The Official September 2016 Study Group - WAKE ME UP WHEN SEPTEMBER ENDS Forum

[cgra1916]

Really let down with myself today. I was hoping I'd be ready for the September LSAT, but I took a PT yesterday, and scored in the 140's, absolutely nowhere near my target goal of 160+

I guess I just feel bummed out since I was really hoping I can be ready by September. Anybody else on here postpone their target LSAT date? Do people do that often?

[proteinshake]

going over my PT from earlier and wow I'm dumb. one of the answers to a q says that "a diet was conducive to the development of heart disease" and I interpreted as "a diet that helped prevent heard disease" instead of one that promotes it. I missed another Must Be True q cause I didn't bother reading all the answer choices cause I thought picked the right one.

[Mikey]

going over my PT from earlier and wow I'm dumb. one of the answers to a q says that "a diet was conducive to the development of heart disease" and I interpreted as "a diet that helped prevent heard disease" instead of one that promotes it. I missed another Must Be True q cause I didn't bother reading all the answer choices cause I thought picked the right one.

Was it one of the harder ones?

[Barack O'Drama]

Really let down with myself today. I was hoping I'd be ready for the September LSAT, but I took a PT yesterday, and scored in the 140's, absolutely nowhere near my target goal of 160+

I guess I just feel bummed out since I was really hoping I can be ready by September. Anybody else on here postpone their target LSAT date? Do people do that often?

I've been toying with the idea of waiting until December, but I haven't decided yet. My target score is 170 and my diagnostic was a ~151. I still have a long way to go, but I think it is best to focus on how far you've come.

One practice test is a small piece of data that isn't fully representative of your ability and skills.

How long have you been studying? What materials/courses are you using? You'd be surprised how much certain prep books can help. Ultimately lots of practice tests are where you'll start to see improvement.

[proteinshake]

going over my PT from earlier and wow I'm dumb. one of the answers to a q says that "a diet was conducive to the development of heart disease" and I interpreted as "a diet that helped prevent heard disease" instead of one that promotes it. I missed another Must Be True q cause I didn't bother reading all the answer choices cause I thought picked the right one.

Was it one of the harder ones?

yeah all the LR q's I missed were 4 or 5 on the 7Sage rating (except one NA q I missed was 3)

[Deardevil]

Really let down with myself today. I was hoping I'd be ready for the September LSAT, but I took a PT yesterday, and scored in the 140's, absolutely nowhere near my target goal of 160+

I guess I just feel bummed out since I was really hoping I can be ready by September. Anybody else on here postpone their target LSAT date? Do people do that often?

I've been toying with the idea of waiting until December, but I haven't decided yet. My target score is 170 and my diagnostic was a ~151. I still have a long way to go, but I think it is best to focus on how far you've come.

One practice test is a small piece of data that isn't fully representative of your ability and skills.

How long have you been studying? What materials/courses are you using? You'd be surprised how much certain prep books can help. Ultimately lots of practice tests are where you'll start to see improvement.

Yeah, I wouldn't let one bad score discourage me too much. Just work at it some more. 160 is extremely achievable!
All of us 170ers are busting more booty. :[

[Alexandros]

That's amazing.
Gonna need one of those for September 25.

I suggest the Methuselah... perhaps one size up if you have good forearm strength. The methuselah is still handy enough that you can carry it by the neck like a baller. I imagine any larger and the neck gets too wide to hold with one hand and the bottle gets too heavy.

Also, if you plan to indulge in such a bottle outdoors during September, I highly suggest a white wine. You will never be able to drink a red wine before it gets too warm to be disgusting. 6.0L of red wine is also a lot for one person to drink, and the bottles are unwieldy. You may spill! Many ladies of the younger and greek persuasion [gentlemen, too really] quite enjoy the novelty. I *of course* am not speaking from experience.

They make beers like this sometimes too. The only beer I ever saw was a 5.0L or 6.0L of some seasonal mad elf beer or something.

ANYWHO - Got some pizza in me. A 20 OZ coffee, and, thankfully, I didn't leave my notebook in the class with my Testmasters notes. Time to do some more of the Manhattan LSAT grouping games and then maybe call it a night with a glass of pinot with a Robin lecture.

Alright, it's a plan. Many thanks for the advice - Post- LSAT day should go beautifully with that 6L Methuselah.
(Although I contend that I WILL be able to drink all 6L of the red before it gets remotely warm, no problem )
Must say the extent of your knowledge is very impressive! I'm sure none of it derives from personal experience.

