The Official September 2016 Study Group - WAKE ME UP WHEN SEPTEMBER ENDS Forum

[Mikey]

So I'm going through 7sage's curriculum and principle questions (the ones that usually say something like "helps justify the reasoning above?") are called "Pseudo sufficient assumption" questions. This just seemed so weird to me because I've always just thought of them as the specific principle questions in which the A/C would justify it in a general way. While thinking of the other principle questions as general to specific in which the stimulus is general and you apply it to one of the A/C which is (how I think of the A/C) kind of like an example. Idk, the fact that 7sage calls them Pseudo sufficient assumption questions is just weird to me, lol. And what is even more weird, is that he approaches them like sufficient assumption questions, and it actually makes a lot of sense, which I never even thought about before.

[Barack O'Drama]

Another completely unproductive day. (LSAT wise- I successfully moved apartments so there's that.) Only did 3 lg sections this evening, no lr or rc, first two went ok then absolutely bombed the third, (then promptly got too exhausted to do anything.) Going to wake up early and photocopy all the games from 19-28 tomorrow and try to have a productive day. Hard work will pay off.

Goodnight everyone! Enjoy the weekend

I'm moving myself soon. Probably within the next couple weeks. What a pain, but my new place is going to be a lot bigger and nicer, so that's always something cool to look forward to. (My own study space rather than on the kitchen table!)

I feel ya on it being another unproductive day. I am actually taking it easy this weekend. I've been having symptoms of burnout. I think I went for 3 weeks straight without a day off. Tomorrow I'm going to put in 4 hours or so, and same on Sunday. Monday I will start putting in 6 hours or so again.

Sounds like you got a good plan on moving forward though. Sweet! Congrats on completing your move and have a good night

Thank you!! Yeah, this place is a bachelor as opposed to a 4 bdrm, so no roommates, which should be optimum for productivity, plus much closer to the gym (almost across the street aww yiss), campus, library, work, grocery store.

I hope your move goes well! Your own study place should be a big plus.

Totally know what you mean - I can't remember the last time I didn't do any lsat work. Taking it easy this weekend sounds like a good plan (if just 4 hrs a day is taking it easy ) Burn out is definitely something to avoid!

I know man! Roommates were fun and all, but it is so nice to just have a quiet space when you want it. Especially during studying for the LSAT. And if your move gives you all that, plus is closer to the places you frequent, sounds like a win-win to me!!

Thanks! Can't wait. It is really stressful because I'm kind of left to do all the moving alone, but it could be worse. Should only take a few days to get everything over to the new place via U-Haul truck, and maybe another couple more to settle in properly. My biggest fear is not having internet right away lol

Yeah I am only looking to do 4 hours today and maybe 2-3 tomorrow depending on how I feel. I want to be ready for the start of a new week! I have also found that breaking up my studying is helping me a lot! 2 hours twice a day is so much better than 4 hours all at once, at least for my learning style.

[Barack O'Drama]

Opinions....

Does anyone on here think it is worth going through the Powerscore Logic Reasoning book or should I just go straight for the Manhattan Logical Reasoning book. Asking because I found it helpful to go through the Logic Games bible before going to the MLSAT Logic games. Not sure if it is worth it with LR though?

PS LR and MLR and much more similar books than are PS LG and MLG, so I wouldn't think it worth it and you may very well waste a lot of time doing that. they are both very good books and you can't go wrong with either. if you read all of the Trainer, going to Manhattan seems like the right move in my opinion. for a beginner or someone who feels like their LR skills still needs foundational work, it could be argued that PS would be better. so how do you feel you are with LR right now? if you think your LR skills are just terrible, PS MIGHT be a safer option because I do think Manhattan is a bit more advanced. I wouldn't think you're at that level though since you did read the Trainer!

edit: one important thing to note, I think, is that Manhattan uses much harder questions in their books than PS does. so some might feel like they aren't making progress with Manhattan when they actually are!

Awesome. Thanks! Yeah, I went through the Trainer this past month, so I have a decent foundation of LR. I need to brush up one some skills, but I more or less have the basics down. Probably best to just go to MLR and skip the PS LR. I just feel like I wasted money on it now, lol.

Thanks Proteinshake

I think you could still benefit from it. if you read a chapter from M and don't understand the question type well or need another way of learning it, use PS. I improved a lot using PS the first time I studied!

That is a good way to look at it—if I need another way to figuring things out to consult the LRB. At least this way I won't feel like I wasted the $45 bucks on it, haha

[Barack O'Drama]

So I'm going through 7sage's curriculum and principle questions (the ones that usually say something like "helps justify the reasoning above?") are called "Pseudo sufficient assumption" questions. This just seemed so weird to me because I've always just thought of them as the specific principle questions in which the A/C would justify it in a general way. While thinking of the other principle questions as general to specific in which the stimulus is general and you apply it to one of the A/C which is (how I think of the A/C) kind of like an example. Idk, the fact that 7sage calls them Pseudo sufficient assumption questions is just weird to me, lol. And what is even more weird, is that he approaches them like sufficient assumption questions, and it actually makes a lot of sense, which I never even thought about before.

