real The Official December 2016 Waiters Group - Patience is a Virtue Forum

[dontsaywhatyoumean]

(retaking)

75: 174
76: 178
78: 174
79: 172


anyone want to discuss LR/RC on 79 through PM? can't find good explanations anywhere
Went Lr: -1,-2 RC: -4, LG: -2

Feel free to PM me. I'd skip anything on RC for me though haha.

how the hell is a -7 a 172?

He actually totalled 9 :p

Ah, misread that -1, -2 bit. Still, screw that test's curve.

That's okay.

I too am going to law school to avoid math. LOL

[dj9i27]

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[harveybirdman502]

Any tips for disagree questions? I don't know why, but these always seem to give me more pause then other question types. I think I asked this before, and I apologize if I missed the answer

Wow these are tough. I usually try to focus on each conclusion first and then distinguish the major differences. Though it's often hard to sift through, the support usually offers some additional insight, small as it may be.

[harveybirdman502]

Any tips for disagree questions? I don't know why, but these always seem to give me more pause then other question types. I think I asked this before, and I apologize if I missed the answer

I like 7sage's approach: read the first stim, then go to the answer choices and you can always eliminate at least 2 answers since they'll talk about things that the first person didn't even address. You can't have an opinion on something if you didn't talk about it. Then read the second stim and you'll be able to choose amongst the 2/3 remaining answer choices. Really helps with accuracy when it comes to these questions, try it and see if it works.

Sweet. Will do. I just find that I spend an irrational amount of time on these.

This is great. Will definitely try this in future.

[harveybirdman502]

Quick simple question: Are 'for' and 'by' premise indicators? I know 'since' and 'because' are. And 'to' is a sufficient indicator.

These small words trip me up. What about 'on'?

For is premise. I imagine by would be, but I don't think by on it's own constitutes a phrase.

Thanks again sir. It's always the small stuff that seems to trip me up.



Guess it's a good a place as any to ask if anyone else is taking the test with accommodations?

[SunDevil14]

Starting to work on some of the more difficult LG over the years.

Dinosaur Game: PT57 #3.
-Just under 12 minutes and went 5/6

I worked on the game is quickly as I could while still maintain a degree of accuracy. I know my results are not terrible, just not quite sure if my results are good or just decent.

[dj9i27]

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[34iplaw]

Starting to work on some of the more difficult LG over the years.

Dinosaur Game: PT57 #3.
-Just under 12 minutes and went 5/6

I worked on the game is quickly as I could while still maintain a degree of accuracy. I know my results are not terrible, just not quite sure if my results are good or just decent.

IIRC, a key inference to that game is...

[+] Spoiler

it's really just mauve and not mauve...the Y/G are interchangeable IIRC...

[Instrumental]

So long as they don't throw a PT13 Game 4 at me I'm good. Although I say that, but PT72 f'd me up big time. I think freaking out on that one is what helped make me mentally prepared for the virus game. I just took a deep breath and stuck to my formulaic approach to logic games. Didn't have trouble with it or the dinosaur game.

[SunDevil14]

Starting to work on some of the more difficult LG over the years.

Dinosaur Game: PT57 #3.
-Just under 12 minutes and went 5/6

I worked on the game is quickly as I could while still maintain a degree of accuracy. I know my results are not terrible, just not quite sure if my results are good or just decent.

IIRC, a key inference to that game is...

[+] Spoiler

it's really just mauve and not mauve...the Y/G are interchangeable IIRC...

I realized that^ was going on as I was working, wish I had a better grasp of it up front. I basically rule drove/inference jammed from the limiting possibilities, which there were several. Therefore, I did little diagramming and a lot of the game in my head (My speed method). Given that I can find a great way to diagram most if not all the possibilities rather quickly then I prefer to do so.

[SunDevil14]

I have not tried the virus game yet, will do so next week. I actually did not mind PT 72 game 4, I believe that I missed 1 on an initial attempt, which was due to lack of time rather than misunderstanding. I decided to use three variables. The workers, days of the week, and raw pieces (as different shapes). The result was that you can hammer out most if not all of the possibilities during the set up.

