real The Official December 2016 Waiters Group - Patience is a Virtue Forum

[StopLawying]

PT 77: 169

RC: -2
LR: -1
LG: -5
LR: -5

Phuck it! I actually feel pretty well about my performance, though its not a 170+. Game 3 on the LG games section was pretty damn strange, I had no good idea how to diagram the game so I did the entirety of the game in my head perfectly with no mistakes. The funny/sad part is that I messed up on making my diagram (and therefore messed up on the questions) for the fourth game which was actually an easy game that I usually dominate.

I am staying confident. I believe the chances of resorting to doing an entire difficult game in my head are slim, and even slimmer are chances of doing the entire game in my head and making a dumb error when drawing out the diagram for a preceding game.

I will admit, screwing up on the games, where I usually do best, threw my rhythm and Mojo off for the final LR section. I threw an additional LG section for the final section and went -0 while completing it in less than 30 minutes.

The -2 on RC is terrific, nice job. You're ready!

[StopLawying]

Guys I'm not the healthiest eater out there. Should I be making any dietary changes this week so that I'm in better shape physically and mentally for test day, or am I overthinking this?

Nah... stick to what keeps you running in your comfort zone IMO. There's no reason to drastically change your diet from what you've been eating while you PT imo.

Just finished PT 46... I will say that game 4 is super good for learning about answer choices that can be eliminated b/c they are logically equivalent.

For the questions,

[+] Spoiler

#18 has two pairs of logically equivalent answers
#19 has a pair of logically equivalent answers
#20 has a pair of logically equivalent answers
#21 has a pair of logically equivalent answers
#22 has a pair of logically equivalent answers.

PT 48

RC -0 (SWOOOOOOSH)
LR1 -1 (I got one on a question I was pretty unsure about [#21], so I'll review it but I'm counting it)
LR2 -1 [#15]
LG -0 (SWOOSH)

Raw Score: 97/99
Converted: 179

So close, but still beat my best of 177.

Some LR questions seemed vaguely familiar possibly from Testmasters homework and I had seen the LG before, but -0 isn't atypical for LG for me. Either way, SUCK IT RC.

Ok, thanks guys

[SunDevil14]

Guys I'm not the healthiest eater out there. Should I be making any dietary changes this week so that I'm in better shape physically and mentally for test day, or am I overthinking this?

Nah... stick to what keeps you running in your comfort zone IMO. There's no reason to drastically change your diet from what you've been eating while you PT imo.

Just finished PT 46... I will say that game 4 is super good for learning about answer choices that can be eliminated b/c they are logically equivalent.

For the questions,

[+] Spoiler

#18 has two pairs of logically equivalent answers
#19 has a pair of logically equivalent answers
#20 has a pair of logically equivalent answers
#21 has a pair of logically equivalent answers
#22 has a pair of logically equivalent answers.

PT 48

RC -0 (SWOOOOOOSH)
LR1 -1 (I got one on a question I was pretty unsure about [#21], so I'll review it but I'm counting it)
LR2 -1 [#15]
LG -0 (SWOOSH)

Raw Score: 97/99
Converted: 179

So close, but still beat my best of 177.

Some LR questions seemed vaguely familiar possibly from Testmasters homework and I had seen the LG before, but -0 isn't atypical for LG for me. Either way, SUCK IT RC.

Ok, thanks guys

I wouldn't worry too much about drastic dietary changes, just eat sensible the day before and the morning of the test (i.e. that won't get you sick or have you feeling like shit). Eating healthy always helps, but really straining yourself and or going out of your way to stick a certain diet the week before the test is unnecessary. TBH basic breakfast foods: eggs, beagle, oatmeal, yogurt, toast, etc. are perfectly fine.

[harveybirdman502]

I'm feeling way better than I was a couple of days ago on LR. I'm doing better than I ever have actually (being more consistent).

It's stupid, but I needed to start treating it more like RC. Now I make sure that I understand the argument before looking at the question, and I try to prephrase after I read the question. Often the correct answer just pops out.

Before I'd do well on LR (-2 to -3 per section), but when I took the LSAT the first time, I don't think I did as well (nondisclosed) because the stress of test day interfered with my kind of intuitive method. This more mechanical method I'm using now I find lets me do much better on the final few questions when time is running out as well.



Questions:

I have a couple of questions though. Do you guys force a prephrase, for example, if it's not immediately or almost immediately apparent, do you spend a bit of extra time thinking of one?

I'm not sure how helpful the prephrase is. It *feels* helpful though.

Also, do you kind of go more based on intuition for the early questions because they're maybe easier?

