The Official June 2017 Study Group Forum

[dj9i27]

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[blackmamba8]

I'm a winter lover so the colder climate T14's get a boost for me. One of my friends from undergrad goes to dental school in a big city and he said it sucks compared to going to school in a college town. I think law school in a big city would just add to the stress for me.

Probably, college towns are nice and insulated with young people but I think Philly, NYC, Chicago, etc. while might add stress pad the landing for a potential job there.

That's my biggest worry about going umich. It's my dream school but the things I've read about employment/recruiting worry me. Philly looks like it would be a pretty cool place to go to school from what I've read though.

umich is rightly placed, better than gtown and Cornell imo but worse than a few others. get a good lsat and silver tongue yourself into a decent scholly and you'll be good man!

Haha that's the goal, same to you man!

[PrezRand]

Yeah, Houston, Dallas, and Austin are all comparable to Ann Arbor I believe unless I am mistaken. You could find a solid apartment in the upper-middle class-1% area of Houston in the downtown-midtown region for less than 1000 a month. Charlottesville, Durham, and Austin are all comparable in terms of COL.

Yeah, UT's numbers aren't that good but at least the cost is incredibly low compared to every t14 school. Even if you don't get biglaw, you won't end up in small law. There's a bunch of mid-law firms in TX that pay 6 figures (130k+)

Well goddamn. Aside from the biglaw thing, I know UT is insular which is another slight problem on my end; sometime in my law career I would like to migrate back to my homestate of FL. UT is still a very attractive choice, it is cheap, I have a fair amount of friends in Austin and who are migrating there after UG but, apart of me wants to live in a NYC or Philly or any large east coast city TEMPORARILY. Just to say down the line, yeah that is what the big city is like.

I have a good feeling about me and next cycle, I think umich and uva should come at me with some decent coin idk about duke it is a dark horse rn

I like your confidence. Wish I had the same

90% of the battle in my mind is selling yourself and timing. It reminds me of any job application, you have a cover letter (your PS), LOR (references), and experience (GPA/LSAT) if you have all bases covered then you should be good.

BigLaw sometimes frightens me, BernieTrumps thread has been appearing as of late but then I remember, this is not telesales nor is it shingling roofs in the summer or working in an non air conditioned warehouse. I've done all of those, hours worse than BigLaw sunrise to sunset in 96 degree heat nothing will be worse than that to me.

Can u link me to the thread you are referring to?

sure I'm on mobile so I'm sorry if it shitly transfers over

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 4&t=261392

he makes a lot of points and I find myself second guessing at time but like I said, there are harder jobs out there and I've worked a few of them. fuck, I am so happy I landed one at a local court, like I am actually looking forward to it.

Wow that was depressing. I was only planning on doing biglaw 5 years max at worse anyways.

[dj9i27]

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[PrezRand]

Wow that was depressing. I was only planning on doing biglaw 5 years max at worse anyways.

I've had this discussion before, but I don't think anyone is in love with their job at biglaw isn't a standard 9-5, you should know this before you sign up. sure I only worked shingling roofs for 4 months but I worked with people who did it for a 15 years and maybe make 25g. 25g to sit out in the sun, 730-730. biglaw is what close to 200? 200,000 dollars is a massive amount of money aND guess what? your in a office that has air conditioning!

like I said no one loves their work, but biglaw could be worse. I am not sure how many associates have had manual labor jobs like that but on paper, I'd chose biglaw 10/10 times.

Yeah part of the stress might be that many students who graduate law school really lack real life experience. Biglaw was never a long term goal for me anyways. It was always short term

[Margaret99]

Currently registered for February but debating whether I should postpone until June... It's my last take so I'm stressing

If you're not applying until next cycle then I don't see how taking in June and giving yourself more time can hurt

Yeah I definitely think it's the smart move, part of me just doesn't want to spend six more months studying for the damn thing lol. Since I'm not applying this cycle, have a light course load this spring and am taking a gap year I don't really have any excuses not to postpone and go all out for June though..