[cgra1916]

Really let down with myself today. I was hoping I'd be ready for the September LSAT, but I took a PT yesterday, and scored in the 140's, absolutely nowhere near my target goal of 160+

I guess I just feel bummed out since I was really hoping I can be ready by September. Anybody else on here postpone their target LSAT date? Do people do that often?

I've been toying with the idea of waiting until December, but I haven't decided yet. My target score is 170 and my diagnostic was a ~151. I still have a long way to go, but I think it is best to focus on how far you've come.

One practice test is a small piece of data that isn't fully representative of your ability and skills.

How long have you been studying? What materials/courses are you using? You'd be surprised how much certain prep books can help. Ultimately lots of practice tests are where you'll start to see improvement.

Thanks for your advice. I started studying very lightly since about May, but I got really into it in June. I'm using the bibles, and I'm also a 7Sage student. That's the thing, it seems like everyone on here is just taking PT's and blind reviewing, but I'm nowhere near that. I'd like to get a firm understanding of all of the question types of each section first before I start PT'ing, but I still have a long way to go.

[SunDevil14]

I feel like I perform better with a sharpened, rather than a dull, pencil. mind games.

Yeah, I get mild OCD about sharp pencils. Literally grab a handful and before a practice test.

[34iplaw]

I feel like I perform better with a sharpened, rather than a dull, pencil. mind games.

Yeah, I get mild OCD about sharp pencils. Literally grab a handful and before a practice test.

This may be odd, but my preference is a pencil sharpened with a colored pencil sharpener. If not, I can settle for a slightly dull regular sharpening.

#madness
#rebel
#hashtag

Alright, it's a plan. Many thanks for the advice - Post- LSAT day should go beautifully with that 6L Methuselah.
(Although I contend that I WILL be able to drink all 6L of the red before it gets remotely warm, no problem )
Must say the extent of your knowledge is very impressive! I'm sure none of it derives from personal experience.

Obv. not. Col di Sasso supposedly still exists in 5L.
http://www.internetwines.com/gz5500090.html
$57 + shipping?
Kind of a sketchy website for such a sweet domain name.

[mwells56]

So I decided to purchase 7Sage's course because if the lessons are half as helpful as the LG explanations have been, I think it will be worth every penny. I also want to see how I do learning by watching videos rather than reading everything. The starter course is only $179 bucks and if that can net me a few points, I would be happy. By the same token, if I don't like it I think they have a good refund policy.

Welcome to the 7sage fam! As I said in a post on this thread already, their LR stuff is really good from what I've seen of it so far. I'm saying that even after going only -8 between both LR sections on my diagnostic and spending a whole semester learning harder versions of this stuff. I'm trying to go back to simplifying my thought process from that class lol. I think my goal is going to be to -0 on LR (went -6 last time before BR), -2/-3 on LG (also went -6 before BR), and -4/-5 on RC (-10 last time before BR). If you have any questions on LR, shoot me a PM.

[SunDevil14]

Making Progress.

Took a time PT last week

167

LR 1: -4
LR 2: -2
RC: -4
LG: -6

I was a bit bummed out, since I think I could have hit a 170. I made a stupid mistake and misrepresented a rule in the first game. It cost me several minutes, and thus had to really rush the final game in the section, as well as the other games to a lesser extent.

If you occasionally make small errors in representing the initial rules, is it better to re-read and check the rules after diagramming all the rules or after each rule? I do not make this mistake too often, but once every few game sets is troubling since my goal is a 170+

A big key to LG would be getting everything down correctly the first time in an ideal world. Its possible to go back and re-read...but if you're already 3-4 questions in and you realized you completely botched a rule you might be fucked unless you can make that mental adjustment very quickly and not spend more than 2-3 minutes figuring out where you went wrong and correcting your error and not letting it psyche you out for the rest of the LG section.

^More or less what happened, it is bit hard to recover after you botch a rule and waste 4-5 minutes. At that point you do not have the luxury to be thorough on all the questions.

[appind]

guise,

i wasn't able to take the jun test, but am now planning to take september.

is there a thread specifically for retakers?

for those who didn't take june, any idea where and when the june test will be available?

[Barack O'Drama]

Really let down with myself today. I was hoping I'd be ready for the September LSAT, but I took a PT yesterday, and scored in the 140's, absolutely nowhere near my target goal of 160+

I guess I just feel bummed out since I was really hoping I can be ready by September. Anybody else on here postpone their target LSAT date? Do people do that often?

I've been toying with the idea of waiting until December, but I haven't decided yet. My target score is 170 and my diagnostic was a ~151. I still have a long way to go, but I think it is best to focus on how far you've come.

One practice test is a small piece of data that isn't fully representative of your ability and skills.

