only tests that lets you take it when you are ready. It is also a test that truly can have a direct effect on your entire future....

If you feel yourself starting to experience the common symptoms of a burn out, take a few days off. You'll be glad you did!

[yungkahlo]

Anyone else studying everyday? I'm worried about burning out before December, but I have to work apace in order to review everything on time...

Back in my dead serious prep days I took a timed 5 section PT every day for two months straight and reviewed after. If you're hungry you won't burn out. That being said, I eventually chilled out and learned the value of focus on review. Once I changed my style to alternating PT day/review day, my score climbed steady from lower to mid 170s. Contrary to what's usually advised, I found taking a PT in the same building/place/time two days before the real thing to be really helpful as far as nerves go. Day before I just drilled games.

Sorry for information overload, but hope some part of it was helpful

Five PTs a day? Kudos! I'd consider myself pretty "hungry," but I think your appetite is bigger than mine, lol.

[yungkahlo]

Anyone else studying everyday? I'm worried about burning out before December, but I have to work apace in order to review everything on time...

Back in my dead serious prep days I took a timed 5 section PT every day for two months straight and reviewed after. If you're hungry you won't burn out. That being said, I eventually chilled out and learned the value of focus on review. Once I changed my style to alternating PT day/review day, my score climbed steady from lower to mid 170s. Contrary to what's usually advised, I found taking a PT in the same building/place/time two days before the real thing to be really helpful as far as nerves go. Day before I just drilled games.

Sorry for information overload, but hope some part of it was helpful

In my experience, this isn't entirely accurate. You can be the hungriest person for a good score, but burn out can and will hit anyone, even the most "hungry."

There really is only so much you can learn in a day, week, month, etc. At least as far as the LSAT is concerned. You can study 8+ hours a day, but at some point, you're going to start seeing diminishing returns.

No one is making you take in December, so don't rush. Better to get a 170+ next cycle (or in Feb, if the schools you're considering take Feb scores) than settle for a 168 this year because you rushed it. Remember OP, the LSAT is one of the only tests that lets you take it when you are ready. It is also a test that truly can have a direct effect on your entire future....

If you feel yourself starting to experience the common symptoms of a burn out, take a few days off. You'll be glad you did!

Reasoned advice as always, O'Drama. (Though I did wake up at 7:00a to drill... )

[Deardevil]

Holy, PTs for two straight is jusking asking for burnout... Totally doing that.

[FedReserved]

Slow and steady for me. I PT 2x a week now. Working thru the LSAT Trainer and it's GOLD.

[Barack O'Drama]

Anyone else studying everyday? I'm worried about burning out before December, but I have to work apace in order to review everything on time...

Back in my dead serious prep days I took a timed 5 section PT every day for two months straight and reviewed after. If you're hungry you won't burn out. That being said, I eventually chilled out and learned the value of focus on review. Once I changed my style to alternating PT day/review day, my score climbed steady from lower to mid 170s. Contrary to what's usually advised, I found taking a PT in the same building/place/time two days before the real thing to be really helpful as far as nerves go. Day before I just drilled games.

Sorry for information overload, but hope some part of it was helpful

In my experience, this isn't entirely accurate. You can be the hungriest person for a good score, but burn out can and will hit anyone, even the most "hungry."

There really is only so much you can learn in a day, week, month, etc. At least as far as the LSAT is concerned. You can study 8+ hours a day, but at some point, you're going to start seeing diminishing returns.

No one is making you take in December, so don't rush. Better to get a 170+ next cycle (or in Feb, if the schools you're considering take Feb scores) than settle for a 168 this year because you rushed it. Remember OP, the LSAT is one of the only tests that lets you take it when you are ready. It is also a test that truly can have a direct effect on your entire future....

If you feel yourself starting to experience the common symptoms of a burn out, take a few days off. You'll be glad you did!

Reasoned advice as always, O'Drama. (Though I did wake up at 7:00a to drill... )

I try! 7am is pretty darn early for a Sunday, but if that is your routine or what you need to do to get it done, so be it.

[Walliums]

Hey everybody!