[Pozzo]

PT 74

LR1: -1
LG: -1
RC: -0
LR2: -0

99/180

Holy farts. I can't believe it. Fresh PT taken at Starbucks at 8PM after a long ass day. Had to scramble to finish LG on time. I felt as though this was going to be a 176, tops. Needless to say, this is the exact kind of confidence boost one needs going into the final week. Slow and steady practice this week now, no more than an hour each day.

[Mikey]

PT 74

LR1: -1
LG: -1
RC: -0
LR2: -0

99/180

Holy farts. I can't believe it. Fresh PT taken at Starbucks at 8PM after a long ass day. Had to scramble to finish LG on time. I felt as though this was going to be a 176, tops. Needless to say, this is the exact kind of confidence boost one needs going into the final week. Slow and steady practice this week now, no more than an hour each day.

You're going to slay on Saturday, bro!!! I'm rooting' for ya!

[Instrumental]

Pozzo is our new Shemp. All hail Pozzo!

[Pozzo]

Pozzo is our new Shemp. All hail Pozzo!

Such a mantle is too great for me to bear. I daren't!

[theboringest]

took the PT51 LG set, got a -0 with 5 minutes to spare...aaaaaaaaand check 7sage, the difficulty ratings are 1/5, 2/5, 1/5, 1/5. God. Damnit.

[34iplaw]

doing PT 48 sans break and another after (ie six section test) (finished games like 5 min early)

game four is a really good sequencing that is on the harder spectrum to practice IMO.

damn I hope for something like game 3. They resolve so quickly so its more a test of understanding the truth spectrum.

[cherrygalore]

Hey y'all, can anyone explain to me on PT 47: LR Section 1 #22?

I can't find a convincing explanation online anywhere. This is the only one I missed on this section and I spent like five minutes at the end when I went back to it trying to decide which answer. I find it dizzying haha. Please help a chick out here! Thanks team.

[VMars]

Hey y'all, can anyone explain to me on PT 47: LR Section 1 #22?

I can't find a convincing explanation online anywhere. This is the only one I missed on this section and I spent like five minutes at the end when I went back to it trying to decide which answer. I find it dizzying haha. Please help a chick out here! Thanks team.

I will give it a whirl! Okay, so:

Question: Banned pesticides that are still manufactured/exported in the US = bad. Why? Because it's bad for other countries + these same pesticides are in products imported to the US.

A) Soil = out of scope
B) Who cares? Even SOME banned ones is enough for this argument to hold
C) From this option we have the possibility that it has very little to do with the US that these banned products are being imported here. It's OTHER countries that are manufacturing/exporting them and bringing it back to the US, so this option may weaken the claim that the US exporting them "greatly" increases the risk to themselves
D) Again, who cares. They may be MORE harmful to other countries but still harmful to the US
E) We don't care about other countries being bad. They can all be bad. Why might the US specifically not be bad (what we want to weaken the argument)

Hope this helps a bit! Let me know if I can clarify anything

[cherrygalore]

Hey y'all, can anyone explain to me on PT 47: LR Section 1 #22?

I can't find a convincing explanation online anywhere. This is the only one I missed on this section and I spent like five minutes at the end when I went back to it trying to decide which answer. I find it dizzying haha. Please help a chick out here! Thanks team.

I will give it a whirl! Okay, so:

Question: Banned pesticides that are still manufactured/exported in the US = bad. Why? Because it's bad for other countries + these same pesticides are in products imported to the US.