How long have you been studying? What materials/courses are you using? You'd be surprised how much certain prep books can help. Ultimately lots of practice tests are where you'll start to see improvement.

Thanks for your advice. I started studying very lightly since about May, but I got really into it in June. I'm using the bibles, and I'm also a 7Sage student. That's the thing, it seems like everyone on here is just taking PT's and blind reviewing, but I'm nowhere near that. I'd like to get a firm understanding of all of the question types of each section first before I start PT'ing, but I still have a long way to go.

Listen, don't get down on yourself man. Every question you get wrong is full of 100 silver linings. You get a bunch of chances to learn it, still it, and master it before game day. I am convinced I have learned the most when I have failed over and over and gone back to really review. I'm to the point where I am happy when I get questions I don't fully understand wrong because then I am forced to really figure out where I'm going wrong. And when you get it wrong and fix it, the lessons you learn are more likely to stick with you.

I actually took my second practice test today and scored way lower than I thought. I know my lack of speed accounted for 10 missed questions I had to guess on. If I could have gotten those I would have hit 160! But in reviewing it I am learning so much and it makes me even more excited to apply what I've learned and finally break into the 160s.

My advice would be to not worry what stage everyone else is at. Some students need more learning and less practice, and for others it’s the other way around. That is what Mike Kim the author of the LSAT Trainer wrote to me.

If you'e scoring in the 140s on timed tests, just focus on learning the basics. You also need to be very consistent (study almost everyday for a few hours) before you will really see results. You also have to drill to instill what you're learning. As soon as I'm done reading the chapter, I drill 25-50 questions of what I just learned. If it is logic games, I try to do 8 or so.

Check out The LSAT Trainer. I think that is what helped me more than anything sort of have a good base to build off of. There are also free suited schedules online to follow that you can do in 12-15 hours a week. I think that would be perfect to compliment 7sage. The LG Bible is also good if you need additional help or a different perspective.

I actually just bought 7Sage and am doing to check out the videos now! How are you liking it so far?

[SunDevil14]

Really let down with myself today. I was hoping I'd be ready for the September LSAT, but I took a PT yesterday, and scored in the 140's, absolutely nowhere near my target goal of 160+

I guess I just feel bummed out since I was really hoping I can be ready by September. Anybody else on here postpone their target LSAT date? Do people do that often?

I've been toying with the idea of waiting until December, but I haven't decided yet. My target score is 170 and my diagnostic was a ~151. I still have a long way to go, but I think it is best to focus on how far you've come.

One practice test is a small piece of data that isn't fully representative of your ability and skills.

How long have you been studying? What materials/courses are you using? You'd be surprised how much certain prep books can help. Ultimately lots of practice tests are where you'll start to see improvement.

Thanks for your advice. I started studying very lightly since about May, but I got really into it in June. I'm using the bibles, and I'm also a 7Sage student. That's the thing, it seems like everyone on here is just taking PT's and blind reviewing, but I'm nowhere near that. I'd like to get a firm understanding of all of the question types of each section first before I start PT'ing, but I still have a long way to go.

It's a marathon not a race. There a not too many draw backs for waiting until December. Some schools will accept scores from as late as the February test, but at that point they have already filled up seats, and you missed the boat for early applications.

[34iplaw]

Really let down with myself today. I was hoping I'd be ready for the September LSAT, but I took a PT yesterday, and scored in the 140's, absolutely nowhere near my target goal of 160+

I guess I just feel bummed out since I was really hoping I can be ready by September. Anybody else on here postpone their target LSAT date? Do people do that often?

I've been toying with the idea of waiting until December, but I haven't decided yet. My target score is 170 and my diagnostic was a ~151. I still have a long way to go, but I think it is best to focus on how far you've come.

One practice test is a small piece of data that isn't fully representative of your ability and skills.

How long have you been studying? What materials/courses are you using? You'd be surprised how much certain prep books can help. Ultimately lots of practice tests are where you'll start to see improvement.

Thanks for your advice. I started studying very lightly since about May, but I got really into it in June. I'm using the bibles, and I'm also a 7Sage student. That's the thing, it seems like everyone on here is just taking PT's and blind reviewing, but I'm nowhere near that. I'd like to get a firm understanding of all of the question types of each section first before I start PT'ing, but I still have a long way to go.

Listen, don't get down on yourself man. Every question you get wrong is full of 100 silver linings. You get a bunch of chances to learn it, still it, and master it before game day. I am convinced I have learned the most when I have failed over and over and gone back to really review. I'm to the point where I am happy when I get questions I don't fully understand wrong because then I am forced to really figure out where I'm going wrong. And when you get it wrong and fix it, the lessons you learn are more likely to stick with you.