I've been into my first drills with games this weekend. I've been doing really well score-wise, but not as great on time (although for the drills I did this morning I averaged about 9 minutes for six-question games). I'm finding that I'm being hindered by my desire to make sure that for every question the other answers are wrong. So even if I see the correct answer right away, especially for the plug-and-play kind of questions (e.g. which pair can be grouped with X, and then the answers are a list of pairs), I'm really struggling with not wanting to double-check that the other answers are wrong. I know in the Trainer he emphasizes not wasting your time on wrong answers, but I'm having a hard time internalizing this.

Anybody else dealing/dealt with this? Tips?

Also, when we talk about drills - what are you doing logistically? Obviously drills are working on like-problems, but what are you doing about time? Right now, I've been drilling without time constraints but making note of my time (how long it takes me to diagram and how long each question is taking, using the lap timer on my phone). What do you do when you drill?

[proteinshake]

Hey everybody!

I've been into my first drills with games this weekend. I've been doing really well score-wise, but not as great on time (although for the drills I did this morning I averaged about 9 minutes for six-question games). I'm finding that I'm being hindered by my desire to make sure that for every question the other answers are wrong. So even if I see the correct answer right away, especially for the plug-and-play kind of questions (e.g. which pair can be grouped with X, and then the answers are a list of pairs), I'm really struggling with not wanting to double-check that the other answers are wrong. I know in the Trainer he emphasizes not wasting your time on wrong answers, but I'm having a hard time internalizing this.

Anybody else dealing/dealt with this? Tips?

don't go through all the answers. circle the one you think is right and then circle the question number. this way, if you have extra time, you can come back and double check after you finish the whole section/game.

[Barack O'Drama]

Hey everybody!

I've been into my first drills with games this weekend. I've been doing really well score-wise, but not as great on time (although for the drills I did this morning I averaged about 9 minutes for six-question games). I'm finding that I'm being hindered by my desire to make sure that for every question the other answers are wrong. So even if I see the correct answer right away, especially for the plug-and-play kind of questions (e.g. which pair can be grouped with X, and then the answers are a list of pairs), I'm really struggling with not wanting to double-check that the other answers are wrong. I know in the Trainer he emphasizes not wasting your time on wrong answers, but I'm having a hard time internalizing this.

Anybody else dealing/dealt with this? Tips?

Also, when we talk about drills - what are you doing logistically? Obviously drills are working on like-problems, but what are you doing about time? Right now, I've been drilling without time constraints but making note of my time (how long it takes me to diagram and how long each question is taking, using the lap timer on my phone). What do you do when you drill?

For drilling I don't think time matters as much at first, especially in the learning stage.

Good to make note of your timing as you have been doing, I use the stopwatch on my iPhone to count up to keep track. This way you can track progress, push the pace, but not feel you need to sacrifice accuracy for speed while you're learning.

When I drill games, I use 7Sage's fool proof method and the times set by J.Y.

For LR, I keep track of how long the questions take me to answer and just write the times down. I generally try to stay under a 1:25, but that is not a rule I strictly enforce, just sort of a benchmark.

As far as not proving wrong answers wrong.... Hmmm. I think the better you get the more you will trust yourself and thus, it is will easier to move on without checking. I think when you are learning, though, this can be a helpful exercise and I recommend doing this. You will start to see the patterns of what makes the questions wrong and right. And eventually, you will be able to eliminate a few wrong choices out of the gate. This and just getting better at games, in general, will help shave tons of time off.

[Barack O'Drama]

Hey everybody!

I've been into my first drills with games this weekend. I've been doing really well score-wise, but not as great on time (although for the drills I did this morning I averaged about 9 minutes for six-question games). I'm finding that I'm being hindered by my desire to make sure that for every question the other answers are wrong. So even if I see the correct answer right away, especially for the plug-and-play kind of questions (e.g. which pair can be grouped with X, and then the answers are a list of pairs), I'm really struggling with not wanting to double-check that the other answers are wrong. I know in the Trainer he emphasizes not wasting your time on wrong answers, but I'm having a hard time internalizing this.

Anybody else dealing/dealt with this? Tips?

don't go through all the answers. circle the one you think is right and then circle the question number. this way, if you have extra time, you can come back and double check after you finish the whole section/game.

Definitely this too! But only after you are done learning all the game types.

[proteinshake]

Hey everybody!

