The Official June 2016 Study Group Forum

[Mikey]

Hey Juners!! Hope your weekend PTing is going well.

PT 71: fittingly, I got a 171! My best yet. I'm psyched.

LR: -1
LG: -3
LR: -2
RC: -7 (YIKES)

Why can't I get RC down? It's killing me.

171 nice I'm kind of in the same position as you, although my LR isn't as good as yours (-3/-4 per section). My RC is usually -9/-10 which always destroys me. LG is usually -1 though I've yet to go -0 haha.

[ayylmao]

PT 74: Oh logic games, I almost forgot how it feels to be trucked by you.

171

LR: -3
RC: -1
LG: -6

below average for me but I'm seeing some important LR and RC gains. Gonna try 3 PTs per week and see how it goes. Anyone found that that's too much? Finals are over so I have literally nothing else going on .

[proteinshake]

PT 74: Oh logic games, I almost forgot how it feels to be trucked by you.

171

LR: -3
RC: -1
LG: -6

below average for me but I'm seeing some important LR and RC gains. Gonna try 3 PTs per week and see how it goes. Anyone found that that's too much? Finals are over so I have literally nothing else going on .

is this the one that had the game with the three different schools or something like that? that one was a train wreck for me as well.

[ayylmao]

PT 74: Oh logic games, I almost forgot how it feels to be trucked by you.

171

LR: -3
RC: -1
LG: -6

below average for me but I'm seeing some important LR and RC gains. Gonna try 3 PTs per week and see how it goes. Anyone found that that's too much? Finals are over so I have literally nothing else going on .

is this the one that had the game with the three different schools or something like that? that one was a train wreck for me as well.

Nope, three different carpets though

[Mikey]

How are some people done with finals already? O.O Where are you guys at that you've been done with this semester for like 2 weeks now?

[proteinshake]

How are some people done with finals already? O.O Where are you guys at that you've been done with this semester for like 2 weeks now?

haha I finished on April 30th but I'm still at my UG for a 2.5 week class cause I needed 3 credits to finish my degree. I'm actually kind of shocked you were able to study for the LSAT during your semester.

[Mikey]

How are some people done with finals already? O.O Where are you guys at that you've been done with this semester for like 2 weeks now?

haha I finished on April 30th but I'm still at my UG for a 2.5 week class cause I needed 3 credits to finish my degree. I'm actually kind of shocked you were able to study for the LSAT during your semester.

Damn April 30th, I wish lol, my last final is I believe on the 23rd. Yeah I started studying around Christmas time and just been going at it ever since.. I only took 4 classes this semester (I'm ahead anyways) instead of 5 or 6, just because I wanted LSAT time as well. It's all about dat time management bruh haha.

[ayylmao]

How are some people done with finals already? O.O Where are you guys at that you've been done with this semester for like 2 weeks now?

We start later in the fall and end a little earlier in the spring than most other schools. Last final was the 11th.

[Mikey]

How are some people done with finals already? O.O Where are you guys at that you've been done with this semester for like 2 weeks now?

We start later in the fall and end a little earlier in the spring than most other schools. Last final was the 11th.

Ah I see. Are you done with UG? Or are you going into your senior year?

[ayylmao]

How are some people done with finals already? O.O Where are you guys at that you've been done with this semester for like 2 weeks now?

We start later in the fall and end a little earlier in the spring than most other schools. Last final was the 11th.

Ah I see. Are you done with UG? Or are you going into your senior year?

Going into senior year, but not gonna apply next year. Assuming my internship works out I'd like to work for a couple years first. You?

[Mikey]

How are some people done with finals already? O.O Where are you guys at that you've been done with this semester for like 2 weeks now?

We start later in the fall and end a little earlier in the spring than most other schools. Last final was the 11th.

Ah I see. Are you done with UG? Or are you going into your senior year?

Going into senior year, but not gonna apply next year. Assuming my internship works out I'd like to work for a couple years first. You?

Same, going into senior year. I'm applying this upcoming cycle and hope to enter Fall 2017 but if my options aren't great, then I'll be taking a gap year.