I actually took my second practice test today and scored way lower than I thought. I know my lack of speed accounted for 10 missed questions I had to guess on. If I could have gotten those I would have hit 160! But in reviewing it I am learning so much and it makes me even more excited to apply what I've learned and finally break into the 160s.

My advice would be to not worry what stage everyone else is at. Some students need more learning and less practice, and for others it’s the other way around. That is what Mike Kim the author of the LSAT Trainer wrote to me.

If you'e scoring in the 140s on timed tests, just focus on learning the basics. You also need to be very consistent (study almost everyday for a few hours) before you will really see results. You also have to drill to instill what you're learning. As soon as I'm done reading the chapter, I drill 25-50 questions of what I just learned. If it is logic games, I try to do 8 or so.

Check out The LSAT Trainer. I think that is what helped me more than anything sort of have a good base to build off of. There are also free suited schedules online to follow that you can do in 12-15 hours a week. I think that would be perfect to compliment 7sage. The LG Bible is also good if you need additional help or a different perspective.

I actually just bought 7Sage and am doing to check out the videos now! How are you liking it so far?

I'd also say it's very important to be honest with yourself. If you aren't absolutely 100% certain why an answer is right or wrong, you should figure out why it is early in your process. Again, all this has issues with time, but I think you would be better off understanding why, for 10 questions, every single choice is either right or wrong than understanding, for 50 questions, only why the right answer is right. POE is one of the most critical skills for any standardized test, especially one like the LSAT where a wrong answer may very well be much more obvious than a right one. This will carry through to games and that whole spectrum of truth.

Also, this isn't to sound harsh, but, if you get a question right by luck, you might as well have gotten it wrong. I think this is an important attitude to approach prep with. Obviously on the test, a right answer is right and a point is a point, but, during prep, we shouldn't allow such complacency!

[Barack O'Drama]

So I decided to purchase 7Sage's course because if the lessons are half as helpful as the LG explanations have been, I think it will be worth every penny. I also want to see how I do learning by watching videos rather than reading everything. The starter course is only $179 bucks and if that can net me a few points, I would be happy. By the same token, if I don't like it I think they have a good refund policy.

Welcome to the 7sage fam! As I said in a post on this thread already, their LR stuff is really good from what I've seen of it so far. I'm saying that even after going only -8 between both LR sections on my diagnostic and spending a whole semester learning harder versions of this stuff. I'm trying to go back to simplifying my thought process from that class lol. I think my goal is going to be to -0 on LR (went -6 last time before BR), -2/-3 on LG (also went -6 before BR), and -4/-5 on RC (-10 last time before BR). If you have any questions on LR, shoot me a PM.

Awesome! Thank you mwells Glad to hear you think it is good. I feel like JY really gets down to business. I like his formulaic-no-BS-gimmicks approach. Also for $180 bucks I can't ask for more. If I like it I might even upgrade to the Ultimate! And I am right with ya on LR. On my best days I miss 5 and on my worse 8. So I really need some help, lol.

As I'm doing the 7Sage course I am going to continue following The LSAT Trainer schedule. I also have the Manhattan trilogy I plan to go through as well. Right now working my way through the MLR and MLG.

Appreciate the help--I am sure I will have some questions I will PM you about. I want to make LR like LG and go -0 on test day!

[Barack O'Drama]

Really let down with myself today. I was hoping I'd be ready for the September LSAT, but I took a PT yesterday, and scored in the 140's, absolutely nowhere near my target goal of 160+

I guess I just feel bummed out since I was really hoping I can be ready by September. Anybody else on here postpone their target LSAT date? Do people do that often?

I've been toying with the idea of waiting until December, but I haven't decided yet. My target score is 170 and my diagnostic was a ~151. I still have a long way to go, but I think it is best to focus on how far you've come.

One practice test is a small piece of data that isn't fully representative of your ability and skills.

How long have you been studying? What materials/courses are you using? You'd be surprised how much certain prep books can help. Ultimately lots of practice tests are where you'll start to see improvement.

Thanks for your advice. I started studying very lightly since about May, but I got really into it in June. I'm using the bibles, and I'm also a 7Sage student. That's the thing, it seems like everyone on here is just taking PT's and blind reviewing, but I'm nowhere near that. I'd like to get a firm understanding of all of the question types of each section first before I start PT'ing, but I still have a long way to go.

