The Official September 2016 Study Group - WAKE ME UP WHEN SEPTEMBER ENDS Forum

[Dodocogon]

Morning! Off to my internship, might be a bit late but I don't really give a shit, haha. Brought my drilling Cambridge book with me so that way during my lunch break I can work on something.

Lol, I'm at the point where if I show up by 8:15 I'm good - bad that that's crept into my morning routine though! Drilling at work is nice, I'm able to do it at my afternoon job... getting paid to prep is fine by me!

[Mikey]

Morning! Off to my internship, might be a bit late but I don't really give a shit, haha. Brought my drilling Cambridge book with me so that way during my lunch break I can work on something.

Lol, I'm at the point where if I show up by 8:15 I'm good - bad that that's crept into my morning routine though! Drilling at work is nice, I'm able to do it at my afternoon job... getting paid to prep is fine by me!

Lol I just don't care because I was at this internship last year and I know how things work around here. And plus, I'm always on time so a few minutes won't kill anyone

[MyNameIsntJames]

Making Progress.

Took a time PT last week

167

LR 1: -4
LR 2: -2
RC: -4
LG: -6

I was a bit bummed out, since I think I could have hit a 170. I made a stupid mistake and misrepresented a rule in the first game. It cost me several minutes, and thus had to really rush the final game in the section, as well as the other games to a lesser extent.

If you occasionally make small errors in representing the initial rules, is it better to re-read and check the rules after diagramming all the rules or after each rule? I do not make this mistake too often, but once every few game sets is troubling since my goal is a 170+

A big key to LG would be getting everything down correctly the first time in an ideal world. Its possible to go back and re-read...but if you're already 3-4 questions in and you realized you completely botched a rule you might be fucked unless you can make that mental adjustment very quickly and not spend more than 2-3 minutes figuring out where you went wrong and correcting your error and not letting it psyche you out for the rest of the LG section.

[proteinshake]

I feel like I perform better with a sharpened, rather than a dull, pencil. mind games.

[theboringest]

Joining in this thread, been lurking for a while...started studying in June with a 159 practice, I've been focusing exclusively on logic games since that section was an absolute bloodbath. My most recent PT scores were 168 and 169 respectively. It seems like I've milked all the low hanging improvement out of logic games, my biggest issue now is time, I never finish all the questions in the allotted amount of time. Just gotta drill I guess. LG Bible followed by drilling games and watching the 7Sage video has been hugely helpful for me, especially in getting my brain to a place where I can see the underlying concepts behind a game. I'll start mixing in LR studying this week as that's where the other missed points are coming from...seems like there isn't as much of a consensus on the best LR prep material as there is on LG.

Yeah, that's because LG is more "mathematical" than LR. You can approach LR in this way, but it is often more nuanced. I'm using 7sage, but if you want their LR stuff you gotta at least buy their starter pack ($180). I've heard great things about the LRB, PowerScores a great prep company and you should be fine with them. The LSAT Trainer and Manhattan are also supposed to be very good. From my understanding RC is the toughy to improve on.

Also, that's a great diagnostic, mine was about the same (157). Last test I took was a 160 (163 after BR) after a week of studying. Assuming you're also in the 170+ camp, you're almost there with a lot of time left. If you've only focused on games at this point, then you're in even better shape because once you start you'll see a lot of improvement. Good luck.

oh sweet, I really liked the LG Bible so good to hear that people had good results for the LR version. Not sure if I'm ready to drop that kinda money for 7sage just yet, but then again if it's as helpful for LR as it has been for games might be worth it...

[Dodocogon]

I feel like I perform better with a sharpened, rather than a dull, pencil. mind games.

Dull pencils are better for bubbling though!

[proteinshake]

I feel like I perform better with a sharpened, rather than a dull, pencil. mind games.

Dull pencils are better for bubbling though!

I dont bubble until after I do all the problems on a page so usually by the time I need to bubble my pencil is sufficiently dull!

[Pozzo]

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[Barack O'Drama]

Got through 5 groupings last night, went -2 overall, but nowhere near target time. I'm finding that I have an easier time grasping the ordering games conceptually than I am the grouping games. Gonna slog through another chunk today to help the concepts click.