7Sage is awesome for that reason! At least for the LGs explanations I always find another way of doing things so interesting, as well as extremely helpful.

Do you think it is easier/better to think about them like that? I feel like The LSAT Trainer had a smilier approach, but I could be recalling incorrectly.

[Alexandros]

Another completely unproductive day. (LSAT wise- I successfully moved apartments so there's that.) Only did 3 lg sections this evening, no lr or rc, first two went ok then absolutely bombed the third, (then promptly got too exhausted to do anything.) Going to wake up early and photocopy all the games from 19-28 tomorrow and try to have a productive day. Hard work will pay off.

Goodnight everyone! Enjoy the weekend

I'm moving myself soon. Probably within the next couple weeks. What a pain, but my new place is going to be a lot bigger and nicer, so that's always something cool to look forward to. (My own study space rather than on the kitchen table!)

I feel ya on it being another unproductive day. I am actually taking it easy this weekend. I've been having symptoms of burnout. I think I went for 3 weeks straight without a day off. Tomorrow I'm going to put in 4 hours or so, and same on Sunday. Monday I will start putting in 6 hours or so again.

Sounds like you got a good plan on moving forward though. Sweet! Congrats on completing your move and have a good night

Thank you!! Yeah, this place is a bachelor as opposed to a 4 bdrm, so no roommates, which should be optimum for productivity, plus much closer to the gym (almost across the street aww yiss), campus, library, work, grocery store.

I hope your move goes well! Your own study place should be a big plus.

Totally know what you mean - I can't remember the last time I didn't do any lsat work. Taking it easy this weekend sounds like a good plan (if just 4 hrs a day is taking it easy ) Burn out is definitely something to avoid!

One resolution I've made to myself is I will get a 1 bedroom for law school. This makes scholarships and cheap COL schools all the more important. Haha

so true. I was in a 4 bedroom during UG and omg I couldn't imagine doing that for law school where my grades will have so much effect on my career opportunities!

yES. It's a difficult enough time trying to balance inevitable social commitments of living with roommates (among another things) with UG courses. 1 bdrm during law school for sure, provided there are options within price range. -_-

I mean, I feel like I'm going to have enough commitments of a social-nature for the next years of UG (extracurriculars, work, random things), that I'm not toooo concerned about completely withdrawing into an antisocial bubble, and being able to unwind / do work / cook / whatever somewhere where I don't have to deal with interacting with other people is going to be really nice.

In other news, I'm so fucking stoked to not attend my ex-roommates' first house party, y'all have no idea. It's terrible.

[Alexandros]

Another completely unproductive day. (LSAT wise- I successfully moved apartments so there's that.) Only did 3 lg sections this evening, no lr or rc, first two went ok then absolutely bombed the third, (then promptly got too exhausted to do anything.) Going to wake up early and photocopy all the games from 19-28 tomorrow and try to have a productive day. Hard work will pay off.

Goodnight everyone! Enjoy the weekend

I'm moving myself soon. Probably within the next couple weeks. What a pain, but my new place is going to be a lot bigger and nicer, so that's always something cool to look forward to. (My own study space rather than on the kitchen table!)

I feel ya on it being another unproductive day. I am actually taking it easy this weekend. I've been having symptoms of burnout. I think I went for 3 weeks straight without a day off. Tomorrow I'm going to put in 4 hours or so, and same on Sunday. Monday I will start putting in 6 hours or so again.

Sounds like you got a good plan on moving forward though. Sweet! Congrats on completing your move and have a good night

Thank you!! Yeah, this place is a bachelor as opposed to a 4 bdrm, so no roommates, which should be optimum for productivity, plus much closer to the gym (almost across the street aww yiss), campus, library, work, grocery store.

I hope your move goes well! Your own study place should be a big plus.

Totally know what you mean - I can't remember the last time I didn't do any lsat work. Taking it easy this weekend sounds like a good plan (if just 4 hrs a day is taking it easy ) Burn out is definitely something to avoid!

I know man! Roommates were fun and all, but it is so nice to just have a quiet space when you want it. Especially during studying for the LSAT. And if your move gives you all that, plus is closer to the places you frequent, sounds like a win-win to me!!

Thanks! Can't wait. It is really stressful because I'm kind of left to do all the moving alone, but it could be worse. Should only take a few days to get everything over to the new place via U-Haul truck, and maybe another couple more to settle in properly. My biggest fear is not having internet right away lol

Yeah I am only looking to do 4 hours today and maybe 2-3 tomorrow depending on how I feel. I want to be ready for the start of a new week! I have also found that breaking up my studying is helping me a lot! 2 hours twice a day is so much better than 4 hours all at once, at least for my learning style.