Listen, don't get down on yourself man. Every question you get wrong is full of 100 silver linings. You get a bunch of chances to learn it, still it, and master it before game day. I am convinced I have learned the most when I have failed over and over and gone back to really review. I'm to the point where I am happy when I get questions I don't fully understand wrong because then I am forced to really figure out where I'm going wrong. And when you get it wrong and fix it, the lessons you learn are more likely to stick with you.

I actually took my second practice test today and scored way lower than I thought. I know my lack of speed accounted for 10 missed questions I had to guess on. If I could have gotten those I would have hit 160! But in reviewing it I am learning so much and it makes me even more excited to apply what I've learned and finally break into the 160s.

My advice would be to not worry what stage everyone else is at. Some students need more learning and less practice, and for others it’s the other way around. That is what Mike Kim the author of the LSAT Trainer wrote to me.

If you'e scoring in the 140s on timed tests, just focus on learning the basics. You also need to be very consistent (study almost everyday for a few hours) before you will really see results. You also have to drill to instill what you're learning. As soon as I'm done reading the chapter, I drill 25-50 questions of what I just learned. If it is logic games, I try to do 8 or so.

Check out The LSAT Trainer. I think that is what helped me more than anything sort of have a good base to build off of. There are also free suited schedules online to follow that you can do in 12-15 hours a week. I think that would be perfect to compliment 7sage. The LG Bible is also good if you need additional help or a different perspective.

I actually just bought 7Sage and am doing to check out the videos now! How are you liking it so far?

I'd also say it's very important to be honest with yourself. If you aren't absolutely 100% certain why an answer is right or wrong, you should figure out why it is early in your process. Again, all this has issues with time, but I think you would be better off understanding why, for 10 questions, every single choice is either right or wrong than understanding, for 50 questions, only why the right answer is right. POE is one of the most critical skills for any standardized test, especially one like the LSAT where a wrong answer may very well be much more obvious than a right one. This will carry through to games and that whole spectrum of truth.

Also, this isn't to sound harsh, but, if you get a question right by luck, you might as well have gotten it wrong. I think this is an important attitude to approach prep with. Obviously on the test, a right answer is right and a point is a point, but, during prep, we shouldn't allow such complacency!

+1000

[cgra1916]

Really let down with myself today. I was hoping I'd be ready for the September LSAT, but I took a PT yesterday, and scored in the 140's, absolutely nowhere near my target goal of 160+

I guess I just feel bummed out since I was really hoping I can be ready by September. Anybody else on here postpone their target LSAT date? Do people do that often?

I've been toying with the idea of waiting until December, but I haven't decided yet. My target score is 170 and my diagnostic was a ~151. I still have a long way to go, but I think it is best to focus on how far you've come.

One practice test is a small piece of data that isn't fully representative of your ability and skills.

How long have you been studying? What materials/courses are you using? You'd be surprised how much certain prep books can help. Ultimately lots of practice tests are where you'll start to see improvement.

Thanks for your advice. I started studying very lightly since about May, but I got really into it in June. I'm using the bibles, and I'm also a 7Sage student. That's the thing, it seems like everyone on here is just taking PT's and blind reviewing, but I'm nowhere near that. I'd like to get a firm understanding of all of the question types of each section first before I start PT'ing, but I still have a long way to go.

Listen, don't get down on yourself man. Every question you get wrong is full of 100 silver linings. You get a bunch of chances to learn it, still it, and master it before game day. I am convinced I have learned the most when I have failed over and over and gone back to really review. I'm to the point where I am happy when I get questions I don't fully understand wrong because then I am forced to really figure out where I'm going wrong. And when you get it wrong and fix it, the lessons you learn are more likely to stick with you.

I actually took my second practice test today and scored way lower than I thought. I know my lack of speed accounted for 10 missed questions I had to guess on. If I could have gotten those I would have hit 160! But in reviewing it I am learning so much and it makes me even more excited to apply what I've learned and finally break into the 160s.

My advice would be to not worry what stage everyone else is at. Some students need more learning and less practice, and for others it’s the other way around. That is what Mike Kim the author of the LSAT Trainer wrote to me.

If you'e scoring in the 140s on timed tests, just focus on learning the basics. You also need to be very consistent (study almost everyday for a few hours) before you will really see results. You also have to drill to instill what you're learning. As soon as I'm done reading the chapter, I drill 25-50 questions of what I just learned. If it is logic games, I try to do 8 or so.

Check out The LSAT Trainer. I think that is what helped me more than anything sort of have a good base to build off of. There are also free suited schedules online to follow that you can do in 12-15 hours a week. I think that would be perfect to compliment 7sage. The LG Bible is also good if you need additional help or a different perspective.

