real The Official December 2016 Waiters Group - Patience is a Virtue Forum

[ZVBXRPL]

Realistically, the scores you're getting at this point are what you should expect for the actual exam. No chance of taking a rest for a year?

Ive been at this for too long. Want to go debt free. No big law.

[ZVBXRPL]

PT 79

LR 1: -5
RC: -12
LG: -3
LR: -7

160..pretty bummed

I scored a 161 on the real thing previously. Is it worth a retake? Looking for 165 minimum.

Depends what you are averaging. If you are averaging a 160-162 but need a 165, just delay it. It's not the end of the world.

Can't delay. 3rd take. Git a 163 on pt71. 160-3 is avg.

Well, I'd say you should give it your best shot *if* you can't delay, but I would, personally, recommend delaying. I don't think it's entirely reasonable to expect your test day score to beat your average by +3. Where are you losing points / what is your avg section breakdown? Your best bet at squeezing out points are if there is a particular question type you get wrong or struggle that is common. Another semi-common way to improve is that, if you average like -5 to -6 per LR because you aren't finishing but get most things you have time to get to right, try a PT where you force yourself to move on if a question doesn't reveal itself within the first two read throughs.

Finishing everything with extra time. Getting killed on RC. Consistently -5/6 LR. Embarrassing especially when I see people all over here improving.

[34iplaw]

PT 79

LR 1: -5
RC: -12
LG: -3
LR: -7

160..pretty bummed

I scored a 161 on the real thing previously. Is it worth a retake? Looking for 165 minimum.

Depends what you are averaging. If you are averaging a 160-162 but need a 165, just delay it. It's not the end of the world.

Can't delay. 3rd take. Git a 163 on pt71. 160-3 is avg.

Well, I'd say you should give it your best shot *if* you can't delay, but I would, personally, recommend delaying. I don't think it's entirely reasonable to expect your test day score to beat your average by +3. Where are you losing points / what is your avg section breakdown? Your best bet at squeezing out points are if there is a particular question type you get wrong or struggle that is common. Another semi-common way to improve is that, if you average like -5 to -6 per LR because you aren't finishing but get most things you have time to get to right, try a PT where you force yourself to move on if a question doesn't reveal itself within the first two read throughs.

Finishing everything with extra time. Getting killed on RC. Consistently -5/6 LR. Embarrassing especially when I see people all over here improving.

Put your practice tests into 7sage or something. Are you missing any question types in particular on LR or RC?

[ZVBXRPL]

Strengthen weaken, assumption require.

[34iplaw]

Strengthen weaken, assumption require.

I mean that's a lot of the test, so I suppose one could possibly see improvement. Is it logically heavily stimulus, flowerly language, or? i.e. is there anything else they tend to have in common? Or, is it just mostly the harder questions at the end of a section?

[Instrumental]

Well for RC, I have the same advice I gave the other gent on the last page. Also to add to it, don't rush reading through each passage. The quicker you read through the passage, the more time you spend on the questions and that's where you really bleed time. I usually do a 3-5 break down. Three to 3.5 minutes on the passage and five minutes doing the questions.

[SunDevil14]

PT 79

LR 1: -5
RC: -12
LG: -3
LR: -7

160..pretty bummed

I scored a 161 on the real thing previously. Is it worth a retake? Looking for 165 minimum.

Depends what you are averaging. If you are averaging a 160-162 but need a 165, just delay it. It's not the end of the world.

Can't delay. 3rd take. Git a 163 on pt71. 160-3 is avg.

Well, I'd say you should give it your best shot *if* you can't delay, but I would, personally, recommend delaying. I don't think it's entirely reasonable to expect your test day score to beat your average by +3. Where are you losing points / what is your avg section breakdown? Your best bet at squeezing out points are if there is a particular question type you get wrong or struggle that is common. Another semi-common way to improve is that, if you average like -5 to -6 per LR because you aren't finishing but get most things you have time to get to right, try a PT where you force yourself to move on if a question doesn't reveal itself within the first two read throughs.

^This. With minus -12 on LR, I'd bet you could improve a fair amount by focusing on certain weak question types, RC-12 can likely be cut in half with a sustained effort and proper review. LG -3 is decent, you may be able to shave off a point or two. All that being said, a one week time table is quite a stretch.

[harveybirdman502]

Quick simple question: Are 'for' and 'by' premise indicators? I know 'since' and 'because' are. And 'to' is a sufficient indicator.

These small words trip me up. What about 'on'?

[34iplaw]

Quick simple question: Are 'for' and 'by' premise indicators? I know 'since' and 'because' are. And 'to' is a sufficient indicator.

These small words trip me up. What about 'on'?

For is premise. I imagine by would be, but I don't think by on it's own constitutes a phrase.

[dj9i27]

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[34iplaw]

one more day of deciding to postpone or not; as arrogant as it sounds I think a setback to june would have me at a 176+ lock on test day instead of my lofty confidence now. But jesus i want to be done with this shit.

Don't you have until Friday technically?

[ZVBXRPL]

Strengthen weaken, assumption require.

I mean that's a lot of the test, so I suppose one could possibly see improvement. Is it logically heavily stimulus, flowerly language, or? i.e. is there anything else they tend to have in common? Or, is it just mostly the harder questions at the end of a section?

nope. standard stuff all over section, not just in end. i started in 140's btw.

[34iplaw]

Strengthen weaken, assumption require.

