real The Official December 2016 Waiters Group - Patience is a Virtue Forum

[Capt_Beatty]

So I recently switched from the "Stem first" camp to the "Stimulus first" camp, and my scores have shot through the roof. Has anyone else experienced this/why was I reading the stem first?...

[VMars]

So I recently switched from the "Stem first" camp to the "Stimulus first" camp, and my scores have shot through the roof. Has anyone else experienced this/why was I reading the stem first?...

I've always been stimulus first so can't really comment on the difference. In retrospect, might have been a good idea to test out both approaches but I think stimulus-first has worked well for me so far.

[cherrygalore]

I have another question on LR (I'm going through all of the ones that I still don't understand why the correct answer is what it is).

PT 72 Section 2 #16: Why is it D and not E? I have revisited this question many times over the last month and I still get it wrong every. single. time.

Any input would be greatly appreciated

[Capt_Beatty]

So I recently switched from the "Stem first" camp to the "Stimulus first" camp, and my scores have shot through the roof. Has anyone else experienced this/why was I reading the stem first?...

I've always been stimulus first so can't really comment on the difference. In retrospect, might have been a good idea to test out both approaches but I think stimulus-first has worked well for me so far.

I think most people are. When I read the stem first it forced me to push the subtleties of the argument into the foreground, without really, reading each sentence and undestanding the argument. I think, Stim first, purest read.

[Capt_Beatty]

I have another question on LR (I'm going through all of the ones that I still don't understand why the correct answer is what it is).

PT 72 Section 2 #16: Why is it D and not E? I have revisited this question many times over the last month and I still get it wrong every. single. time.

Any input would be greatly appreciated

https://www.manhattanprep.com/lsat/foru ... 17411.html

[cherrygalore]

I have another question on LR (I'm going through all of the ones that I still don't understand why the correct answer is what it is).

PT 72 Section 2 #16: Why is it D and not E? I have revisited this question many times over the last month and I still get it wrong every. single. time.

Any input would be greatly appreciated

https://www.manhattanprep.com/lsat/foru ... 17411.html

Argh I know. I read that, but still don't get it.

[Instrumental]

TL;dr Hobbes is back from a break and scored her target score on a test she previously took long long ago, should she continue to worry or will she be okay?

You definitely shouldn't worry. Seems promising, keep up the light studying for the next couple days at least.

[Instrumental]

I have another question on LR (I'm going through all of the ones that I still don't understand why the correct answer is what it is).

PT 72 Section 2 #16: Why is it D and not E? I have revisited this question many times over the last month and I still get it wrong every. single. time.

Any input would be greatly appreciated

https://www.manhattanprep.com/lsat/foru ... 17411.html

Argh I know. I read that, but still don't get it.

So the scenario tells us that there is art work to satisfy virtually any taste imaginable and there is so much that no human being could appreciate them all. The conclusion is that it's wrong for artists now a days to claim that their works can make many people feel more aesthetically fulfilled than they otherwise could. However, that conclusion assumes that no people don't have access to non contemporary artwork that would best fulfill them. This is why D is correct.

E is wrong because the person speaking is not presuming that the great artworks already in the world affects (read: alters) the amount of aesthetic fulfillment able to be derived from contemporary artwork. The person speaking is simply saying that the aesthetic fulfillment derived from contemporary artwork won't exceed the level of appreciation capable from from other artwork because other artwork has already maxed it out.

