real The Official December 2016 Waiters Group - Patience is a Virtue Forum

[PAtoSC]

Hi All!

This is my first post. I recently decided to go to law school and plan on taking the LSAT in December, and also in February if I don't like my December score.

After reviewing several posts, my brain is starting to get foggy with how I should start prepping for the LSAT. I know many praise 7Sage. Can anyone recommend a set of books I should buy?

7Sage + The LSAT Trainer

I purchased every book from Powerscore Bibles to Manhattan, nothing worked as well as those two. 7Sage was my come to jesus moment for the LSAT.
I've been more active on the 7Sage forums recently so let me know if you have any questions. We are a very supportive and helpful community. Stop on by and say hi!

Hi Barack!

Would you suggest getting the 3 month trial or another version? Do you also think I have enough time to prepare for the December LSAT? I'm not looking to get into a top ten school, but would like my LSAT score around 165 (thinking about going to UGA).

[Barack O'Drama]

Hi All!

This is my first post. I recently decided to go to law school and plan on taking the LSAT in December, and also in February if I don't like my December score.

After reviewing several posts, my brain is starting to get foggy with how I should start prepping for the LSAT. I know many praise 7Sage. Can anyone recommend a set of books I should buy?

7Sage + The LSAT Trainer

I purchased every book from Powerscore Bibles to Manhattan, nothing worked as well as those two. 7Sage was my come to jesus moment for the LSAT.
I've been more active on the 7Sage forums recently so let me know if you have any questions. We are a very supportive and helpful community. Stop on by and say hi!

Hi Barack!

Would you suggest getting the 3 month trial or another version? Do you also think I have enough time to prepare for the December LSAT? I'm not looking to get into a top ten school, but would like my LSAT score around 165 (thinking about going to UGA).

Hey

I think the starter version is great to start off with. Plenty of our Sages (those who scored 170+) used only that and were fine. You can always upgrade to the Ultimate +. I have it and love it because it gives you literally everything you will need for LSAT prep (drill, question bank, explanations, lessons on everything, etc) If you can afford the Ultimate+ I say get it. But you get the same core curriculum for the $179 version. Also there is a 14 day trial, so if you don't like it, you get a refund.

Do I think you'll be ready for December with a 165 goal?

Hmmm...I'm actually big on the philosophy of not setting your goal as a date, but as a score.

I guess it all depends on where you are starting from. I think my advice changes on what you should do depending on whether your diagnostic is a 148 or a 153, you know? Breaking into the 160s can be quite tough, and a lot of people end up experiencing a plateau in their score in the low-160s before they jump into the 165+ range. Also, I think one should make sure they are comfortably scoring 3 points above their goal to account for the notorious test day drop.

Of course, everyone is different, so it is hard to say. Do you have diagnostic score?

Edit: Spelling, grammar, etc. Sorry, I have to stop trying to type responses on my iPad..it isn't working out.

[maybeman]

Hey

I think the starter version is great to start off with. Plenty of our Sages (those who scored 170+) used only that and were fine. You can always upgrade to the Ultimate +. I have it and love it because it gives you literally everything you will need for LSAT prep (drill, question bank, explanations, lessons on everything, etc) If you can afford the Ultimate+ I say get it. But you get the same core curriculum foe the $179 version. Also there is a 14 day trail, so if you don't like it, you get a refund.

Do I think you'll be ready for December with a 165 goal?

Hmmm...I'm actually big on the philosophy of not setting your goal as a date, but as a score.

I guess it all depends on where you are starting from. I think my advice changes on what you should do depending on whether your diagnostic is a 148 or a 153, you know? Breaking into the 160s can be quote tough, and a lot of people end up experiencing a plateau in their score in the low-160s before they jump into the 165+ range. Also, I think one should make sure they are comfortably scoring 3 points above their goal to account for the notorious test day drop.

Of course, everyone is different, so it is hard to say. Do you have diagnostic score?

+1 to all of this. Also, pretty sure I know exactly who O'Drama is on 7Sage lol

[Barack O'Drama]

Hey

I think the starter version is great to start off with. Plenty of our Sages (those who scored 170+) used only that and were fine. You can always upgrade to the Ultimate +. I have it and love it because it gives you literally everything you will need for LSAT prep (drill, question bank, explanations, lessons on everything, etc) If you can afford the Ultimate+ I say get it. But you get the same core curriculum foe the $179 version. Also there is a 14 day trail, so if you don't like it, you get a refund.