I actually just bought 7Sage and am doing to check out the videos now! How are you liking it so far?

Thanks a lot, I've seen plenty of your comments on this thread and you are very helpful. Learning the basics is what I am trying to do best right now. I agree that learning and then drilling is the best way to go.

I think 7Sage is great! The only thing that I've sort of changed is that I don't always go strictly with the schedule. I try to work on RC, LR and LG sections because I worry if I go straight through, I'll forget what I've recently learned haha.

[cgra1916]

Really let down with myself today. I was hoping I'd be ready for the September LSAT, but I took a PT yesterday, and scored in the 140's, absolutely nowhere near my target goal of 160+

I guess I just feel bummed out since I was really hoping I can be ready by September. Anybody else on here postpone their target LSAT date? Do people do that often?

I've been toying with the idea of waiting until December, but I haven't decided yet. My target score is 170 and my diagnostic was a ~151. I still have a long way to go, but I think it is best to focus on how far you've come.

One practice test is a small piece of data that isn't fully representative of your ability and skills.

How long have you been studying? What materials/courses are you using? You'd be surprised how much certain prep books can help. Ultimately lots of practice tests are where you'll start to see improvement.

Thanks for your advice. I started studying very lightly since about May, but I got really into it in June. I'm using the bibles, and I'm also a 7Sage student. That's the thing, it seems like everyone on here is just taking PT's and blind reviewing, but I'm nowhere near that. I'd like to get a firm understanding of all of the question types of each section first before I start PT'ing, but I still have a long way to go.

Listen, don't get down on yourself man. Every question you get wrong is full of 100 silver linings. You get a bunch of chances to learn it, still it, and master it before game day. I am convinced I have learned the most when I have failed over and over and gone back to really review. I'm to the point where I am happy when I get questions I don't fully understand wrong because then I am forced to really figure out where I'm going wrong. And when you get it wrong and fix it, the lessons you learn are more likely to stick with you.

I actually took my second practice test today and scored way lower than I thought. I know my lack of speed accounted for 10 missed questions I had to guess on. If I could have gotten those I would have hit 160! But in reviewing it I am learning so much and it makes me even more excited to apply what I've learned and finally break into the 160s.

My advice would be to not worry what stage everyone else is at. Some students need more learning and less practice, and for others it’s the other way around. That is what Mike Kim the author of the LSAT Trainer wrote to me.

If you'e scoring in the 140s on timed tests, just focus on learning the basics. You also need to be very consistent (study almost everyday for a few hours) before you will really see results. You also have to drill to instill what you're learning. As soon as I'm done reading the chapter, I drill 25-50 questions of what I just learned. If it is logic games, I try to do 8 or so.

Check out The LSAT Trainer. I think that is what helped me more than anything sort of have a good base to build off of. There are also free suited schedules online to follow that you can do in 12-15 hours a week. I think that would be perfect to compliment 7sage. The LG Bible is also good if you need additional help or a different perspective.

I actually just bought 7Sage and am doing to check out the videos now! How are you liking it so far?

I'd also say it's very important to be honest with yourself. If you aren't absolutely 100% certain why an answer is right or wrong, you should figure out why it is early in your process. Again, all this has issues with time, but I think you would be better off understanding why, for 10 questions, every single choice is either right or wrong than understanding, for 50 questions, only why the right answer is right. POE is one of the most critical skills for any standardized test, especially one like the LSAT where a wrong answer may very well be much more obvious than a right one. This will carry through to games and that whole spectrum of truth.

Also, this isn't to sound harsh, but, if you get a question right by luck, you might as well have gotten it wrong. I think this is an important attitude to approach prep with. Obviously on the test, a right answer is right and a point is a point, but, during prep, we shouldn't allow such complacency!

Right on man. Thanks for your advice

[Tiwinkle12]

I was wondering if anyone could tell me if the Reading Comprehension in the old tests is easier or different than the new tests? I know that the new tests feature dual passages but except that can one say the old RC is not too different from the new?

[appind]

I was wondering if anyone could tell me if the Reading Comprehension in the old tests is easier or different than the new tests? I know that the new tests feature dual passages but except that can one say the old RC is not too different from the new?

many people incl me find older rc much easier to score higher on than newer rc.

there are on average a few more tougher questions on newer rc (after late 50s) that make it more difficult.

[Barack O'Drama]

Really let down with myself today. I was hoping I'd be ready for the September LSAT, but I took a PT yesterday, and scored in the 140's, absolutely nowhere near my target goal of 160+

I guess I just feel bummed out since I was really hoping I can be ready by September. Anybody else on here postpone their target LSAT date? Do people do that often?