That's great! Sounds stressful doing it all on your own for sure, but at least you don't have to worry about scam-y moving guys that way. Yeeah I'm without internet til the 7th (top-law-schools.com via iphone 5....) thanks to putting off subscribing to wifi until the last minute and it's not the funnest thing.

Good for you! 2 hrs 2x a day makes sense for sure.

[Mikey]

So I'm going through 7sage's curriculum and principle questions (the ones that usually say something like "helps justify the reasoning above?") are called "Pseudo sufficient assumption" questions. This just seemed so weird to me because I've always just thought of them as the specific principle questions in which the A/C would justify it in a general way. While thinking of the other principle questions as general to specific in which the stimulus is general and you apply it to one of the A/C which is (how I think of the A/C) kind of like an example. Idk, the fact that 7sage calls them Pseudo sufficient assumption questions is just weird to me, lol. And what is even more weird, is that he approaches them like sufficient assumption questions, and it actually makes a lot of sense, which I never even thought about before.

7Sage is awesome for that reason! At least for the LGs explanations I always find another way of doing things so interesting, as well as extremely helpful.

Do you think it is easier/better to think about them like that? I feel like The LSAT Trainer had a smilier approach, but I could be recalling incorrectly.

Mmmm, in a way I would say yes it might be better to see them like S.A questions, but for me, I liked my way of thinking about these questions beforehand. Maybe it's because I'm not used to it, but if you look at these questions and take the correct A/C and plug it into the argument as a premise like you would S.A questions, it does make sense with the correct A/C.

[cgra1916]

Tbh, I think having at least 1 roommate can be nice for when you're not in the books. Obviously you can make friends in law school, but having that person that you can hang at home or go out somewhere with can be nice as opposed to living alone.

I feel you on this one. I don't think I could do more than 1 roommate though haha.

My roommate during the first year of my Master's was badass, and I definitely enjoyed his company and hanging out during my free time as you mentioned. Since then, I haven't really gotten along or found much in common with my other two roommates. Nothing personal and no drama thankfully, they were pretty cool dudes.

The only thing with me is I like to keep things clean and organized around the common area, and when someone is not as considerate, I call them out on their shit and at times makes me miss a 1 bedroom apartment more haha. 1B apts can get pricey though, so I think I will also get a roommate for law school

[Mikey]

Okay, so earlier you said you tend to quickly put brackets/parenthesis around the conclusions in LR questions before you read it entirely. Quick question, do you do this for EVERY question?

[proteinshake]

Tbh, I think having at least 1 roommate can be nice for when you're not in the books. Obviously you can make friends in law school, but having that person that you can hang at home or go out somewhere with can be nice as opposed to living alone.

I feel you on this one. I don't think I could do more than 1 roommate though haha.

My roommate during the first year of my Master's was badass, and I definitely enjoyed his company and hanging out during my free time as you mentioned. Since then, I haven't really gotten along or found much in common with my other two roommates. Nothing personal and no drama thankfully, they were pretty cool dudes.

The only thing with me is I like to keep things clean and organized around the common area, and when someone is not as considerate, I call them out on their shit and at times makes me miss a 1 bedroom apartment more haha. 1B apts can get pricey though, so I think I will also get a roommate for law school

this. the kitchen was a nightmare

[20170322]

Okay, so earlier you said you tend to quickly put brackets/parenthesis around the conclusions in LR questions before you read it entirely. Quick question, do you do this for EVERY question?

Yup! Most questions deal with what the conclusion is, how it is reached, or the flaw in reaching it. Bracketing the conclusion before the stem keeps you from second guessing yourself, and it also helps you realize how the conclusion was reached.

[Mikey]

Okay, so earlier you said you tend to quickly put brackets/parenthesis around the conclusions in LR questions before you read it entirely. Quick question, do you do this for EVERY question?

Yup! Most questions deal with what the conclusion is, how it is reached, or the flaw in reaching it. Bracketing the conclusion before the stem keeps you from second guessing yourself, and it also helps you realize how the conclusion was reached.

Thanks! I think I will incorporate this in my drilling tonight and hopefully it helps me out!

[Barack O'Drama]

So I'm going through 7sage's curriculum and principle questions (the ones that usually say something like "helps justify the reasoning above?") are called "Pseudo sufficient assumption" questions. This just seemed so weird to me because I've always just thought of them as the specific principle questions in which the A/C would justify it in a general way. While thinking of the other principle questions as general to specific in which the stimulus is general and you apply it to one of the A/C which is (how I think of the A/C) kind of like an example. Idk, the fact that 7sage calls them Pseudo sufficient assumption questions is just weird to me, lol. And what is even more weird, is that he approaches them like sufficient assumption questions, and it actually makes a lot of sense, which I never even thought about before.