Do I think you'll be ready for December with a 165 goal?

Hmmm...I'm actually big on the philosophy of not setting your goal as a date, but as a score.

I guess it all depends on where you are starting from. I think my advice changes on what you should do depending on whether your diagnostic is a 148 or a 153, you know? Breaking into the 160s can be quote tough, and a lot of people end up experiencing a plateau in their score in the low-160s before they jump into the 165+ range. Also, I think one should make sure they are comfortably scoring 3 points above their goal to account for the notorious test day drop.

Of course, everyone is different, so it is hard to say. Do you have diagnostic score?

+1 to all of this. Also, pretty sure I know exactly who O'Drama is on 7Sage lol

It rhymes with Balex Bivine

[maybeman]

Hahaha called it. Your genuineness #outed you. Better switch it up

[Barack O'Drama]

Hahaha called it. Your genuineness #outed you. Better switch it up

Hahaha! Good Call! You and 2 other people so far have guessed, lol. It's all good. Honestly, even if I get #outed, I don't ever post things online that I would care if admission people saw anyways.

[ngogirl12]

Hey

I think the starter version is great to start off with. Plenty of our Sages (those who scored 170+) used only that and were fine. You can always upgrade to the Ultimate +. I have it and love it because it gives you literally everything you will need for LSAT prep (drill, question bank, explanations, lessons on everything, etc) If you can afford the Ultimate+ I say get it. But you get the same core curriculum foe the $179 version. Also there is a 14 day trail, so if you don't like it, you get a refund.

Do I think you'll be ready for December with a 165 goal?

Hmmm...I'm actually big on the philosophy of not setting your goal as a date, but as a score.

I guess it all depends on where you are starting from. I think my advice changes on what you should do depending on whether your diagnostic is a 148 or a 153, you know? Breaking into the 160s can be quote tough, and a lot of people end up experiencing a plateau in their score in the low-160s before they jump into the 165+ range. Also, I think one should make sure they are comfortably scoring 3 points above their goal to account for the notorious test day drop.

Of course, everyone is different, so it is hard to say. Do you have diagnostic score?

+1 to all of this. Also, pretty sure I know exactly who O'Drama is on 7Sage lol

It rhymes with Balex Bivine

I knew it!!

[Barack O'Drama]

Hey

I think the starter version is great to start off with. Plenty of our Sages (those who scored 170+) used only that and were fine. You can always upgrade to the Ultimate +. I have it and love it because it gives you literally everything you will need for LSAT prep (drill, question bank, explanations, lessons on everything, etc) If you can afford the Ultimate+ I say get it. But you get the same core curriculum foe the $179 version. Also there is a 14 day trail, so if you don't like it, you get a refund.

Do I think you'll be ready for December with a 165 goal?

Hmmm...I'm actually big on the philosophy of not setting your goal as a date, but as a score.

I guess it all depends on where you are starting from. I think my advice changes on what you should do depending on whether your diagnostic is a 148 or a 153, you know? Breaking into the 160s can be quote tough, and a lot of people end up experiencing a plateau in their score in the low-160s before they jump into the 165+ range. Also, I think one should make sure they are comfortably scoring 3 points above their goal to account for the notorious test day drop.

Of course, everyone is different, so it is hard to say. Do you have diagnostic score?

+1 to all of this. Also, pretty sure I know exactly who O'Drama is on 7Sage lol

It rhymes with Balex Bivine

I knew it!!

Omg! You too? what gave it away?

[ngogirl12]

Hey

I think the starter version is great to start off with. Plenty of our Sages (those who scored 170+) used only that and were fine. You can always upgrade to the Ultimate +. I have it and love it because it gives you literally everything you will need for LSAT prep (drill, question bank, explanations, lessons on everything, etc) If you can afford the Ultimate+ I say get it. But you get the same core curriculum foe the $179 version. Also there is a 14 day trail, so if you don't like it, you get a refund.

Do I think you'll be ready for December with a 165 goal?

Hmmm...I'm actually big on the philosophy of not setting your goal as a date, but as a score.

I guess it all depends on where you are starting from. I think my advice changes on what you should do depending on whether your diagnostic is a 148 or a 153, you know? Breaking into the 160s can be quote tough, and a lot of people end up experiencing a plateau in their score in the low-160s before they jump into the 165+ range. Also, I think one should make sure they are comfortably scoring 3 points above their goal to account for the notorious test day drop.