[R. Jeeves]

174 on PT 77 - under proper test conditions.

-2 RC
-2 LG
-3 LR

Pretty happy with my RC performance. Also happy with my LG performance considering the wtf nature of game 3. But damn, going more than -1 LR only happens to me in PT 70 and up.

Problem is, I'm out of PTs. I was killing pretty much everything below PT 70 (usually 177+). Now it looks like Im just about getting some upward momentum on this new LSAT style, but I have nothing left to practice on besides a few PTs from 28 and below.

What should my approach be now? I want bring my LR scores back down to -1 and do LGs faster so that I leave more time for a unique game - at this point I am 100% convinced that a unique game will show up on the June LSAT.

Also my first couple scores in the 70s were total crap since I didnt adjust well to them. Also PT 77 is the only PT ive taken under proper conditions among 70 and up, so I dont have a very reliable gauge on my performance right now. Goddamn you LSAT. Just when I thought I had you down.

[R. Jeeves]

PT 74: Oh logic games, I almost forgot how it feels to be trucked by you.

171

LR: -3
RC: -1
LG: -6

below average for me but I'm seeing some important LR and RC gains. Gonna try 3 PTs per week and see how it goes. Anyone found that that's too much? Finals are over so I have literally nothing else going on .

My trend on PT scores is pretty similar to yours. Do you still have 75, 76, and 77 available to you as fresh PTs? Because I just ran out and and idk what the game plan is gonna be. If youre gonna do 3 PTs per week, are you gonna do 75, 76, and 77 all in one week?

[Mikey]

174 on PT 77 - under proper test conditions.

-2 RC
-2 LG
-3 LR

Pretty happy with my RC performance. Also happy with my LG performance considering the wtf nature of game 3. But damn, going more than -1 LR only happens to me in PT 70 and up.

Problem is, I'm out of PTs. I was killing pretty much everything below PT 70 (usually 177+). Now it looks like Im just about getting some upward momentum on this new LSAT style, but I have nothing left to practice on besides a few PTs from 28 and below.

What should my approach be now? I want bring my LR scores back down to -1 and do LGs faster so that I leave more time for a unique game - at this point I am 100% convinced that a unique game will show up on the June LSAT.

Also my first couple scores in the 70s were total crap since I didnt adjust well to them. Also PT 77 is the only PT ive taken under proper conditions among 70 and up, so I dont have a very reliable gauge on my performance right now. Goddamn you LSAT. Just when I thought I had you down.

I'm by no means as high of a scorer as you (average of 166), so take my advice with a grain of salt but it's just an idea lol. Maybe you can try using PT's 1-28 for drilling purposes? I assume you haven't done those PT's LG sections, so maybe you can use those to drill the section and get faster? RC, as you know doesn't have comparative reading but I feel like older RC sections are still useful for the regular passages.

Also, maybe you could try going back to the 60's and redoing those? Since you're out of fresh PT's I think your best bet would be to go back and just redo PT's.

[ayylmao]

PT 74: Oh logic games, I almost forgot how it feels to be trucked by you.

171

LR: -3
RC: -1
LG: -6

below average for me but I'm seeing some important LR and RC gains. Gonna try 3 PTs per week and see how it goes. Anyone found that that's too much? Finals are over so I have literally nothing else going on .

My trend on PT scores is pretty similar to yours. Do you still have 75, 76, and 77 available to you as fresh PTs? Because I just ran out and and idk what the game plan is gonna be. If youre gonna do 3 PTs per week, are you gonna do 75, 76, and 77 all in one week?

My trend is actually a little downward haha. Was consistently pulling 176-77 in the 50s, then dipped to 172 in the early 60s and 70s. I still have 75, 76, 77, and 63-69. I think I'm gonna take 77 next, so I can drill game 3 afterward, then dip into the 60s, and finish with 75 and 76. I jumped into the 70s because I wanted to give myself time to acclimate to the harder LR and RC (it exists, people). Hoping I can climb back into my old territory by test day.