[34iplaw]

Another twofer.

four section PT no break - 15 min break - 4 section PT no break

PT 48

LR1 -1
LG -0
RC -1
LR2 -1

98->177

[Jeeze, brutal frigen curve man... -8 for a 170? damn]

--15 min break--

PT 64
LR1 -0
LG -3 [ew, third game, wtf mate... going to redo that and any similar games a lot now... careless error on first]
LR2 -2
RC -0 WITH TIME TO SPARE BOOYAHCACHA [topics seemed vaguely familiar, so I definitely had seen them at some point in my studies, but the questions were entirely unfamiliar]

95->176

[Greenteachurro]

Another twofer.

four section PT no break - 15 min break - 4 section PT no break

PT 48

LR1 -1
LG -0
RC -1
LR2 -1

98->177

[Jeeze, brutal frigen curve man... -8 for a 170? damn]

--15 min break--

PT 64
LR1 -0
LG -3 [ew, third game, wtf mate... going to redo that and any similar games a lot now... careless error on first]
LR2 -2
RC -0 WITH TIME TO SPARE BOOYAHCACHA [topics seemed vaguely familiar, so I definitely had seen them at some point in my studies, but the questions were entirely unfamiliar]

95->176

Damn those are some solid RC's, what do you feel has changed about the way you take RC's?

[cherrygalore]

I have another question on LR (I'm going through all of the ones that I still don't understand why the correct answer is what it is).

PT 72 Section 2 #16: Why is it D and not E? I have revisited this question many times over the last month and I still get it wrong every. single. time.

Any input would be greatly appreciated

https://www.manhattanprep.com/lsat/foru ... 17411.html

Argh I know. I read that, but still don't get it.

So the scenario tells us that there is art work to satisfy virtually any taste imaginable and there is so much that no human being could appreciate them all. The conclusion is that it's wrong for artists now a days to claim that their works can make many people feel more aesthetically fulfilled than they otherwise could. However, that conclusion assumes that no people don't have access to non contemporary artwork that would best fulfill them. This is why D is correct.

E is wrong because the person speaking is not presuming that the great artworks already in the world affects (read: alters) the amount of aesthetic fulfillment able to be derived from contemporary artwork. The person speaking is simply saying that the aesthetic fulfillment derived from contemporary artwork won't exceed the level of appreciation capable from from other artwork because other artwork has already maxed it out.

Thank you so much. That helps a lot.

[34iplaw]

Damn those are some solid RC's, what do you feel has changed about the way you take RC's?

Well, the passages aren't necessarily fresh, but I definitely haven't seen them for three months at the absolute earliest [likelier to be four to six months] so the topics seemed vaguely familiar and perhaps that bumped me a little. What I did on both of these is just made sure to right margin notes... sometimes very abstract where I wouldn't understand them without re-reading a passage a month from now... i.e. for the Dotchovskey passage, I started with against 2nd viewpoint whenever there was a new way he differed or disagreed with the radical critics which eventually became "-v2." Mainly forced myself to do structural notes.

[Hobbesy]

TL;dr Hobbes is back from a break and scored her target score on a test she previously took long long ago, should she continue to worry or will she be okay?

You definitely shouldn't worry. Seems promising, keep up the light studying for the next couple days at least.

This makes me feel really really awesome. Thanks so much I'll definitely keep PTing for the sake of brain exercise but I am SO PUMPED

[VMars]

When you have all your finals in the next couple of weeks but you'd rather just study for the LSAT... Honestly as much as I complained about doing a Dec rewrite, I think I'm genuinely going to miss studying for this damn test

[SunDevil14]

Going to knock out many if not all of the flaw questions from PT's 41-60. 7sage flagged this question type as highest priority based on the last handful of PT's I have taken. The priority is based on the high frequency of flaw questions, and a minor weakness, as a opposed to a large weakness. I believe the prior sentenced is evidenced by a 81% accuracy rate. I believe that a reason for a less than ideal accuracy on this question type is twofold: frequency and time. Occasionally I'm a bit rushed at the end of an LR section, and since flaw question appear very frequently, the chances of one or more of the last 5 to 6 questions I speed through are a difficult flaw question is much higher than any one question type.

With less than a week left, I debating whether to really dive into each question one at a time (usual approach), or hammering 25 to 26 questions in 35 minutes?


I feel that former may perhaps be more informative, though the later may better replicate the source of my problem. What are you're guys' thoughts?