Of course, everyone is different, so it is hard to say. Do you have diagnostic score?

+1 to all of this. Also, pretty sure I know exactly who O'Drama is on 7Sage lol

It rhymes with Balex Bivine

I knew it!!

Omg! You too? what gave it away?

Haha two things:

1) You being a guy (I assumed)
2) You said your a mentor

So it was easy to deduce lol

[speedwagon]

OH HELLO. I am after much debate going for the December LSAT - September is a logistical nightmare for many reasons (I'd have to take it out of town during a wedding I can't miss = seems like a setup for a suboptimal test) and I figure more time can't hurt. My LSAT score is going to be the thing that decides where I apply in the end; my undergraduate GPA was a 3.53 (approximately 1000 years ago) and if I nail it I think options will really open up. I worry about taking the late one vis a vis scholarship $ and I still have 6 hours to change my mind, but at this point it seems like a terrible idea.

I did an almost raw diagnostic test via the LSAT For Dummies* and did pretty well (-2 LR, -2 RC, and -15 for the games, mostly because I didn't come close to finishing.) My plan right now is to drill the crap out of the LGs for a week or two, take the 2007 diagnostic and BR it with the 7sage freebie, and then decide how much $ to spend from there vis a vis LSAT Trainer only, Logic Games Bible, 7Sage lowest-tier course, etc..

My initial plan was CUNY or bust (lots of interest in PI law + you can't beat that price) but I realized that I am already at the high end of their range and with studying I could be competitive for $ at the big schools in NY, depending on how interested they are in my story. I'm a nontraditional student (in my 30s and 13 years out of college) and feel a little more lackadaisical about this whole thing than a lot of folks I see here. I want to study, and I want to do well, but I'm not gunning to make a fortune; I'm hoping to have an awesome job practicing law, housing law or civil rights-related, and a debt load that doesn't slaughter me. I won't go if the $ doesn't make sense. That said, there's the part of me that's envisioning a 175+ and a scholarship and a life of thinking and scholarship and robes and etc...but first I have to get the scores.

SO HI THERE. Let's kill it.

* I am not 100% sure it was an actual LSAT; I bought it bc it was cheap and am seeing I got what I paid for in other aspects with the book. Maybe it was a fake? Googling the test qs brings up nothing but the book itself.

[Mikey]

OH HELLO. I am after much debate going for the December LSAT - September is a logistical nightmare for many reasons (I'd have to take it out of town during a wedding I can't miss = seems like a setup for a suboptimal test) and I figure more time can't hurt. My LSAT score is going to be the thing that decides where I apply in the end; my undergraduate GPA was a 3.53 (approximately 1000 years ago) and if I nail it I think options will really open up. I worry about taking the late one vis a vis scholarship $ and I still have 6 hours to change my mind, but at this point it seems like a terrible idea.

I did an almost raw diagnostic test via the LSAT For Dummies* and did pretty well (-2 LR, -2 RC, and -15 for the games, mostly because I didn't come close to finishing.) My plan right now is to drill the crap out of the LGs for a week or two, take the 2007 diagnostic and BR it with the 7sage freebie, and then decide how much $ to spend from there vis a vis LSAT Trainer only, Logic Games Bible, 7Sage lowest-tier course, etc..

My initial plan was CUNY or bust (lots of interest in PI law + you can't beat that price) but I realized that I am already at the high end of their range and with studying I could be competitive for $ at the big schools in NY, depending on how interested they are in my story. I'm a nontraditional student (in my 30s and 13 years out of college) and feel a little more lackadaisical about this whole thing than a lot of folks I see here. I want to study, and I want to do well, but I'm not gunning to make a fortune; I'm hoping to have an awesome job practicing law, housing law or civil rights-related, and a debt load that doesn't slaughter me. I won't go if the $ doesn't make sense. That said, there's the part of me that's envisioning a 175+ and a scholarship and a life of thinking and scholarship and robes and etc...but first I have to get the scores.

SO HI THERE. Let's kill it.

* I am not 100% sure it was an actual LSAT; I bought it bc it was cheap and am seeing I got what I paid for in other aspects with the book. Maybe it was a fake? Googling the test qs brings up nothing but the book itself.

Honestly, I think with a month of intense LG prep you can already be in the 170s. -2 LR and -2 RC is really really good. I think it's possible for you to do very well on the test in September since LG is your weakness. But it's up to you obviously.

