The Official June 2016 Study Group Forum

[appind]

So... PT 67 had its way with me as well. Tough RC plus a tough curve. Ugh. 68 on Monday.

RC -5
LR -2
LG -1

172

!Kung! Just did that one too. The RC was tougher than most i felt.

Dude 4 of my 5 errors were on that passage.

!kung is a v hard passage and along with zones lg makes 67 a p hard pt

i don't get why the curve on 67 doesn't reflect these tough sections at all.

Agreed, 67 was hard. People say that all tests are of equal difficulty b/c the curve properly reflects the difficulty, but I disagree. Ther are some tests that are inherently more difficult and these still have tight curves. 67 is just one example.

also the curve in 67 is hard even at the very top and not just in low 170s.

-2 will get you 179, not 180, so i am sure 67 gave heartache to many who would have otherwise 180'd

[TAD]

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[appind]

PT 71 - 171

LR - 1
LG - 1
RC - 7
LR - 3 (got distracted so guessed on last 2, and forgot to bubble #19)

finally. Only hit 170+ about 7 times. Been stuck at 166-169 since pt 62

congrats!

[Mikey]

Gotta improve on RC so here's my plan--> After my last final I'm literally going to go in my room, stay in there for days and don't come out, drill RC until my eyes bleed, 180 on June 6th.

Sounds like a plan.

[ayylmao]

By far my BIGGEST issue with LR isn't so much my accuracy, it's more of my timing. I've noticed a trend in which within the given 35 minutes I can usually only complete about 22 questions, leaving 3-4 to be left to guessing. Sometimes I do go over the time just to finish up the questions and try to understand them in a fast manner, but this is my issue and I can't seem to shake it off. If I go over time btw, I usually only go about 5 mins more. I try my best to complete the first 8ish questions as fast as I can but sometimes slip up with my accuracy and get at least 1 of them wrong due to this mentality that the 1-8/10 should be the fastest to do. Any advice?

make it your goal to finish the first 10 in 10 minutes. after you can do that, do 15 in 15 minutes. once I did that, I finished LR sections with 1-2 minutes left and -1-3 across both sections. the important thing here is that the first 10 are by far the easiest questions in the section, so you can get away with just circling the correct answer once you see it, rather than eliminating every wrong answer even after you are confident you know the right one.

Great advice, but I want to add one thing. Don't assume the first 10 are easy. Often there are at least a couple of harder ones in there, and in at least a few instances most of them were difficult. While I totally agree with the 10 in 10, don't think that because you're at question 10 after 14 minutes means you are way behind pace...my two cents...time for PT

the recent LR has some a couple tough questions early on between q1-8 in the section that can really throw out the 10in10/15in15 rule out the window.

i for one am usually at 12-13 min after 10 q and 18-20 mins after 15q. somehow q16-20 go a lot faster for me than q10-15.

I think you're right about that. I've noticed that a couple questions in the teens are absolutely cake, while a couple in the single digits are tricky. I try to stay at a 1 minute per question pace for as long as possible but sometimes I'll have to adjust to what they're giving me.

[ayylmao]

Gotta improve on RC so here's my plan--> After my last final I'm literally going to go in my room, stay in there for days and don't come out, drill RC until my eyes bleed, 180 on June 6th.

Sounds like a plan.

I think RC is something you need to have a "feel" for. LR and especially LG are much more mechanical, but RC requires an appreciation of subtlety (and an excellent short-term memory). I bet if you immerse yourself in it you'll start to see what they're doing.

I think it'd be most helpful for you to drill newer RC because it got appreciably harder after the mid-50s. Just my opinion based on my own scores. Plus newer=most relevant.

[ayylmao]

What's your policy on scoring questions on which you guessed? If I don't know the answer to a question I leave it blank (which of course i won't do on test day), and mark it incorrect. I think this reflects the fact that I'd probably have gotten the question wrong if I had guessed and allows me to more accurately gauge my true ability.

[Mikey]

Gotta improve on RC so here's my plan--> After my last final I'm literally going to go in my room, stay in there for days and don't come out, drill RC until my eyes bleed, 180 on June 6th.

Sounds like a plan.

I think RC is something you need to have a "feel" for. LR and especially LG are much more mechanical, but RC requires an appreciation of subtlety (and an excellent short-term memory). I bet if you immerse yourself in it you'll start to see what they're doing.

I think it'd be most helpful for you to drill newer RC because it got appreciably harder after the mid-50s. Just my opinion based on my own scores. Plus newer=most relevant.

Yeah, I trust your advice. My only concern is that I'll be using up RC sections from the newer PTs when I should be using them for a full PT, no?. I'm pretty good at comparative reading, but the regular passages is what gets me which is why I was thinking of going back into maybe the 40's and drilling regular passages. But I guess so close to game day, that might not be the best thing to do huh?

