real The Official December 2016 Waiters Group - Patience is a Virtue Forum

[dj9i27]

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[batlaw]

the thought of withdrawing and waiting until June just crossed my mind... bad or good?

Why are you considering that?

Ah, I'm having shades of similar thoughts. Mainly, I feel like I am still improving and that if I studied more I could definitely do better. However, I feel like there is a pretty good chance that sitting in December will get me a "good enough" score. February, would just be silly on all accounts? I wish we had more than 3 takes available (this will be my second). I mostly just wish that I had realized that the LSAT was something one should study for before August!

[dj9i27]

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[batlaw]

Hey guys - a question on sufficient/necessary diagrams. In 32.1.19 there is an answer choice (B) that says infers behavior is altruistic merely because it seems altruistic. This is saying that seeming altruistic is sufficient for behavior to be altruistic, correct?

Or if we have: something is A merely because B that means B is sufficient for A (B -> A)? I think I had trouble first interpreting this because I took merely to mean only and then translated as something is A only if B (and thus A ->B), but this is the wrong way to look at it.

[batlaw]

the thought of withdrawing and waiting until June just crossed my mind... bad or good?

Why are you considering that?

Ah, I'm having shades of similar thoughts. Mainly, I feel like I am still improving and that if I studied more I could definitely do better. However, I feel like there is a pretty good chance that sitting in December will get me a "good enough" score. February, would just be silly on all accounts? I wish we had more than 3 takes available (this will be my second). I mostly just wish that I had realized that the LSAT was something one should study for before August!

got in a huge fight with my parents, basically they don't think law school is a good idea and that I won't score any higher this time. fucked up my confidence and just having second thoughts about the whole thing (not lawl school taking it in December).

Sorry about that! Well, from my POV you have put in a lot of time and seem pretty prepared for December. Maybe take another PT soon and it will boost your confidence again?

[SunDevil14]

the thought of withdrawing and waiting until June just crossed my mind... bad or good?

Why are you considering that?

Ah, I'm having shades of similar thoughts. Mainly, I feel like I am still improving and that if I studied more I could definitely do better. However, I feel like there is a pretty good chance that sitting in December will get me a "good enough" score. February, would just be silly on all accounts? I wish we had more than 3 takes available (this will be my second). I mostly just wish that I had realized that the LSAT was something one should study for before August!

got in a huge fight with my parents, basically they don't think law school is a good idea and that I won't score any higher this time. fucked up my confidence and just having second thoughts about the whole thing (not lawl school taking it in December).

Go into the test center with a chip on you shoulder, and prove them wrong. Back when I was scoring in the high 160's right before the September Exam my father basically said I would not score higher, I had reached my potentional, and any other bullshit reason he could so I would not wait until December. He complains to everyone that will listen about how I turned down scholarships after my first attempt to mid tier schools.

Anytime I score 170+ on a PT, I make sure he is the first to know...

[batlaw]

Can someone please explain to me LR Flaw question 57.2.15 why C is wrong and A is correct? I got this right the first time through, but on second closer evaluation decided A was wrong because I felt like "benefits of research" addressed Carla's remarks and that perhaps the flaw was actually in who should be funding this. Carla doesn't say who should fund it, just that they should get paid leave. So I took the flaw then to be David assuming she meant that they should "devote" their limited resources to supporting this. C fits this. I initially eliminated C because "tax money" seemed out of scope but given it is public university this actually does make sense to me. I've looked this question up on different boards and have seen people have the same issue I had with A, but haven't seen C properly addressed. Thanks!

[Mikey]

got in a huge fight with my parents, basically they don't think law school is a good idea and that I won't score any higher this time. fucked up my confidence and just having second thoughts about the whole thing (not lawl school taking it in December).

if you think this will distract you on test day, and you will end up having doubts, it will def. mess with you. in june i was going through something and i always felt like that was part of why i couldn't focus at all during the test, apart from being nervous.

just take the next few days to think about it. it's something you want to do, but if you're not in the right set of mind then shit won't go well because confidence and focus is basically what makes or breaks your performance on this bullshit ass test. it'll all work out either way, man!