I mean that's a lot of the test, so I suppose one could possibly see improvement. Is it logically heavily stimulus, flowerly language, or? i.e. is there anything else they tend to have in common? Or, is it just mostly the harder questions at the end of a section?

nope. standard stuff all over section, not just in end. i started in 140's btw.

I mean - that's great improvement. That said, a few point improvement is hard if you are losing points in a somewhat scattered fashion. You could try the strategy of really just nailing three passages and guessing on the shortest, but you said you finish with time to spare. You can also just try to force yourself to return to questions that give you pause at the end of a section to revisit them.

[ZVBXRPL]

Strengthen weaken, assumption require.

I mean that's a lot of the test, so I suppose one could possibly see improvement. Is it logically heavily stimulus, flowerly language, or? i.e. is there anything else they tend to have in common? Or, is it just mostly the harder questions at the end of a section?

nope. standard stuff all over section, not just in end. i started in 140's btw.

I mean - that's great improvement. That said, a few point improvement is hard if you are losing points in a somewhat scattered fashion. You could try the strategy of really just nailing three passages and guessing on the shortest, but you said you finish with time to spare. You can also just try to force yourself to return to questions that give you pause at the end of a section to revisit them.

I hear. My mom tells me to apply with 161 and forget about it. my brother says to suck it up and study. Got killed on muscle passage and eil. grey. virus game too.

[Alexandros]

one more day of deciding to postpone or not; as arrogant as it sounds I think a setback to june would have me at a 176+ lock on test day instead of my lofty confidence now. But jesus i want to be done with this shit.

Wouldn't a 176 + or something close be a near lock now, as it is, given your PT range? Then, if something goes wrong, couldn't you re-take in June?
crashing the Dec group again sorry folks

[Instrumental]

one more day of deciding to postpone or not; as arrogant as it sounds I think a setback to june would have me at a 176+ lock on test day instead of my lofty confidence now. But jesus i want to be done with this shit.

At the end of the day you've gotta do what's best for you but... man I want to see how well you do on this. I'm rooting for ya.

[dj9i27]

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[34iplaw]

Any tips for disagree questions? I don't know why, but these always seem to give me more pause then other question types. I think I asked this before, and I apologize if I missed the answer

[StopLawying]

Any tips for disagree questions? I don't know why, but these always seem to give me more pause then other question types. I think I asked this before, and I apologize if I missed the answer

I like 7sage's approach: read the first stim, then go to the answer choices and you can always eliminate at least 2 answers since they'll talk about things that the first person didn't even address. You can't have an opinion on something if you didn't talk about it. Then read the second stim and you'll be able to choose amongst the 2/3 remaining answer choices. Really helps with accuracy when it comes to these questions, try it and see if it works.

[34iplaw]

Any tips for disagree questions? I don't know why, but these always seem to give me more pause then other question types. I think I asked this before, and I apologize if I missed the answer

I like 7sage's approach: read the first stim, then go to the answer choices and you can always eliminate at least 2 answers since they'll talk about things that the first person didn't even address. You can't have an opinion on something if you didn't talk about it. Then read the second stim and you'll be able to choose amongst the 2/3 remaining answer choices. Really helps with accuracy when it comes to these questions, try it and see if it works.

Sweet. Will do. I just find that I spend an irrational amount of time on these.

[dontsaywhatyoumean]

I wouldn't force a prephrase. For certain Qs like weaken, sufficient, evaluate the role, main conclusion, these are obviously easy to prephrase a lot of the time. It's occasionally helpful with RA, but like MBT and MSS, the answer choices can be so unexpected that it's not worth it. I even find that to be the case with strengthen too. I don't feel like they're as predictable as weaken. The value of prephrase varies by question type is what I mean.

Thanks, I have found this to be the case too.

I just did PT 71:

-6 LR
-5 LG
-5 LR
-2 RC

So 82/167.

Wow (as I think Dj said earlier) that test was incredibly curved. RC used to be my death knell and now I look at it as a fun break to do some interesting reading. It doesn't require the same brain power as LR seems to take me at the moment.

LG is still the typical, go 100% minus 1 rule substitution question on 3 games, and then bubble in the same later for the final game you didn't get to.

[quigleyest]

(retaking)

75: 174
76: 178
78: 174
79: 172


anyone want to discuss LR/RC on 79 through PM? can't find good explanations anywhere
Went Lr: -1,-2 RC: -4, LG: -2

[34iplaw]

(retaking)

75: 174
76: 178
78: 174
79: 172


anyone want to discuss LR/RC on 79 through PM? can't find good explanations anywhere
Went Lr: -1,-2 RC: -4, LG: -2

Feel free to PM me. I'd skip anything on RC for me though haha.

how the hell is a -7 a 172?

[dontsaywhatyoumean]

(retaking)

75: 174
76: 178
78: 174
79: 172


anyone want to discuss LR/RC on 79 through PM? can't find good explanations anywhere
Went Lr: -1,-2 RC: -4, LG: -2

Feel free to PM me. I'd skip anything on RC for me though haha.

how the hell is a -7 a 172?

He actually totalled 9 :p

[34iplaw]

(retaking)

75: 174
76: 178
78: 174
79: 172


anyone want to discuss LR/RC on 79 through PM? can't find good explanations anywhere
Went Lr: -1,-2 RC: -4, LG: -2

Feel free to PM me. I'd skip anything on RC for me though haha.

how the hell is a -7 a 172?

He actually totalled 9 :p

Ah, misread that -1, -2 bit. Still, screw that test's curve.