I've been into my first drills with games this weekend. I've been doing really well score-wise, but not as great on time (although for the drills I did this morning I averaged about 9 minutes for six-question games). I'm finding that I'm being hindered by my desire to make sure that for every question the other answers are wrong. So even if I see the correct answer right away, especially for the plug-and-play kind of questions (e.g. which pair can be grouped with X, and then the answers are a list of pairs), I'm really struggling with not wanting to double-check that the other answers are wrong. I know in the Trainer he emphasizes not wasting your time on wrong answers, but I'm having a hard time internalizing this.

Anybody else dealing/dealt with this? Tips?

don't go through all the answers. circle the one you think is right and then circle the question number. this way, if you have extra time, you can come back and double check after you finish the whole section/game.

Definitely this too! But only after you are done learning all the game types.

ha, I didn't realize I was in the December thread!

[Walliums]

Thanks guys! This is helpful

[jjbruno6]

Okay so I bought the LSAT Logic Games Bible and have been working my way through that! The LSAT trainer and the Logical Reasoning Bible are on the way! Are there any other books that I should buy? My next question is what preptests should i buy, and how many should I buy?? And is the 7sage starter course really the best bang for your buck, or would you recommend another course? And lastly anything else, or any other things I should be doing? I'm just really honing in and starting to study but I am definitely going to take the December LSAT!

[Deardevil]

Okay so I bought the LSAT Logic Games Bible and have been working my way through that! The LSAT trainer and the Logical Reasoning Bible are on the way! Are there any other books that I should buy? My next question is what preptests should i buy, and how many should I buy?? And is the 7sage starter course really the best bang for your buck, or would you recommend another course? And lastly anything else, or any other things I should be doing? I'm just really honing in and starting to study but I am definitely going to take the December LSAT!

I would get my hands on as many tests as possible.
The recent ones should be readily available and are a must to practice under timed conditions.
Early ones can be used for drilling and additional fifth sections.

[Barack O'Drama]

Okay so I bought the LSAT Logic Games Bible and have been working my way through that! The LSAT trainer and the Logical Reasoning Bible are on the way! Are there any other books that I should buy? My next question is what preptests should i buy, and how many should I buy?? And is the 7sage starter course really the best bang for your buck, or would you recommend another course? And lastly anything else, or any other things I should be doing? I'm just really honing in and starting to study but I am definitely going to take the December LSAT!

Yes, 7Sage starter course is the best bang for your buck. I stand by them 100% I think it is truly the best way to learn for most students. Seeing the lessons on video helps immensely in a way books just cannot. The sheer volume of materials you get too is insane for $180 bucks.

I always tell people this: If you like the free logic games explanations, you'll LOVE the course. If you don't, look for something else....


Books recommendations.... I think you should be good. I love The LSAT Trainer. The bibles are classics; can't go wrong with them. I'd say you are set. To be honest, one thing I learned going through tons of books was that, honestly, besides The LSAT Trainer, Manhattan Prep Trilogy, and Powerscore Bibles, there isn't much out there worth getting, imho. If I could go back, I would use the 7Sage course + The LSAT Trainer and maybe supplement those with the LR Bible. Everything else seemed redundant.

Prep tests to buy: 52-71, 72-78

I honestly think that is a good place to start. Get your hands on PT 1-35 for drilling if you can cheaply. But if not, follow the LSAT Trainer study schedule that uses 52-71.

If you haven't really started studying yet, I don't think you'll max your score out by December. I feel like a broken record, but don't feel pressured to take it when you don't have to. You really want to do your best on this exam, so don't take it until you are 100% ready. You'll know you are ready when your last 5-10 PT's average out to be your score goal.

[OtisRedding24]

Just made up my mind to take this test. Got a 164 last December. Shooting for 170 this time around. Studying starts today.

[scalawag]

Working on logical reasoning questions with conditional logic. They're kicking my ass. Its gonna take me maybe a week to master this.

Drinking coffee with two shots of espresso.

Yeah, they can be a pain at first glance.
Luckily, I had my fair share of conditionals in college.
If you have any problem areas, feel free to ask;
I love conditionals in general, but they can be a total nuisance in certain questions.

Thanks man I'm getting through them but some are taking longer than others.

Any idea how conditional logic changes past test 40?

[jjbruno6]

Wow guys I really appreciate it! Besides the practice tests, should I also get the logic games bible and logical reasoning workbooks from Kaplan? Or the game type training books? Just wondering? Thanks so much!! Wish i knew more about this test going into it i'm a very good but unprepared student that was given very little advice from advisors, mentors, and teachers.