I wouldn't force a prephrase. For certain Qs like weaken, sufficient, evaluate the role, main conclusion, these are obviously easy to prephrase a lot of the time. It's occasionally helpful with RA, but like MBT and MSS, the answer choices can be so unexpected that it's not worth it. I even find that to be the case with strengthen too. I don't feel like they're as predictable as weaken. The value of prephrase varies by question type is what I mean.

[connordalto]

PT 77: 169

RC: -2
LR: -1
LG: -5
LR: -5

Phuck it! I actually feel pretty well about my performance, though its not a 170+. Game 3 on the LG games section was pretty damn strange, I had no good idea how to diagram the game so I did the entirety of the game in my head perfectly with no mistakes. The funny/sad part is that I messed up on making my diagram (and therefore messed up on the questions) for the fourth game which was actually an easy game that I usually dominate.

I am staying confident. I believe the chances of resorting to doing an entire difficult game in my head are slim, and even slimmer are chances of doing the entire game in my head and making a dumb error when drawing out the diagram for a preceding game.

I will admit, screwing up on the games, where I usually do best, threw my rhythm and Mojo off for the final LR section. I threw an additional LG section for the final section and went -0 while completing it in less than 30 minutes.

Wow we just took the same test, same score.
PT 77
RC -2
LR -4
LG -3
LR-4
169

Wow... I thought this was a very hard lsat, in comparison. Started out with a back to back RC experimental, added a third LR as section 3.

LR kept you on your toes, RC I thought I bombed but lucked out I guess, and I thought LG was difficult. I did games 1, 2, and 4 -0 and then went -3 on the third, couldnt figure it out. What a weird game. Really hoping they dont throw a type of this in the mix next Sat.

Also thought LR2 was a really hard section, considering all the formal logic and 26 questions. Got a couple lucky guesses in there so without that I was probably more around a ~165. Probably good to expect a LR section like this on Sat as well, though. But I'm also happy with a 169 on this test, makes me a little more confident in my abilities when shit goes awry.

[theboringest]

7Sage difficulty rating for RC passage 1: 1/5. Took me ten minutes, got two wrong.

7Sage difficulty rating for RC passage 2: 5/5. Took me five and a half minutes, 0 wrong.

That's fine who needs consistency?

[SunDevil14]

PT 77: 169

RC: -2
LR: -1
LG: -5
LR: -5

Phuck it! I actually feel pretty well about my performance, though its not a 170+. Game 3 on the LG games section was pretty damn strange, I had no good idea how to diagram the game so I did the entirety of the game in my head perfectly with no mistakes. The funny/sad part is that I messed up on making my diagram (and therefore messed up on the questions) for the fourth game which was actually an easy game that I usually dominate.

I am staying confident. I believe the chances of resorting to doing an entire difficult game in my head are slim, and even slimmer are chances of doing the entire game in my head and making a dumb error when drawing out the diagram for a preceding game.

I will admit, screwing up on the games, where I usually do best, threw my rhythm and Mojo off for the final LR section. I threw an additional LG section for the final section and went -0 while completing it in less than 30 minutes.

Wow we just took the same test, same score.
PT 77
RC -2
LR -4
LG -3
LR-4
169

Wow... I thought this was a very hard lsat, in comparison. Started out with a back to back RC experimental, added a third LR as section 3.

LR kept you on your toes, RC I thought I bombed but lucked out I guess, and I thought LG was difficult. I did games 1, 2, and 4 -0 and then went -3 on the third, couldnt figure it out. What a weird game. Really hoping they dont throw a type of this in the mix next Sat.

Also thought LR2 was a really hard section, considering all the formal logic and 26 questions. Got a couple lucky guesses in there so without that I was probably more around a ~165. Probably good to expect a LR section like this on Sat as well, though. But I'm also happy with a 169 on this test, makes me a little more confident in my abilities when shit goes awry.

I doubt the test on Saturday will be as difficult. LR 2 was one of tougher LR sections I have encountered in the 70 series. Game 3 was not incredibly tough, rather a massive time sink, which can either cause problems for you on Game 4 or Cause problems if you have not completed the other 3 with plenty of time. I wish I had attempted game 4 first like you had.

GL on Test Day. If all else fails and we end up with 169, then that would not be too bad.

[Nichilismo]

I'm scoring high 160's right now but I can't seem to break this brutal -5 to -8 RC score, missing between 1-3 per LR and 0-3 on LG, would be nice if I could somehow pull it together for the test on saturday.

[VMars]

PT 77 / 170

RC: -3
LR: -1
LG: -6
LR: -2

me @ myself: stop wasting time on games and move on when it's not clicking please for the love of god. ended up leaving 4 blank on games.

I was worried the 2nd LR would be worse because it took more time than usual but I'm happy with -2. Finally think I've gotten over this weird mental block I had about changing answers when looking them over.