Fwiw, I learned LG (not including miscellaneous/abnormal games) in a month back in January-February and I'm not particularly the brightest person around. So there's that.. Lol

[FedReserved]

..and feel a little more lackadaisical about this whole thing than a lot of folks I see here. I want to study, and I want to do well, but I'm not gunning to make a fortune; I'm hoping to have an awesome job practicing law, housing law or civil rights-related, and a debt load that doesn't slaughter me. I won't go if the $ doesn't make sense. That said, there's the part of me that's envisioning a 175+ and a scholarship and a life of thinking and scholarship and robes and etc...but first I have to get the scores.

Completely agree with your first point. I would like to do awesome and get loads of $$$. I'm pretty much deadset on one school (tier 1 - bottom half) so it's either that or counting your parents hypertension pills

[ruby11]

Official check-in. Third retake, 160-C from 2014. I was PTing at 174-175 before C. C happened as a result of undiagnosed PTSD.

I haven't touched a PT since the cancel. In previous prep I've worked through Manhattan and PS, done every PT 1-67 twice.

I want 177+, really hoping my PTSD-addled brain allows me to get there. Going to grind the timed PTs again, spend more time on specific analysis and somehow augment RC. RC is/was really my weakness.

If anyone has RC suggestions or wants to form a study partnership in the Bay Area, feel free to send a PM. Third times a charm, right?

[twiix]

Official check-in. Third retake, 160-C from 2014. I was PTing at 174-175 before C. C happened as a result of undiagnosed PTSD.

I haven't touched a PT since the cancel. In previous prep I've worked through Manhattan and PS, done every PT 1-67 twice.

I want 177+, really hoping my PTSD-addled brain allows me to get there. Going to grind the timed PTs again, spend more time on specific analysis and somehow augment RC. RC is/was really my weakness.

If anyone has RC suggestions or wants to form a study partnership in the Bay Area, feel free to send a PM. Third times a charm, right?

Damn that's a crazy personal statement waiting to happen once you get your LSAT down. Good luck to you. Depending on your uGPA, if you can pull a 174 on the real thing I'm sure you can pull anything T14 even without the PTSD working in your favor.

I think the Manhattan RC book has been the best resource for me, and I know a lot of other people have had success with it. You can also check out 7sage's RC memory method which is a godsend. https://7sage.com/lsat-reading-comprehe ... ry-method/

[jjbruno6]

I am a December LSAT taker with very limited knowledge on how to take this test! I saw pithypikes study guide but do not understand the breakdown at all, or how it works. If anyone has knowledge on that please help me!!! I am very new to this forum, and really want to do well on this test! I am a recent graduate from ASU whom graduated with a 3.95 GPA and won the Dean's Medalist Award. My goal on this test is a 160 or higher to get into ASU (hometown kid don't want to leave). Can someone please give me some advice on which books I should buy, and how I can self study to achieve this goal?

Kaplan has proven horrible for me thus far

The only two books I own right now or Logic Games Bible, and the LSAT trainer, am I behind? What other books and practice tests should I order to further my education? Do these practice tests come with full explanations? Also what are these Cambridge drill packets?

As you can see I am overwhelmed and lost, hopefully someone can help me!

[Barack O'Drama]

I am a December LSAT taker with very limited knowledge on how to take this test! I saw pithypikes study guide but do not understand the breakdown at all, or how it works. If anyone has knowledge on that please help me!!! I am very new to this forum, and really want to do well on this test! I am a recent graduate from ASU whom graduated with a 3.95 GPA and won the Dean's Medalist Award. My goal on this test is a 160 or higher to get into ASU (hometown kid don't want to leave). Can someone please give me some advice on which books I should buy, and how I can self study to achieve this goal?

Kaplan has proven horrible for me thus far

The only two books I own right now or Logic Games Bible, and the LSAT trainer, am I behind? What other books and practice tests should I order to further my education? Do these practice tests come with full explanations? Also what are these Cambridge drill packets?

As you can see I am overwhelmed and lost, hopefully someone can help me!

Hey dude,

Don't worry about pithy's guide right now or following any one schedule that you think will lead you to a high score. Everyone is so vastly different and there's little use to following other people's study guides. They can serve as a roadmap, but not a GPS, if you know what I mean.