Same Grouping games just take me so much longer and I'm always second guessing myself. Going to read Manhattan LGs chapter on grouping and try out their logic chain again. Then going to re-read LG Bible Grouping and see if one clicks...

[34iplaw]

Good afternoon party people.

[proteinshake]

Got through 5 groupings last night, went -2 overall, but nowhere near target time. I'm finding that I have an easier time grasping the ordering games conceptually than I am the grouping games. Gonna slog through another chunk today to help the concepts click.

Same Grouping games just take me so much longer and I'm always second guessing myself. Going to read Manhattan LGs chapter on grouping and try out their logic chain again. Then going to re-read LG Bible Grouping and see if one clicks...

remember the logic chain only applies to certain grouping games, not all of them: pure conditional grouping games! (conditional in/out games).

[Barack O'Drama]

Got through 5 groupings last night, went -2 overall, but nowhere near target time. I'm finding that I have an easier time grasping the ordering games conceptually than I am the grouping games. Gonna slog through another chunk today to help the concepts click.

Same Grouping games just take me so much longer and I'm always second guessing myself. Going to read Manhattan LGs chapter on grouping and try out their logic chain again. Then going to re-read LG Bible Grouping and see if one clicks...

remember the logic chain only applies to certain grouping games, not all of them: pure conditional grouping games! (conditional in/out games).

Thanks Protein. I haven't read through the chapter completely on the logic chain. But I can see how it makes sense it would only work for in/out grouping. I felt like it made me really prone to mistakes and kind of have been trying to hack in/out games without it. However, I am really slow and often find myself just kind of lost when tackling the questions. It does seem to work amazing on the right games, but for most I find it more of a liability.

[Pozzo]

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[Barack O'Drama]

Got through 5 groupings last night, went -2 overall, but nowhere near target time. I'm finding that I have an easier time grasping the ordering games conceptually than I am the grouping games. Gonna slog through another chunk today to help the concepts click.

Same Grouping games just take me so much longer and I'm always second guessing myself. Going to read Manhattan LGs chapter on grouping and try out their logic chain again. Then going to re-read LG Bible Grouping and see if one clicks...

remember the logic chain only applies to certain grouping games, not all of them: pure conditional grouping games! (conditional in/out games).

Thanks Protein. I haven't read through the chapter completely on the logic chain. But I can see how it makes sense it would only work for in/out grouping. I felt like it made me really prone to mistakes and kind of have been trying to hack in/out games without it. However, I am really slow and often find myself just kind of lost when tackling the questions. It does seem to work amazing on the right games, but for most I find it more of a liability.

Yeah, it seems to me that a lot of the grouping games out there are much more question-driven. Either that or I'm just struggling to connect the dots and find the inferences. Not sure if it's the same as Manhattan, but I was watching a 7sage explanation on PT 36 game 1 (fruit stand), and he used a logic chain that really opened up the question. I think get I get hung up looking for more to plug into the initial setup rather than applying the rules question by question.

Just yachted that video on 7Sage and that seems to be the way I am more comfortable tackling in/out games. The logic chain Manhattan uses is similar, but more rigid in a chart. It is much harder to pair down and isolate rules like JY does.

Thank you tremendously! I am going to begin doing my in/out games this way from now on. Much better! I love 7Sage

[Alexandros]

Definitely BR-ing every LR section here on out. The points will come, eventually... We will get there.
Tomorrow - hopefully can make time for both LG and RC before work. Going to quickly photocopy all the games I've done in the 50s. Keep drilling, drilling, drilling. And another chapter or two of MLSAT LR.

Hoping my books will manage to arrive tomorrow or the day after

That's the attitude I need to adopt. Working while studying for the LSAT sucks. The only upside is that when I do study I find myself at near-100% efficiency. I literally use a timer to keep track of every minute I study. I try to get in 2.5 hours before work. And 2.5 hours after work. Lately I've been working from home, so I have had the freedom to kind of structure my work around my studying.

But there aren't enough hours in the day sometimes!

What books did you order??