You're in a similar situation as me aren't you?

yeah lol, literally the same position as you, except I don't have a light course load next semester haha

Checking in! In a similar situation, but this will be my first attempt at the LSAT

[Margaret99]

Sorry to break the flow of the discussion but does it really hurt to give the June LSAT and apply for the next cycle? I understand that PSs and LORs take a lot of time, but any other major reason for preferring the Feb LSAT over June?

[greatspirit]

Hi, all. Checking in—for the first time!

I'm preparing to sit for the June 2017 LSAT, and I've been using the LR Bible + Matt Kim's LSAT Trainer as a review of exam question types. I then plan on delving into practice tests to pinpoint question types that I am struggling with, reviewing content in prep materials, and taking additional practice tests. Look forward to connecting with more people, and also for preparing for next fall's admissions cycle.

Welcome! Happy to hear someone mention the application cycle too. While I am gunning for 170, I've accepted that even if I fall short of that, I want to apply for the upcoming fall cycle. Getting the score I want is important, but as is finishing law school before 30!

I would recommend you also G et the LG Bible too. Everyone here swears by it, and I am finding it helpful too.

Thanks for the recommendation. I've really enjoyed the LR Bible so far, although I find that the conditional reasoning chapter moves a bit too quickly and jumps into the material without providing sufficient background—especially for beginners. I'm supplementing the conditional reasoning chapter with the chapters in Mike Kim's LSAT Trainer, which has filled in the gaps nicely.

I'm going to look into the LG Bible, the books are a bit expensive. I might buy an older version, because I bought the 2017 edition for the LR Bible. Does anyone know if the content is effectively the same?

Ah - I recently finished the conditional reasoning chapter. Another plug for the LSAT Trainer...I might just have to get it. Goodness knows I wouldn't hesitate to spend money on other, less important things.

[Mikey]

Sorry to break the flow of the discussion but does it really hurt to give the June LSAT and apply for the next cycle? I understand that PSs and LORs take a lot of time, but any other major reason for preferring the Feb LSAT over June?

If you're applying next cycle then you should most likely take June or sept, and not feb. especially if you're not prepared. There's no advantages to taking in February if you're applying next cycle

[Margaret99]

Thanks Mikey! I feel June should be a safe bet, especially since this term term I will be studying only part-time.

[O.J.]

Checking in. About to start the 16-week LSAT Trainer schedule. I know there's about 21 weeks to the June test, but figure a few extra weeks buffer is a good idea for PT's, vacations, missed days, etc. I'm also going to use the LG Bible and Blueprint's RC book. If you guys have any other suggestions, let me have it.

My last PT was 160. Hoping to get 165+ in June. I'm a URM with a 3.6 LSAC GPA (3.8 UG GPA). Looking for a full ride at a school in Los Angeles. I'm a non-trad in early 40's. Hanging a shingle with a best friend who is already experienced when I graduate, so no big law for me and a job ready upon graduation. No debt is my goal right now, not a T-14. Though, as a UCLA grad I'm hoping to stay here, but know it's a long shot.

Good luck!

[NotTheNSA]

Checking in. Question: what LSAT prep would you rec the most?

Right now, I'm about to buy 7sage.

[34iplaw]

Checking in. Question: what LSAT prep would you rec the most?

Right now, I'm about to buy 7sage.

They always offer refunds I think?

The other ones mentioned are usually Testmasters and Blueprint. They offer courses to try out as well I think? TBH, I don't know if Testmasters online would be all that remarkable. I took the in person class, and the online material seems to be sort of an afterthought...

Afterthought may not be the best word... but it's not very tech savvy or anything... recorded lectures and some typed up/audio/visual explanations... basically, I think that 7sage, and perhaps Blueprint, are likely to have much more engaging online lessons and, perhaps, better overall resources.

[NotTheNSA]

Checking in. Question: what LSAT prep would you rec the most?

Right now, I'm about to buy 7sage.