Books I recommend:

The LSAT Trainer w/ 16 Week Study Guide PT 52-71

Yup, that about it. I also think Powerscore Logical Reasoning Bible was useful, but Manhattan Prep's LSAT stuff for LG is better. LR is good, but for starting out I think the LR Bible is a bit better.


What I would recommend is checking out 7Sage and signing up for a free trial. I can't tell you how much 7Sage was a game changer for me. The lessons are fun, they keep you engaged with real world example, it's all on video, it includes drills, problem sets, 1900+ question bank sorted by type/difficulty, and every PT 36-current with video explanations. Best decision I made for the LSAT hands down. Check out the reviews and see what people have to say....Also it will give you a customized study schedule so you don't have to worry about following one that is not right for you.


I don't know what your diagnostic was, or if you've even taken on yet, so I don't know if December is going to work for you.
I'll tell you this much, as someone with a 3.92 GPA I am gunning for HYS and you, having a higher GPA, should be gunning for the best too. Don't waste that GPA on a 160.... Even if that is all you think you need, that isn't how you should look at it. Out of the gate, you are handicapping yourself. You might not see it at first but when you set your goal to what you need and not your potential you are basically not giving 100% right out of the gate. So even if you are content with ASU aim to score you potential, not what you "need."

So here is what I think: If you're Diagnostic was below a 150 DO NOT SHOOT for December. It doesn't mean you can't hit 160 by then, but it does mean you need a lot of work on things that take time and there is no reason to rush. At the end of the day, your end goal is a score and not the date of the test. So remember what you are working towards. Your LSAT Score....

Cambridge packets are no longer available. LSAC banned all pdfs of tests and the packets. You can still get the hard copies for upwards of $1500. Not worth it.

What I'd suggest going forward.....

Decide if you want to invest in 7Sage (Courses start at $179) I think you should be fine with the starter course, besides, you can always upgrade if you want and there's a 14-day money back policy.

If that isn't something you want to do, then I would suggest this.

The LSAT Trainer w/ 16 Week Study Guide PTs 52-71 *link for tests you'll need below*

https://www.amazon.com/Actual-Official- ... tual+tests

https://www.amazon.com/10-Actual-Offici ... HT68KY99VR


You can use both, or just choose one. I think either one can get you to a 160. It is ultimately going to be up to you to put in the work.

I hope this helps. Certainly let me know if you have any questions. Always here to help a fellow LSATTER

[twiix]

I am a December LSAT taker with very limited knowledge on how to take this test! I saw pithypikes study guide but do not understand the breakdown at all, or how it works. If anyone has knowledge on that please help me!!! I am very new to this forum, and really want to do well on this test! I am a recent graduate from ASU whom graduated with a 3.95 GPA and won the Dean's Medalist Award. My goal on this test is a 160 or higher to get into ASU (hometown kid don't want to leave). Can someone please give me some advice on which books I should buy, and how I can self study to achieve this goal?

Kaplan has proven horrible for me thus far

The only two books I own right now or Logic Games Bible, and the LSAT trainer, am I behind? What other books and practice tests should I order to further my education? Do these practice tests come with full explanations? Also what are these Cambridge drill packets?

As you can see I am overwhelmed and lost, hopefully someone can help me!

Hey dude,

Don't worry about pithy's guide right now or following any one schedule that you think will lead you to a high score. Everyone is so vastly different and there's little use to following other people's study guides. They can serve as a roadmap, but not a GPS, if you know what I mean.

Books I recommend:

The LSAT Trainer w/ 16 Week Study Guide PT 52-71

Yup, that about it. I also think Powerscore Logical Reasoning Bible was useful, but Manhattan Prep's LSAT stuff for LG is better. LR is good, but for starting out I think the LR Bible is a bit better.


What I would recommend is checking out 7Sage and signing up for a free trial. I can't tell you how much 7Sage was a game changer for me. The lessons are fun, they keep you engaged with real world example, it's all on video, it includes drills, problem sets, 1900+ question bank sorted by type/difficulty, and every PT 36-current with video explanations. Best decision I made for the LSAT hands down. Check out the reviews and see what people have to say....Also it will give you a customized study schedule so you don't have to worry about following one that is not right for you.