[Hennessy]

(why I gotta make these dumb mistakes bruh)

i actually repeat this to myself on a daily basis

[ayylmao]

Gotta improve on RC so here's my plan--> After my last final I'm literally going to go in my room, stay in there for days and don't come out, drill RC until my eyes bleed, 180 on June 6th.

Sounds like a plan.

I think RC is something you need to have a "feel" for. LR and especially LG are much more mechanical, but RC requires an appreciation of subtlety (and an excellent short-term memory). I bet if you immerse yourself in it you'll start to see what they're doing.

I think it'd be most helpful for you to drill newer RC because it got appreciably harder after the mid-50s. Just my opinion based on my own scores. Plus newer=most relevant.

Yeah, I trust your advice. My only concern is that I'll be using up RC sections from the newer PTs when I should be using them for a full PT, no?. I'm pretty good at comparative reading, but the regular passages is what gets me which is why I was thinking of going back into maybe the 40's and drilling regular passages. But I guess so close to game day, that might not be the best thing to do huh?

What's the most recent PT you've taken? I don't think you'll get more than 7 or maybe 8 in before game day, so if you're only up to, say, the early 60s you can drill some sections from the mid 60s and save the late 60s and 70s for fresh takes. Drilling from the 40s is still a good thing to do and won't hurt, but, while I can't put my finger on how, I do think that RC has gotten a bit more challenging on modern tests. So those will give you maximum returns.

[ayylmao]

What do you guys munch on for breakfast? I'm in a routine now where every day I'll have the same thing: two scrambled eggs, a handful of almonds, a bowl of instant oatmeal, a banana, and, of course, water. Seems like a good mix of short-term and long-term energy that sits well in my stomach. Hopefully when I go through my breakfast routine on test day my body is fooled into thinking that nothing unusual is going on.

[proteinshake]

What do you guys munch on for breakfast? I'm in a routine now where every day I'll have the same thing: two scrambled eggs, a handful of almonds, a bowl of instant oatmeal, a banana, and, of course, water. Seems like a good mix of short-term and long-term energy that sits well in my stomach. Hopefully when I go through my breakfast routine on test day my body is fooled into thinking that nothing unusual is going on.

I usually have one of two things:

nature valley almond butter bar and smoothie: kale, spinach, frozen blueberries, a pack of oatmeal, banana, protein powder

or

two eggs, hashbrown patty, bagel (whole wheat), nature valley almond butter bar, water

[forum_user]

PSA
PT 22 sec 3 is one of the most fun logic games sections I've ever done. It's pretty old so it feels really different from new games, but considering new games are getting more unpredictable, they might be more relevant than you'd expect. Not super difficult all told, but it can seem intimidating at first considering how weird most of the games seem. Good test of your LG fundamentals and ability to roll with the punches. Highly recommended.

[Mikey]

Gotta improve on RC so here's my plan--> After my last final I'm literally going to go in my room, stay in there for days and don't come out, drill RC until my eyes bleed, 180 on June 6th.

Sounds like a plan.

I think RC is something you need to have a "feel" for. LR and especially LG are much more mechanical, but RC requires an appreciation of subtlety (and an excellent short-term memory). I bet if you immerse yourself in it you'll start to see what they're doing.

I think it'd be most helpful for you to drill newer RC because it got appreciably harder after the mid-50s. Just my opinion based on my own scores. Plus newer=most relevant.

Yeah, I trust your advice. My only concern is that I'll be using up RC sections from the newer PTs when I should be using them for a full PT, no?. I'm pretty good at comparative reading, but the regular passages is what gets me which is why I was thinking of going back into maybe the 40's and drilling regular passages. But I guess so close to game day, that might not be the best thing to do huh?

What's the most recent PT you've taken? I don't think you'll get more than 7 or maybe 8 in before game day, so if you're only up to, say, the early 60s you can drill some sections from the mid 60s and save the late 60s and 70s for fresh takes. Drilling from the 40s is still a good thing to do and won't hurt, but, while I can't put my finger on how, I do think that RC has gotten a bit more challenging on modern tests. So those will give you maximum returns.

Yeah I'm up to PT 64 I believe. I feel like I'm behind compared to you guys haha. I'll take your advice and drill I guess PT 64,65, and 66 RC? Does this sound good? I think I will also go back to like 60,61,62 and 63 RC sections since I did ehh on them and want to redo them as well. I don't think I'll really remember RC stuff that I've done before, usually I always remember LR stuff if I redo a question but not RC.

[dodint]

nature valley almond butter bar

This guy gets it.

[R. Jeeves]

174 on PT 77 - under proper test conditions.

-2 RC
-2 LG
-3 LR

Pretty happy with my RC performance. Also happy with my LG performance considering the wtf nature of game 3. But damn, going more than -1 LR only happens to me in PT 70 and up.