They always offer refunds I think?

The other ones mentioned are usually Testmasters and Blueprint. They offer courses to try out as well I think? TBH, I don't know if Testmasters online would be all that remarkable. I took the in person class, and the online material seems to be sort of an afterthought...

Afterthought may not be the best word... but it's not very tech savvy or anything... recorded lectures and some typed up/audio/visual explanations... basically, I think that 7sage, and perhaps Blueprint, are likely to have much more engaging online lessons and, perhaps, better overall resources.

Thanks for the tip. I'll be traveling, so online is important, and 7sage seems to be the best way to do it.

[Everythingimnot]

hey guys! checking in....created another bulletin before realizing i could have posted in this one. hoping to lock in a t14 acceptance with the june lsat...was originally very discouraged and put off by the lsat because i am not the best test taker, but i keep reading over and over that this is a learnable test so i am more optimistic than ever. will spend the next few months working through the powerscore logic games bible and whatever else i can afford. lol

[Mikey]

hey guys! checking in....created another bulletin before realizing i could have posted in this one. hoping to lock in a t14 acceptance with the june lsat...was originally very discouraged and put off by the lsat because i am not the best test taker, but i keep reading over and over that this is a learnable test so i am more optimistic than ever. will spend the next few months working through the powerscore logic games bible and whatever else i can afford. lol

Welcome. Don't be discouraged! Even if it takes you a while to get the score you want, just keep at it. It's a very learnable test, if you put the time and effort in.

[Everythingimnot]

hey guys! checking in....created another bulletin before realizing i could have posted in this one. hoping to lock in a t14 acceptance with the june lsat...was originally very discouraged and put off by the lsat because i am not the best test taker, but i keep reading over and over that this is a learnable test so i am more optimistic than ever. will spend the next few months working through the powerscore logic games bible and whatever else i can afford. lol

Welcome. Don't be discouraged! Even if it takes you a while to get the score you want, just keep at it. It's a very learnable test, if you put the time and effort in.

thank you! i am going to take a practice lsat through my university every month up until may and then practice on my own as well....hoping/praying i will be able to break 160> by june so i can apply early

[Mikey]

hey guys! checking in....created another bulletin before realizing i could have posted in this one. hoping to lock in a t14 acceptance with the june lsat...was originally very discouraged and put off by the lsat because i am not the best test taker, but i keep reading over and over that this is a learnable test so i am more optimistic than ever. will spend the next few months working through the powerscore logic games bible and whatever else i can afford. lol

Welcome. Don't be discouraged! Even if it takes you a while to get the score you want, just keep at it. It's a very learnable test, if you put the time and effort in.

thank you! i am going to take a practice lsat through my university every month up until may and then practice on my own as well....hoping/praying i will be able to break 160> by june so i can apply early

Even if you ended up taking in September/October, it will still be considered early when you get your score back! Just letting you know

[Everythingimnot]

hey guys! checking in....created another bulletin before realizing i could have posted in this one. hoping to lock in a t14 acceptance with the june lsat...was originally very discouraged and put off by the lsat because i am not the best test taker, but i keep reading over and over that this is a learnable test so i am more optimistic than ever. will spend the next few months working through the powerscore logic games bible and whatever else i can afford. lol

Welcome. Don't be discouraged! Even if it takes you a while to get the score you want, just keep at it. It's a very learnable test, if you put the time and effort in.

thank you! i am going to take a practice lsat through my university every month up until may and then practice on my own as well....hoping/praying i will be able to break 160> by june so i can apply early

Even if you ended up taking in September/October, it will still be considered early when you get your score back! Just letting you know

thanks for that heads up! i must admit that does take the pressure off a little bit, but still gonna go hard as possible on the june lsat. lol

[Mikey]

hey guys! checking in....created another bulletin before realizing i could have posted in this one. hoping to lock in a t14 acceptance with the june lsat...was originally very discouraged and put off by the lsat because i am not the best test taker, but i keep reading over and over that this is a learnable test so i am more optimistic than ever. will spend the next few months working through the powerscore logic games bible and whatever else i can afford. lol