I don't know what your diagnostic was, or if you've even taken on yet, so I don't know if December is going to work for you.
I'll tell you this much, as someone with a 3.92 GPA I am gunning for HYS and you, having a higher GPA, should be gunning for the best too. Don't waste that GPA on a 160.... Even if that is all you think you need, that isn't how you should look at it. Out of the gate, you are handicapping yourself. You might not see it at first but when you set your goal to what you need and not your potential you are basically not giving 100% right out of the gate. So even if you are content with ASU aim to score you potential, not what you "need."

So here is what I think: If you're Diagnostic was below a 150 DO NOT SHOOT for December. It doesn't mean you can't hit 160 by then, but it does mean you need a lot of work on things that take time and there is no reason to rush. At the end of the day, your end goal is a score and not the date of the test. So remember what you are working towards. Your LSAT Score....

Cambridge packets are no longer available. LSAC banned all pdfs of tests and the packets. You can still get the hard copies for upwards of $1500. Not worth it.

What I'd suggest going forward.....

Decide if you want to invest in 7Sage (Courses start at $179) I think you should be fine with the starter course, besides, you can always upgrade if you want and there's a 14-day money back policy.

If that isn't something you want to do, then I would suggest this.

The LSAT Trainer w/ 16 Week Study Guide PTs 52-71 *link for tests you'll need below*

https://www.amazon.com/Actual-Official- ... tual+tests

https://www.amazon.com/10-Actual-Offici ... HT68KY99VR


You can use both, or just choose one. I think either one can get you to a 160. It is ultimately going to be up to you to put in the work.

I hope this helps. Certainly let me know if you have any questions. Always here to help a fellow LSATTER

Everything said here is pretty spot on. Start with 7sage and trainer, use bibles as spot fixers for more info if necessary.

Also, don't limit yourself with ASU. It's fine to want to go there, but if it turns out you get a 178 and can get into Stanford with scholarship money would you really want to turn that down? Maybe, which is fine, but that will basically guarantee a free ride anywhere you would want to go locally.

[Barack O'Drama]

I am a December LSAT taker with very limited knowledge on how to take this test! I saw pithypikes study guide but do not understand the breakdown at all, or how it works. If anyone has knowledge on that please help me!!! I am very new to this forum, and really want to do well on this test! I am a recent graduate from ASU whom graduated with a 3.95 GPA and won the Dean's Medalist Award. My goal on this test is a 160 or higher to get into ASU (hometown kid don't want to leave). Can someone please give me some advice on which books I should buy, and how I can self study to achieve this goal?

Kaplan has proven horrible for me thus far

The only two books I own right now or Logic Games Bible, and the LSAT trainer, am I behind? What other books and practice tests should I order to further my education? Do these practice tests come with full explanations? Also what are these Cambridge drill packets?

As you can see I am overwhelmed and lost, hopefully someone can help me!

Hey dude,

Don't worry about pithy's guide right now or following any one schedule that you think will lead you to a high score. Everyone is so vastly different and there's little use to following other people's study guides. They can serve as a roadmap, but not a GPS, if you know what I mean.

Books I recommend:

The LSAT Trainer w/ 16 Week Study Guide PT 52-71

Yup, that about it. I also think Powerscore Logical Reasoning Bible was useful, but Manhattan Prep's LSAT stuff for LG is better. LR is good, but for starting out I think the LR Bible is a bit better.


What I would recommend is checking out 7Sage and signing up for a free trial. I can't tell you how much 7Sage was a game changer for me. The lessons are fun, they keep you engaged with real world example, it's all on video, it includes drills, problem sets, 1900+ question bank sorted by type/difficulty, and every PT 36-current with video explanations. Best decision I made for the LSAT hands down. Check out the reviews and see what people have to say....Also it will give you a customized study schedule so you don't have to worry about following one that is not right for you.


I don't know what your diagnostic was, or if you've even taken on yet, so I don't know if December is going to work for you.
I'll tell you this much, as someone with a 3.92 GPA I am gunning for HYS and you, having a higher GPA, should be gunning for the best too. Don't waste that GPA on a 160.... Even if that is all you think you need, that isn't how you should look at it. Out of the gate, you are handicapping yourself. You might not see it at first but when you set your goal to what you need and not your potential you are basically not giving 100% right out of the gate. So even if you are content with ASU aim to score you potential, not what you "need."

So here is what I think: If you're Diagnostic was below a 150 DO NOT SHOOT for December. It doesn't mean you can't hit 160 by then, but it does mean you need a lot of work on things that take time and there is no reason to rush. At the end of the day, your end goal is a score and not the date of the test. So remember what you are working towards. Your LSAT Score....