[Deardevil]

Wow guys I really appreciate it! Besides the practice tests, should I also get the logic games bible and logical reasoning workbooks from Kaplan? Or the game type training books? Just wondering? Thanks so much!! Wish i knew more about this test going into it i'm a very good but unprepared student that was given very little advice from advisors, mentors, and teachers.

No problem!

You're better off with just PowerScore if you need workbooks for drilling.
Or, like myself and many others, make your own packets for free and organize to your heart's desire.
And as Barack mentioned, stick with Manhattan and LSAT Trainer if you're still searching for books, and you should be golden in no time!

[scalawag]

Devil,
I actually have a question for you - it's Prep test 22 question 2 http://www.manhattanprep.com/lsat/forum ... t1604.html

I'm looking at this like this

c: bacteria -> /infection
p: infection -> physically run down

This translates to
A ->/B
B->C

Answer choice B presents

c: receives 6 or more hours -> /bloom
p: bloom -> receives 6 or more hours AND slightly alkaline soil

This translates to
A->/B
B->A and C

Answer choice E presents

c: high reading for blood pressure(single reading) ->/hypertensive
p: hypertensive -> chronically high blood pressure (multiple readings)

I selected this one because I translated it to
A->/B
B->C

Aren't chronically high blood pressure and high blood pressure two different things?

[scalawag]

I read that last post and it kind of explained it better than the first post.


A -> /B
B-> A and C

So I guess all we have to do is read that the infection not occurring until the host is physically run down means that bacilli must be present as well.

That's all you have to do to be sure that you answered this one correctly.

[Deardevil]

I read that last post and it kind of explained it better than the first post.

A -> /B
B-> A and C

So I guess all we have to do is read that the infection not occurring until the host is physically run down means that bacilli must be present as well.

That's all you have to do to be sure that you answered this one correctly.

Sounds like you didn't need my help, after all!

I'm actually still drilling the first 18 PTs. Will probably start from 19 and end at ~36 next week.

[quigleyest]

Any honest thoughts on 7sage lessons on here? I have a friend who got a 179 (retake) using the bibles , but this was a few years ago.... so anecdotally i feel like no specific resources are "required". currently have an older copy of the trainer and manhattan lr and considering 7 sage. part of me feels like having any additional resources is just like a cherry on top, but maybe I want to have any additional leg-up possible...

please excuse my careless grammar.. i've been out of school for some time

Anyone studying in NYC? feel free to pm

[Barack O'Drama]

Any honest thoughts on 7sage lessons on here? I have a friend who got a 179 (retake) using the bibles , but this was a few years ago.... so anecdotally i feel like no specific resources are "required". currently have an older copy of the trainer and manhattan lr and considering 7 sage. part of me feels like having any additional resources is just like a cherry on top, but maybe I want to have any additional leg-up possible...

please excuse my careless grammar.. i've been out of school for some time

Anyone studying in NYC? feel free to pm

Big 7Sage advocate man! I'm a mentor on their site, so I may be a little biased, but I credit 7Sage with being a "come to jesus" moment for me in my LSAT prep. I started in June and spent a month and a half looking for silver bullets. I bought Powerscore, Manhattan, The LSAT Trainer (all of which I like and think are good, but still, something was missing...something wasn't clicking) Then I got 7Sage.... It all sort of began to click because I was seeing the questions reasoned out in real time by an expert who took the LSAT and went to Harvard Law (founder/instructor J.Y. Ping)

There are a few core philosophies that 7Sage uses to make mastering the LSAT achievable for almost anyone:

Blind Review for Logical Reasoning (And the entire test to be accurate, lol)
Fool Proof Method For Perfect Score on Logic Games
Memory Method For Reading Comprehension

Those things combined with a mission to make LSAT prep affordable is what makes 7Sage awesome!

Plus I am living proof it works! At least for LR and LG. I haven't begun prepping for RC yet, so I can't speak honestly on that. But on my diagnostic, I missed 20 LG questions.....Now I miss 3-4. On LR I missed 11, and now I miss 3-4 as well. I have a lot of work to do, but for being less than 2 months in, let me tell you it works!

Like I always say, if you find the free logic games videos helpful than you will love the lessons.