[R. Jeeves]

My trend is actually a little downward haha. Was consistently pulling 176-77 in the 50s, then dipped to 172 in the early 60s and 70s.

Yeah this p much describes me, altough my dip occured around the very late 60s. I just came off pulling a 174 on PT 77 so i just MIGHT be getting the magic back, but its hard to be confident.

I still have 75, 76, 77, and 63-69. I think I'm gonna take 77 next, so I can drill game 3 afterward, then dip into the 60s, and finish with 75 and 76. I jumped into the 70s because I wanted to give myself time to acclimate to the harder LR and RC (it exists, people). Hoping I can climb back into my old territory by test day.

Oh it definitely DEFINITELY exists. A fair warning to anyone that hasnt gotten around to it yet (not to scare anyone though - it wont ruin you, but it will take some adjusting to).

[carasrook]

My trend is actually a little downward haha. Was consistently pulling 176-77 in the 50s, then dipped to 172 in the early 60s and 70s.

Yeah this p much describes me, altough my dip occured around the very late 60s. I just came off pulling a 174 on PT 77 so i just MIGHT be getting the magic back, but its hard to be confident.

I still have 75, 76, 77, and 63-69. I think I'm gonna take 77 next, so I can drill game 3 afterward, then dip into the 60s, and finish with 75 and 76. I jumped into the 70s because I wanted to give myself time to acclimate to the harder LR and RC (it exists, people). Hoping I can climb back into my old territory by test day.

Oh it definitely DEFINITELY exists. A fair warning to anyone that hasnt gotten around to it yet (not to scare anyone though - it wont ruin you, but it will take some adjusting to).

So real. I love scoring my test on 7sage and then seeing that they pretty consistently rate all RC passages in the 70s as 5/5 difficulty lol

[ayylmao]

My trend is actually a little downward haha. Was consistently pulling 176-77 in the 50s, then dipped to 172 in the early 60s and 70s.

Yeah this p much describes me, altough my dip occured around the very late 60s. I just came off pulling a 174 on PT 77 so i just MIGHT be getting the magic back, but its hard to be confident.

I still have 75, 76, 77, and 63-69. I think I'm gonna take 77 next, so I can drill game 3 afterward, then dip into the 60s, and finish with 75 and 76. I jumped into the 70s because I wanted to give myself time to acclimate to the harder LR and RC (it exists, people). Hoping I can climb back into my old territory by test day.

Oh it definitely DEFINITELY exists. A fair warning to anyone that hasnt gotten around to it yet (not to scare anyone though - it wont ruin you, but it will take some adjusting to).

So real. I love scoring my test on 7sage and then seeing that they pretty consistently rate all RC passages in the 70s as 5/5 difficulty lol

Yeah, looking at their ratings for PT 74, they gave 2 passages 5/5 difficulty and the easiest was 3/5. That's ok for me since RC has always been my greatest strength, but I've still tanked a couple sections. LR is very sneakily difficult now; when I took PT 70 I finished each LR section with at least 5 minutes left, maybe more, and thought I killed it. In reality, I got railed. It's so subtly different that an experienced prepper like me got thrown. I suggest you all take a few early 70s tests to see if this happens to you and adjust if necessary; I'd be freaking out if I was discovering these weaknesses now.

Luckily LG has gotten a bit easier, notwithstanding the occasional pattern game. I was straight up ass on games for months but I think they're a little more forgiving now than they were in the 1990s.

[nerdylsat]

PT 59

LR1 - 5
LG -4 (took the first 2 sections at 11 pm)
LR2 -3 (took the last 2 sections at noon the next day)
RC -3

Got a 169/BR 174

LG really wrecked me, didn't really have time to finish because I didn't split G4. Also, I PTed way too late at night and my brain was apparently not working, so I basically wasted this PT, plus I didn't put in an exp section.

Only thing I'm happy with is my RC score, now I'm gonna drill all LG sections I've done in the 60s and 70s to see if I can finally get better.