Cambridge packets are no longer available. LSAC banned all pdfs of tests and the packets. You can still get the hard copies for upwards of $1500. Not worth it.

What I'd suggest going forward.....

Decide if you want to invest in 7Sage (Courses start at $179) I think you should be fine with the starter course, besides, you can always upgrade if you want and there's a 14-day money back policy.

If that isn't something you want to do, then I would suggest this.

The LSAT Trainer w/ 16 Week Study Guide PTs 52-71 *link for tests you'll need below*

https://www.amazon.com/Actual-Official- ... tual+tests

https://www.amazon.com/10-Actual-Offici ... HT68KY99VR


You can use both, or just choose one. I think either one can get you to a 160. It is ultimately going to be up to you to put in the work.

I hope this helps. Certainly let me know if you have any questions. Always here to help a fellow LSATTER

Everything said here is pretty spot on. Start with 7sage and trainer, use bibles as spot fixers for more info if necessary.

Also, don't limit yourself with ASU. It's fine to want to go there, but if it turns out you get a 178 and can get into Stanford with scholarship money would you really want to turn that down? Maybe, which is fine, but that will basically guarantee a free ride anywhere you would want to go locally.

S, along with H and Y don't give merit aid, just need based. Still, you're not going to get a fully tuition scholly at ASU with a 160. So it is worth just taking the LSAT and working to score as high as you can in a reasonable amount of time. You'll determine what that time line looks like, but if it was saving me 50-100k, it may look closer to a year than a few months...

[jjbruno6]

Thanks for the solid advice guys!! Is the starter course of 7sage still worth it even though you only get questions from the easiest question sets?? Do there lessons and video lessons help a lot??

[Barack O'Drama]

Thanks for the solid advice guys!! Is the starter course of 7sage still worth it even though you only get questions from the easiest question sets?? Do there lessons and video lessons help a lot??

Yeah, the starter course is the best bang for your buck. The nice thing is you can always upgrade, but the core curriculum is the same. Ultimate and Ultimate + definitely are amazing as well, but you literally can't go wrong with the starter course.

Their lessons and videos help immensely! I can't tell people enough how much 7Sage helped me. Went from missing 8 in LR and 20 in LG to -3 in LR and -3 in LG. It is hard to verbalize how helpful it is to see LR/LG/RC questions solved in real time by someone who scored in the 99%-tile.

[scalawag]

Working on logical reasoning questions with conditional logic. They're kicking my ass. Its gonna take me maybe a week to master this.

Drinking coffee with two shots of espresso.

[Deardevil]

Working on logical reasoning questions with conditional logic. They're kicking my ass. Its gonna take me maybe a week to master this.

Drinking coffee with two shots of espresso.

Yeah, they can be a pain at first glance.
Luckily, I had my fair share of conditionals in college.
If you have any problem areas, feel free to ask;
I love conditionals in general, but they can be a total nuisance in certain questions.

[yungkahlo]

Anyone else studying everyday? I'm worried about burning out before December, but I have to work apace in order to review everything on time...

[Deardevil]

Anyone else studying everyday? I'm worried about burning out before December, but I have to work apace in order to review everything on time...

I am and also feel the same way.
Still have other things to take care of for the application...
Really don't wish to wait an extra year to get admitted.

[ruby11]

Damn that's a crazy personal statement waiting to happen once you get your LSAT down. Good luck to you. Depending on your uGPA, if you can pull a 174 on the real thing I'm sure you can pull anything T14 even without the PTSD working in your favor.

I think the Manhattan RC book has been the best resource for me, and I know a lot of other people have had success with it. You can also check out 7sage's RC memory method which is a godsend. https://7sage.com/lsat-reading-comprehe ... ry-method/

Thank you for the heads up on 7sage utility. If I remember correctly I didn't discover that resource until a month before C and it was in a very basic form at that time.

Re: PTSD & PS - I've got the material aspect covered for sure. But as much as I know I could disclose very effectively in a PS/DS, I don't know that I will. I'm 99% sure I'm not asking for accommodations and I'm afraid adcomms might assume my 170+ is non-standard if I volunteer that information.

Since I ragequit this forum with all other things LSAT on that dreadful winter morning so many years ago...A CIRCLE GAME ARE YOU EFFING FORREAL?

Games were cake but it had to be said. Fck.