[VMars]

PT 77: 169

RC: -2
LR: -1
LG: -5
LR: -5

Phuck it! I actually feel pretty well about my performance, though its not a 170+. Game 3 on the LG games section was pretty damn strange, I had no good idea how to diagram the game so I did the entirety of the game in my head perfectly with no mistakes. The funny/sad part is that I messed up on making my diagram (and therefore messed up on the questions) for the fourth game which was actually an easy game that I usually dominate.

I am staying confident. I believe the chances of resorting to doing an entire difficult game in my head are slim, and even slimmer are chances of doing the entire game in my head and making a dumb error when drawing out the diagram for a preceding game.

I will admit, screwing up on the games, where I usually do best, threw my rhythm and Mojo off for the final LR section. I threw an additional LG section for the final section and went -0 while completing it in less than 30 minutes.

Wow we just took the same test, same score.
PT 77
RC -2
LR -4
LG -3
LR-4
169

Wow... I thought this was a very hard lsat, in comparison. Started out with a back to back RC experimental, added a third LR as section 3.

LR kept you on your toes, RC I thought I bombed but lucked out I guess, and I thought LG was difficult. I did games 1, 2, and 4 -0 and then went -3 on the third, couldnt figure it out. What a weird game. Really hoping they dont throw a type of this in the mix next Sat.

Also thought LR2 was a really hard section, considering all the formal logic and 26 questions. Got a couple lucky guesses in there so without that I was probably more around a ~165. Probably good to expect a LR section like this on Sat as well, though. But I'm also happy with a 169 on this test, makes me a little more confident in my abilities when shit goes awry.

I doubt the test on Saturday will be as difficult. LR 2 was one of tougher LR sections I have encountered in the 70 series. Game 3 was not incredibly tough, rather a massive time sink, which can either cause problems for you on Game 4 or Cause problems if you have not completed the other 3 with plenty of time. I wish I had attempted game 4 first like you had.

GL on Test Day. If all else fails and we end up with 169, then that would not be too bad.

Ha, looks like today is the day for PT 77

[Instrumental]

I'm scoring high 160's right now but I can't seem to break this brutal -5 to -8 RC score, missing between 1-3 per LR and 0-3 on LG, would be nice if I could somehow pull it together for the test on saturday.

RC is definitely tough, I think it has finally come together for me (knock on wood). Redoing older RC passages does help make things click. Also, the VIEWSTAMP approach from Power Score is helpful in honing your focus on the key elements (Viewpoints, Structure, Tone, Arguments, and Main Point). I also highly recommend reading through all five answer choices before reviewing the text unless the answer is obvious in which case just pick it and move on. A lot of times a seemingly difficult question is easily answered once you see what your choices are. That all being said, not sure what your timeline is and if it's an option, but you can always push back your test date and wait until you feel confident with RC to move forward.

[Nichilismo]

Redoing older RC passages does help make things click. Also, the VIEWSTAMP approach from Power Score is helpful in honing your focus on the key elements (Viewpoints, Structure, Tone, Arguments, and Main Point).

Yeah, I just started doing this today due to running out of materials and I've noticed it reinforces concepts, should have been obvious because I've been doing this for LR and LG to great avail. Just a classic case of RC getting the least attention, I am hoping to apply this cycle and I don't want to wait til March to get my results back and apply to less schools due to me missing many deadlines. I'll be ecstatic with a 170 or honestly anything above a 167.

[Greenteachurro]

Pt 79
LR1:-1
Lr2:-1
RC:-3
LG:-0
177

Asterisk here is that I've already taken it in September, and I reviewed the 4th game in LG pretty extensively.

That audience question on the first RC I still don't understand. How was passage A meant for body builders? Like that didn't make any sense to me.

[34iplaw]

Pt 79
LR1:-1
Lr2:-1
RC:-3
LG:-0
177

Asterisk here is that I've already taken it in September, and I reviewed the 4th game in LG pretty extensively.

That audience question on the first RC I still don't understand. How was passage A meant for body builders? Like that didn't make any sense to me.

That was such a garbage question, IIRC. Just finished a 43+50 combo.... 4 sections no break followed by 15 min break followed by next 4 sections.

[dj9i27]

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[connordalto]

PT 77: 169

RC: -2
LR: -1
LG: -5
LR: -5

Phuck it! I actually feel pretty well about my performance, though its not a 170+. Game 3 on the LG games section was pretty damn strange, I had no good idea how to diagram the game so I did the entirety of the game in my head perfectly with no mistakes. The funny/sad part is that I messed up on making my diagram (and therefore messed up on the questions) for the fourth game which was actually an easy game that I usually dominate.

I am staying confident. I believe the chances of resorting to doing an entire difficult game in my head are slim, and even slimmer are chances of doing the entire game in my head and making a dumb error when drawing out the diagram for a preceding game.