Welcome. Don't be discouraged! Even if it takes you a while to get the score you want, just keep at it. It's a very learnable test, if you put the time and effort in.

thank you! i am going to take a practice lsat through my university every month up until may and then practice on my own as well....hoping/praying i will be able to break 160> by june so i can apply early

Even if you ended up taking in September/October, it will still be considered early when you get your score back! Just letting you know

thanks for that heads up! i must admit that does take the pressure off a little bit, but still gonna go hard as possible on the june lsat. lol

Haha, for sure. Just make sure you're fully prepared to take in June if you are going to. Trust me, I wasn't fully prepared for this past June and I totally bombed it and regret it because it was a waste of a take. Your takes are precious, just remember that, lol.

[Everythingimnot]

hey guys! checking in....created another bulletin before realizing i could have posted in this one. hoping to lock in a t14 acceptance with the june lsat...was originally very discouraged and put off by the lsat because i am not the best test taker, but i keep reading over and over that this is a learnable test so i am more optimistic than ever. will spend the next few months working through the powerscore logic games bible and whatever else i can afford. lol

Welcome. Don't be discouraged! Even if it takes you a while to get the score you want, just keep at it. It's a very learnable test, if you put the time and effort in.

thank you! i am going to take a practice lsat through my university every month up until may and then practice on my own as well....hoping/praying i will be able to break 160> by june so i can apply early

Even if you ended up taking in September/October, it will still be considered early when you get your score back! Just letting you know

thanks for that heads up! i must admit that does take the pressure off a little bit, but still gonna go hard as possible on the june lsat. lol

Haha, for sure. Just make sure you're fully prepared to take in June if you are going to. Trust me, I wasn't fully prepared for this past June and I totally bombed it and regret it because it was a waste of a take. Your takes are precious, just remember that, lol.

any tips or advice on how to better prepare? what was your score if it isnt too personal? this will be my first time in june lol

[Mikey]

any tips or advice on how to better prepare? what was your score if it isnt too personal? this will be my first time in june lol

ehh, I'd rather not say my score lol. all I will say is that I regret taking back then and I'm much better prepared now even though I can improve on some things.

Just make sure you're not half-assing your studying. If there's a question you don't get, spend the time to actually try and figure out why 4 answers are wrong, and why 1 of them is correct. Don't just brush it off and ignore it, because it will bite you in the ass. If you can, do LR questions of the same type in bulks at a time to see the patterns of each question type, this can be pretty helpful. I really like 7sage, but if you don't buy one their courses then at least use their free logic game explanations on youtube. I'm confident in saying that a ton of people on this site use their LG explanations. For RC, you just gotta see what works best for you, whether that be annotating a ton on the passage or simply reading the passage with no marks on it, it's just more of a personal preference section I feel. When doing timed sections or timed practice tests, if you don't understand a question then just skip it, because chances are you will get it wrong if you don't understand it and also waste a ton of time, so just skip it and come back to it after.

[Everythingimnot]

any tips or advice on how to better prepare? what was your score if it isnt too personal? this will be my first time in june lol

ehh, I'd rather not say my score lol. all I will say is that I regret taking back then and I'm much better prepared now even though I can improve on some things.

Just make sure you're not half-assing your studying. If there's a question you don't get, spend the time to actually try and figure out why 4 answers are wrong, and why 1 of them is correct. Don't just brush it off and ignore it, because it will bite you in the ass. If you can, do LR questions of the same type in bulks at a time to see the patterns of each question type, this can be pretty helpful. I really like 7sage, but if you don't buy one their courses then at least use their free logic game explanations on youtube. I'm confident in saying that a ton of people on this site use their LG explanations. For RC, you just gotta see what works best for you, whether that be annotating a ton on the passage or simply reading the passage with no marks on it, it's just more of a personal preference section I feel. When doing timed sections or timed practice tests, if you don't understand a question then just skip it, because chances are you will get it wrong if you don't understand it and also waste a ton of time, so just skip it and come back to it after.