A) Soil = out of scope
B) Who cares? Even SOME banned ones is enough for this argument to hold
C) From this option we have the possibility that it has very little to do with the US that these banned products are being imported here. It's OTHER countries that are manufacturing/exporting them and bringing it back to the US, so this option may weaken the claim that the US exporting them "greatly" increases the risk to themselves
D) Again, who cares. They may be MORE harmful to other countries but still harmful to the US
E) We don't care about other countries being bad. They can all be bad. Why might the US specifically not be bad (what we want to weaken the argument)

Hope this helps a bit! Let me know if I can clarify anything

Thanks! But what if the only other country that uses the pesticides is tiny and doesn't export to the US? What if it's like Cuba circa 2015 and can't export into the US, then it would not effect US consumers at all? It seems too broad. It is making me nuts haha

[Instrumental]

Completely shit the bed on the second half of the RC for PT50. All my missed answers were in the last 12 questions and of those five were in the last passage since I was low on time and had to fill in blind guesses. idk what happened, my pacing has been consistently good in RC but I couldn't manage it this time. Still came out with a good score though.

PT50
RC: -7
LR1: -1
AR: -0
LR2: -2

Score: 90/170

The fact that I'm feeling miffed about a 170... maybe I need a slap in the face. lmao.

[34iplaw]

Completely shit the bed on the second half of the RC for PT50. All my missed answers were in the last 12 questions and of those five were in the last passage since I was low on time and had to fill in blind guesses. idk what happened, my pacing has been consistently good in RC but I couldn't manage it this time. Still came out with a good score though.

PT50
RC: -7
LR1: -1
AR: -0
LR2: -2

Score: 90/170

The fact that I'm feeling miffed about a 170... maybe I need a slap in the face. lmao.

Yeah - I kinda feel you. I think it's more a matter of performing at expectations. While a 170 is a great score, it's fine to be upset about a score that is below what you believe you are capable of. At the very least, that's how I rationalize my own irrational grief about my September score which was better than like almost 19/20 LSAT takers.

[MindBodyAbs]

Pt 79
LR1:-1
Lr2:-1
RC:-3
LG:-0
177

Asterisk here is that I've already taken it in September, and I reviewed the 4th game in LG pretty extensively.

That audience question on the first RC I still don't understand. How was passage A meant for body builders? Like that didn't make any sense to me.

That was such a garbage question, IIRC. Just finished a 43+50 combo.... 4 sections no break followed by 15 min break followed by next 4 sections.

jumping back into this thread as test day approaches...

the key to the audience Q i think is in the last paragraph of passage A, the sentence starting with "The first time you trained..." passage A is addressing "you", the bodybuilder. plus passage A mentions bodybuilders a couple times in the first paragraph....which actually may be even more of a tip-off. i suppose the AC immediately before the correct one would be tempting, but i don't see anywhere in passage A that specifically mentions being trained by another person, only the activity of "training."

does this make sense, or am i way off base?

[Greenteachurro]

Any tips for disagree questions? I don't know why, but these always seem to give me more pause then other question types. I think I asked this before, and I apologize if I missed the answer

What I do is think about the MP of both of the two stims and then go ahead and identify the difference between the two. Usually the disagreement is in the MP, but sometimes its in the premises. Honestly, I'd just go through and drill like a set of these before test day, they have a really clear pattern between them and if you can pick up on that pattern you can almost know what the disagreement is going to be even before reading the second half of the stim.

[Hobbesy]

Helloooo everyone! Checking back in, how are we?!


Wanted some advice on my progress as the test is a week away. I went on a bit of a hiatus but had (at least) been opening the books at least once a day. I recently took an exam that I scored my target on and I was elated! Took another practice test and I went down a few points but still scoring in my very happy range!

However, I definitely took the first test before. When I took it, it SEEMED familiar, but I took it completely honestly and had no idea what the answers were or what I was looking at. I went back and looked and it was my very first diagnostic test back in February. I went up a solid 20 points. I know the one I took after I had previously taken but I held the same sentiments about it. Didn't recognize a thing tbh. Didn't even finish my logic games section on the first test which is notoriously my best section by far.

So I ask, how seriously should I consider these scores?


TL;dr Hobbes is back from a break and scored her target score on a test she previously took long long ago, should she continue to worry or will she be okay?

[edit: even though I took these diagnostics previously I didn't review the answers the first go round lol I have no excuses for that]
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