Problem is, I'm out of PTs. I was killing pretty much everything below PT 70 (usually 177+). Now it looks like Im just about getting some upward momentum on this new LSAT style, but I have nothing left to practice on besides a few PTs from 28 and below.

What should my approach be now? I want bring my LR scores back down to -1 and do LGs faster so that I leave more time for a unique game - at this point I am 100% convinced that a unique game will show up on the June LSAT.

Also my first couple scores in the 70s were total crap since I didnt adjust well to them. Also PT 77 is the only PT ive taken under proper conditions among 70 and up, so I dont have a very reliable gauge on my performance right now. Goddamn you LSAT. Just when I thought I had you down.

I'm by no means as high of a scorer as you (average of 166), so take my advice with a grain of salt but it's just an idea lol. Maybe you can try using PT's 1-28 for drilling purposes? I assume you haven't done those PT's LG sections, so maybe you can use those to drill the section and get faster? RC, as you know doesn't have comparative reading but I feel like older RC sections are still useful for the regular passages.

Also, maybe you could try going back to the 60's and redoing those? Since you're out of fresh PT's I think your best bet would be to go back and just redo PT's.

Yeah I think that's what I'll do. Hopefully I don't remember too much.

[proteinshake]

nature valley almond butter bar

This guy gets it.

those things are ADDICTIVE

[ayylmao]

Gotta improve on RC so here's my plan--> After my last final I'm literally going to go in my room, stay in there for days and don't come out, drill RC until my eyes bleed, 180 on June 6th.

Sounds like a plan.

I think RC is something you need to have a "feel" for. LR and especially LG are much more mechanical, but RC requires an appreciation of subtlety (and an excellent short-term memory). I bet if you immerse yourself in it you'll start to see what they're doing.

I think it'd be most helpful for you to drill newer RC because it got appreciably harder after the mid-50s. Just my opinion based on my own scores. Plus newer=most relevant.

Yeah, I trust your advice. My only concern is that I'll be using up RC sections from the newer PTs when I should be using them for a full PT, no?. I'm pretty good at comparative reading, but the regular passages is what gets me which is why I was thinking of going back into maybe the 40's and drilling regular passages. But I guess so close to game day, that might not be the best thing to do huh?

What's the most recent PT you've taken? I don't think you'll get more than 7 or maybe 8 in before game day, so if you're only up to, say, the early 60s you can drill some sections from the mid 60s and save the late 60s and 70s for fresh takes. Drilling from the 40s is still a good thing to do and won't hurt, but, while I can't put my finger on how, I do think that RC has gotten a bit more challenging on modern tests. So those will give you maximum returns.

Yeah I'm up to PT 64 I believe. I feel like I'm behind compared to you guys haha. I'll take your advice and drill I guess PT 64,65, and 66 RC? Does this sound good? I think I will also go back to like 60,61,62 and 63 RC sections since I did ehh on them and want to redo them as well. I don't think I'll really remember RC stuff that I've done before, usually I always remember LR stuff if I redo a question but not RC.

Yeah that sounds like a good plan. Even at a clip of 3 PTs/week you're only gonna make it through 8 or so before test day, so you can even move up to 67 and 68 if you have time.

[Hennessy]

You guys are disgusting. Breakfast for me is a yogurt and a Newport, which is exactly what I'll be having come test-day.

How do you cram that much into your body before noon?

[proteinshake]

You guys are disgusting. Breakfast for me is a yogurt and a Newport, which is exactly what I'll be having come test-day.

How do you cram that much into your body before noon?

exercising makes you very hungry all the time. how do you stay full off of a yogurt?? that seems crazier to me.

[somethingElse]

You guys are disgusting. Breakfast for me is a yogurt and a Newport, which is exactly what I'll be having come test-day.

How do you cram that much into your body before noon?

Better not be a fucking menthol.

[Hennessy]

You guys are disgusting. Breakfast for me is a yogurt and a Newport, which is exactly what I'll be having come test-day.

How do you cram that much into your body before noon?

Better not be a fucking menthol.

[somethingElse]

You guys are disgusting. Breakfast for me is a yogurt and a Newport, which is exactly what I'll be having come test-day.

How do you cram that much into your body before noon?

Better not be a fucking menthol.

Red box bro.

[Hennessy]

You guys are disgusting. Breakfast for me is a yogurt and a Newport, which is exactly what I'll be having come test-day.

How do you cram that much into your body before noon?

Better not be a fucking menthol.

Red box bro.

pfft northerners

[somethingElse]

You guys are disgusting. Breakfast for me is a yogurt and a Newport, which is exactly what I'll be having come test-day.

How do you cram that much into your body before noon?

Better not be a fucking menthol.

Red box bro.

pfft northerners

I'm not a northerner bro.