fair enough. ive read that if you dont know an answer to something, to just guess and circle the number so you can go back to it if time allows. i cant afford to take a class which kinda sucks...RC seems like the easiest section to me, so im thinking of spending a lot of time learning LG and then buying an LR book in a month or two. lol

[Mikey]

any tips or advice on how to better prepare? what was your score if it isnt too personal? this will be my first time in june lol

ehh, I'd rather not say my score lol. all I will say is that I regret taking back then and I'm much better prepared now even though I can improve on some things.

Just make sure you're not half-assing your studying. If there's a question you don't get, spend the time to actually try and figure out why 4 answers are wrong, and why 1 of them is correct. Don't just brush it off and ignore it, because it will bite you in the ass. If you can, do LR questions of the same type in bulks at a time to see the patterns of each question type, this can be pretty helpful. I really like 7sage, but if you don't buy one their courses then at least use their free logic game explanations on youtube. I'm confident in saying that a ton of people on this site use their LG explanations. For RC, you just gotta see what works best for you, whether that be annotating a ton on the passage or simply reading the passage with no marks on it, it's just more of a personal preference section I feel. When doing timed sections or timed practice tests, if you don't understand a question then just skip it, because chances are you will get it wrong if you don't understand it and also waste a ton of time, so just skip it and come back to it after.

fair enough. ive read that if you dont know an answer to something, to just guess and circle the number so you can go back to it if time allows. i cant afford to take a class which kinda sucks...RC seems like the easiest section to me, so im thinking of spending a lot of time learning LG and then buying an LR book in a month or two. lol

Yeah, that's called Blind Review. You circle the number of the question and move on, then when you're done with the test or section, you go in depth with that question since you weren't confident with it when doing it timed. you can look up it "7sage blind review", it's a good way to study, and it's what you should do instead of choosing an answer choice and then looking at if you got it right or wrong without reviewing it beforehand. But I was talking about if you read a question and you have like 0 clue what is going on, to just skip it for the sake of time in that moment, lol.

[Everythingimnot]

any tips or advice on how to better prepare? what was your score if it isnt too personal? this will be my first time in june lol

ehh, I'd rather not say my score lol. all I will say is that I regret taking back then and I'm much better prepared now even though I can improve on some things.

Just make sure you're not half-assing your studying. If there's a question you don't get, spend the time to actually try and figure out why 4 answers are wrong, and why 1 of them is correct. Don't just brush it off and ignore it, because it will bite you in the ass. If you can, do LR questions of the same type in bulks at a time to see the patterns of each question type, this can be pretty helpful. I really like 7sage, but if you don't buy one their courses then at least use their free logic game explanations on youtube. I'm confident in saying that a ton of people on this site use their LG explanations. For RC, you just gotta see what works best for you, whether that be annotating a ton on the passage or simply reading the passage with no marks on it, it's just more of a personal preference section I feel. When doing timed sections or timed practice tests, if you don't understand a question then just skip it, because chances are you will get it wrong if you don't understand it and also waste a ton of time, so just skip it and come back to it after.

fair enough. ive read that if you dont know an answer to something, to just guess and circle the number so you can go back to it if time allows. i cant afford to take a class which kinda sucks...RC seems like the easiest section to me, so im thinking of spending a lot of time learning LG and then buying an LR book in a month or two. lol

Yeah, that's called Blind Review. You circle the number of the question and move on, then when you're done with the test or section, you go in depth with that question since you weren't confident with it when doing it timed. you can look up it "7sage blind review", it's a good way to study, and it's what you should do instead of choosing an answer choice and then looking at if you got it right or wrong without reviewing it beforehand. But I was talking about if you read a question and you have like 0 clue what is going on, to just skip it for the sake of time in that moment, lol.

ohhh okay i see! sorry im new to this. but yes i feel confident that we will all do well in june.