Yeah, it is struggle. haha yeah definitely no time to screw around too much, or the day is finished before you know it.
That's impressive! I keep telling myself I'll get some serious time in before work but I keep oversleeping. A timer's a great idea! Might try it. I find I spend far too much time staring at the ceiling/being unproductive between sections.

I ordered the first 10 Actual Official (7-18) (lol finally) and Manhattan's 10 Real LSATs Grouped by Question Type. The latter says out for delivery - yay! Can start doing some serious, much needed, by type LR drilling (+ more LG and RC!) If search inside is telling the truth, this thing is over 800 pages. Dope.

[legallyadog]

Well today has been productive for me. Finally realized the 7sage logo is a gavel, not a bird.

[Pozzo]

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[34iplaw]

Got through 5 groupings last night, went -2 overall, but nowhere near target time. I'm finding that I have an easier time grasping the ordering games conceptually than I am the grouping games. Gonna slog through another chunk today to help the concepts click.

Same Grouping games just take me so much longer and I'm always second guessing myself. Going to read Manhattan LGs chapter on grouping and try out their logic chain again. Then going to re-read LG Bible Grouping and see if one clicks...

remember the logic chain only applies to certain grouping games, not all of them: pure conditional grouping games! (conditional in/out games).

Thanks Protein. I haven't read through the chapter completely on the logic chain. But I can see how it makes sense it would only work for in/out grouping. I felt like it made me really prone to mistakes and kind of have been trying to hack in/out games without it. However, I am really slow and often find myself just kind of lost when tackling the questions. It does seem to work amazing on the right games, but for most I find it more of a liability.

Yeah, it seems to me that a lot of the grouping games out there are much more question-driven. Either that or I'm just struggling to connect the dots and find the inferences. Not sure if it's the same as Manhattan, but I was watching a 7sage explanation on PT 36 game 1 (fruit stand), and he used a logic chain that really opened up the question. I think get I get hung up looking for more to plug into the initial setup rather than applying the rules question by question.

Just yachted that video on 7Sage and that seems to be the way I am more comfortable tackling in/out games. The logic chain Manhattan uses is similar, but more rigid in a chart. It is much harder to pair down and isolate rules like JY does.

Thank you tremendously! I am going to begin doing my in/out games this way from now on. Much better! I love 7Sage

That's a verb I can get behind. Yachted.

I yachted. He/she yachted.

Well today has been productive for me. Finally realized the 7sage logo is a gavel, not a bird.

Isn't it a winged gavel?

Quickly going to do the Manhattan Prep 'Miserably Hard' 4 ordering game section before checking out their grouping stuff.

I really hate the game with specialties and professors. It's super simple, but, in trying to do it quickly, I got two wrong from misreading the stem. Beyond ridiculous.

[proteinshake]

ugh I did the first three sections but I have to get to a doctors appointment now. I guess this will be a very long section break

on a positive note, I think there's a chance I might break 173+ this time!

[34iplaw]

ugh I did the first three sections but I have to get to a doctors appointment now. I guess this will be a very long section break

on a positive note, I think there's a chance I might break 173+ this time!

Let's hope not! That sounds like really dangerous hypertension.

Bah dum tss.

[legallyadog]

Well today has been productive for me. Finally realized the 7sage logo is a gavel, not a bird.

*leans in to whisper* "it's both"

At least I recognize the gavel part now... I really thought it was just a bird and was so confused on why a LSAT prep site would have a bird logo

[proteinshake]

ugh I did the first three sections but I have to get to a doctors appointment now. I guess this will be a very long section break

on a positive note, I think there's a chance I might break 173+ this time!

Let's hope not! That sounds like really dangerous hypertension.

Bah dum tss.

[Pozzo]

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[CoGar]

Just kind of thinking out loud but feel free to throw some advice my way:

About 2/3 of the way through the LSAT Trainer
about 1/6 of the way through LG Bible

Starting Testmasters in person course tomorrow, should i abandoned these above materials for the time being and completely delve into Testmasters philosophy.... they provide us with so much material and i'm paying big $$ for the course so my initial thought is to only focus on the course material....

Feel free to chime if in you think I should supplement TestMasters with LG Bible or Trainer..

Thanks alot fools

[Pozzo]

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