[dontsaywhatyoumean]

got in a huge fight with my parents, basically they don't think law school is a good idea and that I won't score any higher this time. fucked up my confidence and just having second thoughts about the whole thing (not lawl school taking it in December).

Your parents don't know what they're talking about (in regards to your performance on the upcoming test).

Seriously. I stopped revering my dad's opinions a long time ago, and he's reasonably intelligent.

My dad didn't want me to change to an arts degree because he questioned if I'd get the grades I needed. I did, and paid no mind to his opinion.

You likely know best. Even if not, how could they possibly know, really?

Edit #4, sorry, just trying to get the quotes to work, I manually inputted it.

[theboringest]

"which of the following is most strongly supported" are really fucking frustrating sometimes.

If you're strong with MBT, just treat them as MBT. They are basically must be true.*

*must be true barring significant outliers

the outliers are what's pissing me off haha

[Instrumental]

got in a huge fight with my parents, basically they don't think law school is a good idea and that I won't score any higher this time. fucked up my confidence and just having second thoughts about the whole thing (not lawl school taking it in December).

Damn man, that's crummy. Your parents frankly don't know what they're talking about considering the circumstances of your September score and how well you are doing on PTs at this point. If law school is something you truly want to do and if there aren't any alternatives that you are floating then you should take the test next week. I don't see the point in delaying with how well you're doing at this point.


On another note, took PT49 this morning. Thought I did mediocre and still turned out well.

AR: -1 (was a misbubble too, damn!)
LR1: -4
RC: -1 (cheah!)
LR2: -1

Score: 93/173

[dj9i27]

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[addie1412]

Just wanted to pop in and say good luck to all the September retakers! I was pretty active in the September thread (diff username now that I've applied to schools), and all of you made the process so much more bearable. Wishing you all 170+s

[Alexandros]

got in a huge fight with my parents, basically they don't think law school is a good idea and that I won't score any higher this time. fucked up my confidence and just having second thoughts about the whole thing (not lawl school taking it in December).

Sorry to crash the December group - but to echo what everyone else said - Try not to let that get to your head. If your parents are anything like mine, they know shit-all about what they're talking about. (I think my mom said if I can't beat 175 after three months of studying it was a sign I wasn't suited for law school.)
Obviously, if you think that's going to affect your performance, delaying might not be a bad idea. But the notion that you won't be able to score any higher is frankly fucking ridiculous. You're going to kill it.

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my mom said if I can't beat 175 after three months of studying it was a sign I wasn't suited for law school.

[Greenteachurro]

Thanks for the hints everyone, I think I'm going to sleep on it and if I still feel iffy I might push to Feb. No better fucking time to get this shit 7 days out right?

Deep down you know exactly where you're at. Take a second and think about where you know you're at and then go from there. Only you know whats most likely to happen test day.

[StopLawying]

Guys I'm not the healthiest eater out there. Should I be making any dietary changes this week so that I'm in better shape physically and mentally for test day, or am I overthinking this?

[Shakawkaw]

Guys I'm not the healthiest eater out there. Should I be making any dietary changes this week so that I'm in better shape physically and mentally for test day, or am I overthinking this?

Don't change your routine so close to game day now. Starting to eat more kale won't significantly affect your score.

[34iplaw]

Guys I'm not the healthiest eater out there. Should I be making any dietary changes this week so that I'm in better shape physically and mentally for test day, or am I overthinking this?

Nah... stick to what keeps you running in your comfort zone IMO. There's no reason to drastically change your diet from what you've been eating while you PT imo.

Just finished PT 46... I will say that game 4 is super good for learning about answer choices that can be eliminated b/c they are logically equivalent.

For the questions,

[+] Spoiler

#18 has two pairs of logically equivalent answers
#19 has a pair of logically equivalent answers
#20 has a pair of logically equivalent answers
#21 has a pair of logically equivalent answers
#22 has a pair of logically equivalent answers.

PT 48

RC -0 (SWOOOOOOSH)
LR1 -1 (I got one on a question I was pretty unsure about [#21], so I'll review it but I'm counting it)
LR2 -1 [#15]
LG -0 (SWOOSH)

Raw Score: 97/99
Converted: 179

So close, but still beat my best of 177.