I will admit, screwing up on the games, where I usually do best, threw my rhythm and Mojo off for the final LR section. I threw an additional LG section for the final section and went -0 while completing it in less than 30 minutes.

Wow we just took the same test, same score.
PT 77
RC -2
LR -4
LG -3
LR-4
169

Wow... I thought this was a very hard lsat, in comparison. Started out with a back to back RC experimental, added a third LR as section 3.

LR kept you on your toes, RC I thought I bombed but lucked out I guess, and I thought LG was difficult. I did games 1, 2, and 4 -0 and then went -3 on the third, couldnt figure it out. What a weird game. Really hoping they dont throw a type of this in the mix next Sat.

Also thought LR2 was a really hard section, considering all the formal logic and 26 questions. Got a couple lucky guesses in there so without that I was probably more around a ~165. Probably good to expect a LR section like this on Sat as well, though. But I'm also happy with a 169 on this test, makes me a little more confident in my abilities when shit goes awry.

I doubt the test on Saturday will be as difficult. LR 2 was one of tougher LR sections I have encountered in the 70 series. Game 3 was not incredibly tough, rather a massive time sink, which can either cause problems for you on Game 4 or Cause problems if you have not completed the other 3 with plenty of time. I wish I had attempted game 4 first like you had.

GL on Test Day. If all else fails and we end up with 169, then that would not be too bad.

Ya hopefully the LSAT gods will look kindly upon us, good luck to you too.

[34iplaw]

PT 43 (no breaks)

RC, abysmal, worst ever, spent way too much time on the code switch passage.
LR1 -2
LG -0
LR2 -4

Lesson learned: definitely do warm ups.

-15 min break-

PT 50 (no breaks)

RC -3 (missed one, other two I didn't get two and didn't want to credit a guess)
LR1 -1
LG -1 (kind of tight timing wise, but last two questions of last game were easy compared to rest of that game)
LR2 -1

95 --> 176

[ZVBXRPL]

PT 79

LR 1: -5
RC: -12
LG: -3
LR: -7

160..pretty bummed

I scored a 161 on the real thing previously. Is it worth a retake? Looking for 165 minimum.

[34iplaw]

PT 79

LR 1: -5
RC: -12
LG: -3
LR: -7

160..pretty bummed

I scored a 161 on the real thing previously. Is it worth a retake? Looking for 165 minimum.

Depends what you are averaging. If you are averaging a 160-162 but need a 165, just delay it. It's not the end of the world.

[SunDevil14]

PT 79

LR 1: -5
RC: -12
LG: -3
LR: -7

160..pretty bummed

I scored a 161 on the real thing previously. Is it worth a retake? Looking for 165 minimum.

Do you think that have a reasonable short of getting 165+ and this was more of an outlier, or...

[Instrumental]

Just finished some practice sections and I'M READY FOR THIS TEST

[ZVBXRPL]

PT 79

LR 1: -5
RC: -12
LG: -3
LR: -7

160..pretty bummed

I scored a 161 on the real thing previously. Is it worth a retake? Looking for 165 minimum.

Depends what you are averaging. If you are averaging a 160-162 but need a 165, just delay it. It's not the end of the world.

Can't delay. 3rd take. Git a 163 on pt71. 160-3 is avg.

[ZVBXRPL]

PT 79

LR 1: -5
RC: -12
LG: -3
LR: -7

160..pretty bummed

I scored a 161 on the real thing previously. Is it worth a retake? Looking for 165 minimum.

Do you think that have a reasonable short of getting 165+ and this was more of an outlier, or...

Not an outlier. Averaged 160-163. Am i waisting my time at this point?

[Instrumental]

Realistically, the scores you're getting at this point are what you should expect for the actual exam. No chance of taking a rest for a year?

[34iplaw]

PT 79

LR 1: -5
RC: -12
LG: -3
LR: -7

160..pretty bummed

I scored a 161 on the real thing previously. Is it worth a retake? Looking for 165 minimum.

Depends what you are averaging. If you are averaging a 160-162 but need a 165, just delay it. It's not the end of the world.

Can't delay. 3rd take. Git a 163 on pt71. 160-3 is avg.

Well, I'd say you should give it your best shot *if* you can't delay, but I would, personally, recommend delaying. I don't think it's entirely reasonable to expect your test day score to beat your average by +3. Where are you losing points / what is your avg section breakdown? Your best bet at squeezing out points are if there is a particular question type you get wrong or struggle that is common. Another semi-common way to improve is that, if you average like -5 to -6 per LR because you aren't finishing but get most things you have time to get to right, try a PT where you force yourself to move on if a question doesn't reveal itself within the first two read throughs.