I've been toying with the idea of waiting until December, but I haven't decided yet. My target score is 170 and my diagnostic was a ~151. I still have a long way to go, but I think it is best to focus on how far you've come.

One practice test is a small piece of data that isn't fully representative of your ability and skills.

How long have you been studying? What materials/courses are you using? You'd be surprised how much certain prep books can help. Ultimately lots of practice tests are where you'll start to see improvement.

Thanks for your advice. I started studying very lightly since about May, but I got really into it in June. I'm using the bibles, and I'm also a 7Sage student. That's the thing, it seems like everyone on here is just taking PT's and blind reviewing, but I'm nowhere near that. I'd like to get a firm understanding of all of the question types of each section first before I start PT'ing, but I still have a long way to go.

Listen, don't get down on yourself man. Every question you get wrong is full of 100 silver linings. You get a bunch of chances to learn it, still it, and master it before game day. I am convinced I have learned the most when I have failed over and over and gone back to really review. I'm to the point where I am happy when I get questions I don't fully understand wrong because then I am forced to really figure out where I'm going wrong. And when you get it wrong and fix it, the lessons you learn are more likely to stick with you.

I actually took my second practice test today and scored way lower than I thought. I know my lack of speed accounted for 10 missed questions I had to guess on. If I could have gotten those I would have hit 160! But in reviewing it I am learning so much and it makes me even more excited to apply what I've learned and finally break into the 160s.

My advice would be to not worry what stage everyone else is at. Some students need more learning and less practice, and for others it’s the other way around. That is what Mike Kim the author of the LSAT Trainer wrote to me.

If you'e scoring in the 140s on timed tests, just focus on learning the basics. You also need to be very consistent (study almost everyday for a few hours) before you will really see results. You also have to drill to instill what you're learning. As soon as I'm done reading the chapter, I drill 25-50 questions of what I just learned. If it is logic games, I try to do 8 or so.

Check out The LSAT Trainer. I think that is what helped me more than anything sort of have a good base to build off of. There are also free suited schedules online to follow that you can do in 12-15 hours a week. I think that would be perfect to compliment 7sage. The LG Bible is also good if you need additional help or a different perspective.

I actually just bought 7Sage and am doing to check out the videos now! How are you liking it so far?

Thanks a lot, I've seen plenty of your comments on this thread and you are very helpful. Learning the basics is what I am trying to do best right now. I agree that learning and then drilling is the best way to go.

I think 7Sage is great! The only thing that I've sort of changed is that I don't always go strictly with the schedule. I try to work on RC, LR and LG sections because I worry if I go straight through, I'll forget what I've recently learned haha.

I hear ya! Don't stress it man. I think the biggest cause of stress vis-a-vis the LSAT is that we sign up for a test date AND then work in the set confines of the time we have before said test date. I think the best thing is to not sign up until you are ready. This way the artificial stress of having to feel rushed is mitigated to a great extent. I also think that the idea that 3-4 months being sufficient to prep for the LSAT is bullshit. For some, it is plenty of time. For me, and many others like yourself, it seems that life's responsibilities, (work, school, family obligations) make 6 months seem way more reasonable. Some people say that it is not a good idea to not sign up until you are ready because then you'll never end up taking it. There might be some truth to that, but if you are someone who will never end up taking it, obviously law school wasn't going to work anyways.

Thanks for the kind words. Feel free to PM me if you think I can be of any help.

Good luck prepping!

[cgra1916]

Really let down with myself today. I was hoping I'd be ready for the September LSAT, but I took a PT yesterday, and scored in the 140's, absolutely nowhere near my target goal of 160+

I guess I just feel bummed out since I was really hoping I can be ready by September. Anybody else on here postpone their target LSAT date? Do people do that often?

I've been toying with the idea of waiting until December, but I haven't decided yet. My target score is 170 and my diagnostic was a ~151. I still have a long way to go, but I think it is best to focus on how far you've come.

One practice test is a small piece of data that isn't fully representative of your ability and skills.

How long have you been studying? What materials/courses are you using? You'd be surprised how much certain prep books can help. Ultimately lots of practice tests are where you'll start to see improvement.

Thanks for your advice. I started studying very lightly since about May, but I got really into it in June. I'm using the bibles, and I'm also a 7Sage student. That's the thing, it seems like everyone on here is just taking PT's and blind reviewing, but I'm nowhere near that. I'd like to get a firm understanding of all of the question types of each section first before I start PT'ing, but I still have a long way to go.