Some LR questions seemed vaguely familiar possibly from Testmasters homework and I had seen the LG before, but -0 isn't atypical for LG for me. Either way, SUCK IT RC.

[SunDevil14]

Guys I'm not the healthiest eater out there. Should I be making any dietary changes this week so that I'm in better shape physically and mentally for test day, or am I overthinking this?

Nah... stick to what keeps you running in your comfort zone IMO. There's no reason to drastically change your diet from what you've been eating while you PT imo.

Just finished PT 46... I will say that game 4 is super good for learning about answer choices that can be eliminated b/c they are logically equivalent.

For the questions,

[+] Spoiler

#18 has two pairs of logically equivalent answers
#19 has a pair of logically equivalent answers
#20 has a pair of logically equivalent answers
#21 has a pair of logically equivalent answers
#22 has a pair of logically equivalent answers.

PT 48

RC -0 (SWOOOOOOSH)
LR1 -1 (I got one on a question I was pretty unsure about [#21], so I'll review it but I'm counting it)
LR2 -1 [#15]
LG -0 (SWOOSH)

Raw Score: 97/99
Converted: 179

So close, but still beat my best of 177.

Some LR questions seemed vaguely familiar possibly from Testmasters homework and I had seen the LG before, but -0 isn't atypical for LG for me. Either way, SUCK IT RC.

You're ready bro

[SunDevil14]

PT 77: 169

RC: -2
LR: -1
LG: -5
LR: -5

Phuck it! I actually feel pretty well about my performance, though its not a 170+. Game 3 on the LG games section was pretty damn strange, I had no good idea how to diagram the game so I did the entirety of the game in my head perfectly with no mistakes. The funny/sad part is that I messed up on making my diagram (and therefore messed up on the questions) for the fourth game which was actually an easy game that I usually dominate.

I am staying confident. I believe the chances of resorting to doing an entire difficult game in my head are slim, and even slimmer are chances of doing the entire game in my head and making a dumb error when drawing out the diagram for a preceding game.

I will admit, screwing up on the games, where I usually do best, threw my rhythm and Mojo off for the final LR section. I threw an additional LG section for the final section and went -0 while completing it in less than 30 minutes.

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34ip is ballin out of control. Kill it man.

[34iplaw]

Can someone please explain to me LR Flaw question 57.2.15 why C is wrong and A is correct? I got this right the first time through, but on second closer evaluation decided A was wrong because I felt like "benefits of research" addressed Carla's remarks and that perhaps the flaw was actually in who should be funding this. Carla doesn't say who should fund it, just that they should get paid leave. So I took the flaw then to be David assuming she meant that they should "devote" their limited resources to supporting this. C fits this. I initially eliminated C because "tax money" seemed out of scope but given it is public university this actually does make sense to me. I've looked this question up on different boards and have seen people have the same issue I had with A, but haven't seen C properly addressed. Thanks!

IMO, A makes sense... it's a little odd, but it seems that David, while he recognizes that the benefits may be true, forgets that those benefits quite directly answer his question. This sort of falls into the area of where the responder just complete ignores the argument presented to them.

IMO, C is wrong, because tax money just really isn't supported. TBH, I just thought it was university officials discussing the matter so that may have colored my perception.

B&D are pretty similar. E is wrong b/c we aren't discussing vacation.

[34iplaw]

34ip is ballin out of control. Kill it man.

Thanks dude.

[dontsaywhatyoumean]

I'm feeling way better than I was a couple of days ago on LR. I'm doing better than I ever have actually (being more consistent).

It's stupid, but I needed to start treating it more like RC. Now I make sure that I understand the argument before looking at the question, and I try to prephrase after I read the question. Often the correct answer just pops out.

Before I'd do well on LR (-2 to -3 per section), but when I took the LSAT the first time, I don't think I did as well (nondisclosed) because the stress of test day interfered with my kind of intuitive method. This more mechanical method I'm using now I find lets me do much better on the final few questions when time is running out as well.



Questions:

I have a couple of questions though. Do you guys force a prephrase, for example, if it's not immediately or almost immediately apparent, do you spend a bit of extra time thinking of one?

I'm not sure how helpful the prephrase is. It *feels* helpful though.

Also, do you kind of go more based on intuition for the early questions because they're maybe easier?