[Hennessy]

PT 69:

LR -4. jackhammer on my street starts at about question 17. sunday afternoon.
LG -4
RC jackhammer and ice cream truck on my street both start at the same time, got fed up, couldn't focus, got drunk.

mad that i wasted a more recent PT.

[StopLawying]

PT 69:

LR -4. jackhammer on my street starts at about question 17. sunday afternoon.
LG -4
RC jackhammer and ice cream truck on my street both start at the same time, got fed up, couldn't focus, got drunk.

mad that i wasted a more recent PT.

Omg, lol. Better though than a guy sniffling throughout the entire test. That's what happened to me last week at one of my proctored LSATs. So damn annoying, RC was my first section and I bombed it. Couldn't recover rest of the test. I can deal with any type of outside noise, but sniffling drives me insane. If a similar thing happens on test day I'm screwed.

[appind]

holy crap, this thread has moved only like 10 pages in the last month!







i haven't cracked open a single lsat question in the last 3 weeks or so due to a major distraction at work. i was all set on my way prepping for june like a month ago, but this hiatus was bad. feeling a little panic that i couldn't study at all during the prime study period.

[TAD]

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[Dcc617]

I need help. Long time lurker, first time user.

Diagnostic was 145, broke 170 numerous times, with 174 being highest on pt 61. But I cant crack 166 avg lately, with reading comp and games destroying me. Any advice?

did pt 71 and got a 169

did pt 66 just now and got a 167

RC -8
LR -2
LG -5
LR -0

I know that my diagnostic was pretty low to begin with, making it seem as if i'm at my peak, but for some reason I feel as though that's not the case lol

Have you tried taking a break? Like, not looking at LSAT stuff for a few days? You may just be burnt out.

[appind]

Well, anytime a correct answer is "E", then the test taker will have read each and every answer choice, and then anytime a correct answer choice is "D" the test taker will have read most of the answer choices and so on. What happens when one gets very very skilled in LR (and as an LSAT taker in general) is almost a "zen" kind of experience on the LR portion of the exam, where he/she could basically do the test with one eye open and both hands tied behind their back. I think most questions (but not all) can be answered before you even look at the answer choices. I answer about 40% of the questions without reading all the answer choices. I would gander that gurus such as Robin Singh answer 70-80% of the questions once he sees the right answer.

The point I'm trying to make is that the test is VERY predictable, and an experienced high scorer is already aware of all of the pitfall questions and knows what the true answer looks like just about 100% of the time. Not only do I know the correct answer before I see it in these cases, I can also predict some of the trick answer choices before I see them too.

And I can't stress this next part enough; I believe it is the single best piece of advice I can give on the LR portion of the LSAT:

When you're doing untimed LR practice, my suggestion is do every question type for more practice. For example, when you see a "strengthen" question, after you answer it correctly, try and weaken it, try and think of assumptions that it depends on, point out inferences, state the flaw, determine if it depends on a principal, determine the role of each major statement in the argument, and so on. Turn one LR question into 8 questions, and your mind will sharpen to what needs to be done on test day, but in speed and accuracy.

You know, I've never actually thought about doing that with LR, it seems like a really good approach.

yes, that's really useful stuff and i have tried to do that with most of the lsat questions during drills.

lawpro, i see that someone very skilled will be able to pre-phrase correctly the answer for about 40% or more questions so that the credited answer choice matches their prephrase. my previous query was actually in regards with whether for LR questions you try to simply look for the "best" answer (in which case, most of the times, you will have to go through almost all answer choices as to figure out the "best" means you may have to compare choices to find which one is better for the task that the q-step is asking, unless you see the absolutely perfect pre-phrased choice)? Or, you don't look for the best choice but always look for the choice that according your standards is correct for the task in q stem; that is to say, for a strengthen question, no matter how subtle or difficult it may be, you'd look for a choice that strengthens the argument even a tiny tiny bit and as soon as you see such a choice, you pick it and move on (as there would be no other choice for the strengthen q that would strengthen the argument to any degree)?