Listen, don't get down on yourself man. Every question you get wrong is full of 100 silver linings. You get a bunch of chances to learn it, still it, and master it before game day. I am convinced I have learned the most when I have failed over and over and gone back to really review. I'm to the point where I am happy when I get questions I don't fully understand wrong because then I am forced to really figure out where I'm going wrong. And when you get it wrong and fix it, the lessons you learn are more likely to stick with you.

I actually took my second practice test today and scored way lower than I thought. I know my lack of speed accounted for 10 missed questions I had to guess on. If I could have gotten those I would have hit 160! But in reviewing it I am learning so much and it makes me even more excited to apply what I've learned and finally break into the 160s.

My advice would be to not worry what stage everyone else is at. Some students need more learning and less practice, and for others it’s the other way around. That is what Mike Kim the author of the LSAT Trainer wrote to me.

If you'e scoring in the 140s on timed tests, just focus on learning the basics. You also need to be very consistent (study almost everyday for a few hours) before you will really see results. You also have to drill to instill what you're learning. As soon as I'm done reading the chapter, I drill 25-50 questions of what I just learned. If it is logic games, I try to do 8 or so.

Check out The LSAT Trainer. I think that is what helped me more than anything sort of have a good base to build off of. There are also free suited schedules online to follow that you can do in 12-15 hours a week. I think that would be perfect to compliment 7sage. The LG Bible is also good if you need additional help or a different perspective.

I actually just bought 7Sage and am doing to check out the videos now! How are you liking it so far?

Thanks a lot, I've seen plenty of your comments on this thread and you are very helpful. Learning the basics is what I am trying to do best right now. I agree that learning and then drilling is the best way to go.

I think 7Sage is great! The only thing that I've sort of changed is that I don't always go strictly with the schedule. I try to work on RC, LR and LG sections because I worry if I go straight through, I'll forget what I've recently learned haha.

I hear ya! Don't stress it man. I think the biggest cause of stress vis-a-vis the LSAT is that we sign up for a test date AND then work in the set confines of the time we have before said test date. I think the best thing is to not sign up until you are ready. This way the artificial stress of having to feel rushed is mitigated to a great extent. I also think that the idea that 3-4 months being sufficient to prep for the LSAT is bullshit. For some, it is plenty of time. For me, and many others like yourself, it seems that life's responsibilities, (work, school, family obligations) make 6 months seem way more reasonable. Some people say that it is not a good idea to not sign up until you are ready because then you'll never end up taking it. There might be some truth to that, but if you are someone who will never end up taking it, obviously law school wasn't going to work anyways.

Thanks for the kind words. Feel free to PM me if you think I can be of any help.

Good luck prepping!

Oh yeah, that 3 months prep is total bs, at least for me it is haha. Unfortunately I'm already registered for September, so I think I might just change the date instead of asking for a refund since I'll end up losing more money if I get a refund only. I'd much rather just register until I'm ready though.

Thanks again for your help!

[mwells56]

So I decided to purchase 7Sage's course because if the lessons are half as helpful as the LG explanations have been, I think it will be worth every penny. I also want to see how I do learning by watching videos rather than reading everything. The starter course is only $179 bucks and if that can net me a few points, I would be happy. By the same token, if I don't like it I think they have a good refund policy.

Welcome to the 7sage fam! As I said in a post on this thread already, their LR stuff is really good from what I've seen of it so far. I'm saying that even after going only -8 between both LR sections on my diagnostic and spending a whole semester learning harder versions of this stuff. I'm trying to go back to simplifying my thought process from that class lol. I think my goal is going to be to -0 on LR (went -6 last time before BR), -2/-3 on LG (also went -6 before BR), and -4/-5 on RC (-10 last time before BR). If you have any questions on LR, shoot me a PM.

Awesome! Thank you mwells Glad to hear you think it is good. I feel like JY really gets down to business. I like his formulaic-no-BS-gimmicks approach. Also for $180 bucks I can't ask for more. If I like it I might even upgrade to the Ultimate! And I am right with ya on LR. On my best days I miss 5 and on my worse 8. So I really need some help, lol.

As I'm doing the 7Sage course I am going to continue following The LSAT Trainer schedule. I also have the Manhattan trilogy I plan to go through as well. Right now working my way through the MLR and MLG.

Appreciate the help--I am sure I will have some questions I will PM you about. I want to make LR like LG and go -0 on test day!

Oh also one thing I forgot to mention is that I was digging through 7sage's discussion forums looking for suggestions on other study materials and JY actually wrote a short article about how he usually doesn't tell people about other test prep sources, but that if you're going to use 7sage that The LSAT Trainer is the way to go. He's buddies with the author.