Edit: Just thought of an additional approach, that perhaps may be best and free up time to look at other issues. Complying the "hardest" flaw questions, ones that appear in the late teens/twentys are doing those either individually or as timed sections.

[Instrumental]

I think I'm genuinely going to miss studying for this damn test

[34iplaw]

Going to knock out many if not all of the flaw questions from PT's 41-60. 7sage flagged this question type as highest priority based on the last handful of PT's I have taken. The priority is based on the high frequency of flaw questions, and a minor weakness, as a opposed to a large weakness. I believe the prior sentenced is evidenced by a 81% accuracy rate. I believe that a reason for a less than ideal accuracy on this question type is twofold: frequency and time. Occasionally I'm a bit rushed at the end of an LR section, and since flaw question appear very frequently, the chances of one or more of the last 5 to 6 questions I speed through are a difficult flaw question is much higher than any one question type.

With less than a week left, I debating whether to really dive into each question one at a time (usual approach), or hammering 25 to 26 questions in 35 minutes?


I feel that former may perhaps be more informative, though the later may better replicate the source of my problem. What are you're guys' thoughts?

Edit: Just thought of an additional approach, that perhaps may be best and free up time to look at other issues. Complying the "hardest" flaw questions, ones that appear in the late teens/twentys are doing those either individually or as timed sections.

You very well may be passed this hurdle, but I feel one of the things that tends to hurt people is getting hung up on questions early on. For your options, might I say do 25-26 in 35 minutes and then just do them for accuracy? It'll take longer, but I think you'll get more benefit this way. I don't see a need to spend a ton of time double checking answers that were, "Well, duh."

[VMars]

Hey y'all, can anyone explain to me on PT 47: LR Section 1 #22?

I can't find a convincing explanation online anywhere. This is the only one I missed on this section and I spent like five minutes at the end when I went back to it trying to decide which answer. I find it dizzying haha. Please help a chick out here! Thanks team.

I will give it a whirl! Okay, so:

Question: Banned pesticides that are still manufactured/exported in the US = bad. Why? Because it's bad for other countries + these same pesticides are in products imported to the US.

A) Soil = out of scope
B) Who cares? Even SOME banned ones is enough for this argument to hold
C) From this option we have the possibility that it has very little to do with the US that these banned products are being imported here. It's OTHER countries that are manufacturing/exporting them and bringing it back to the US, so this option may weaken the claim that the US exporting them "greatly" increases the risk to themselves
D) Again, who cares. They may be MORE harmful to other countries but still harmful to the US
E) We don't care about other countries being bad. They can all be bad. Why might the US specifically not be bad (what we want to weaken the argument)

Hope this helps a bit! Let me know if I can clarify anything

Thanks! But what if the only other country that uses the pesticides is tiny and doesn't export to the US? What if it's like Cuba circa 2015 and can't export into the US, then it would not effect US consumers at all? It seems too broad. It is making me nuts haha

Hey, sorry for the late reply! I get your worry completely and I agree that none of the answer choices really seem all that appealing. I think you just have to remember that weaken questions aren't necessarily asking you to destroy the argument or anything, just to choose the AC that MOST weakens the argument.

[dj9i27]

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[Instrumental]

Wait is that you praying to god like Tebow because you're definitely taking the test on Saturday.

[dj9i27]

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[34iplaw]

Wait is that you praying to god like Tebow because you're definitely taking the test on Saturday.

I pussied out, shit PT today followed by ~30 angry back and forth texts with the parents; thinking of Feb. or even June (making a pretty big move in january).

Moral of the story, 2016 can go fuck itself.

[dj9i27]

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[Instrumental]

Damn, I'm really sorry to hear that man. Life already is full of enough bullshit without parents having your back on things like this. You'll come out on top in the end though, good luck. And may this shit year be put behind us swiftly.

[dj9i27]

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