7Sage is awesome for that reason! At least for the LGs explanations I always find another way of doing things so interesting, as well as extremely helpful.

Do you think it is easier/better to think about them like that? I feel like The LSAT Trainer had a smilier approach, but I could be recalling incorrectly.

Mmmm, in a way I would say yes it might be better to see them like S.A questions, but for me, I liked my way of thinking about these questions beforehand. Maybe it's because I'm not used to it, but if you look at these questions and take the correct A/C and plug it into the argument as a premise like you would S.A questions, it does make sense with the correct A/C.

You way sounds more straight forward for sure. Probably less apt to mess it up because of that, and that fact you already know it... Still a cool way to consider it if you should get stuck with 2 A/Cs..

[Barack O'Drama]

Okay, so earlier you said you tend to quickly put brackets/parenthesis around the conclusions in LR questions before you read it entirely. Quick question, do you do this for EVERY question?

Yup! Most questions deal with what the conclusion is, how it is reached, or the flaw in reaching it. Bracketing the conclusion before the stem keeps you from second guessing yourself, and it also helps you realize how the conclusion was reached.

Thanks! I think I will incorporate this in my drilling tonight and hopefully it helps me out!

Very helpful advice! Thanks Sweet

[20170322]

Man, I feel like absolute shit today. Think it's because I'm cutting back on coffee. Didn't workout, just ate a bag of candy, and I'm going to spend the rest of the day in bed.

[Mikey]

Man, I feel like absolute shit today. Think it's because I'm cutting back on coffee. Didn't workout, just ate a bag of candy, and I'm going to spend the rest of the day in bed.

NETFLIX BINGEEEEEEEE

[imran.malek]

Checking in to the thread y'all, didn't score what I wanted in June (162 after 165-169 in PTs), let the games begin?


*Ok, actually "begin again" - trying to be better about blind reviewing PTs so I can avoid making the same mistakes as last time.

[Mikey]

Checking in to the thread y'all, didn't score what I wanted in June (162 after 165-169 in PTs), let the games begin?


*Ok, actually "begin again" - trying to be better about blind reviewing PTs so I can avoid making the same mistakes as last time.

Welcome my friend!

Also,

let the (LOGIC) games begin?

Pun?

[Deardevil]

Okay, so earlier you said you tend to quickly put brackets/parenthesis around the conclusions in LR questions before you read it entirely. Quick question, do you do this for EVERY question?

While drilling, I tend to underline stuff in the stimulus, conclusion or not.
Maybe it's just me, but it helps me grasp it easier and quicker than otherwise.
Of course, it might cost me some time, but it's better to understand and get something done
than not understanding and waste even more time rereading and struggling as a whole, right?

Bracketing the conclusion makes more sense here since you might confuse a premise/subsidiary as the main conclusion.

[Alexandros]

Man, I feel like absolute shit today. Think it's because I'm cutting back on coffee. Didn't workout, just ate a bag of candy, and I'm going to spend the rest of the day in bed.

Sorry to hear that Feel better!

[imran.malek]

Okay, so earlier you said you tend to quickly put brackets/parenthesis around the conclusions in LR questions before you read it entirely. Quick question, do you do this for EVERY question?

While drilling, I tend to underline stuff in the stimulus, conclusion or not.
Maybe it's just me, but it helps me grasp it easier and quicker than otherwise.
Of course, it might cost me some time, but it's better to understand and get something done
than not understanding and waste even more time rereading and struggling as a whole, right?

Bracketing the conclusion makes more sense here since you might confuse a premise/subsidiary as the main conclusion.

Do you just need to eyeball for the conclusion before you read the rest of the stimulus? It seems hard to get the conclusion without reading the rest of the stimulus...

[20170322]

Okay, so earlier you said you tend to quickly put brackets/parenthesis around the conclusions in LR questions before you read it entirely. Quick question, do you do this for EVERY question?

While drilling, I tend to underline stuff in the stimulus, conclusion or not.
Maybe it's just me, but it helps me grasp it easier and quicker than otherwise.
Of course, it might cost me some time, but it's better to understand and get something done
than not understanding and waste even more time rereading and struggling as a whole, right?

Bracketing the conclusion makes more sense here since you might confuse a premise/subsidiary as the main conclusion.

Do you just need to eyeball for the conclusion before you read the rest of the stimulus? It seems hard to get the conclusion without reading the rest of the stimulus...

Read the entire stimulus, bracket the conclusion, read the question stem, answer the question.

[imran.malek]

Okay, so earlier you said you tend to quickly put brackets/parenthesis around the conclusions in LR questions before you read it entirely. Quick question, do you do this for EVERY question?

While drilling, I tend to underline stuff in the stimulus, conclusion or not.
Maybe it's just me, but it helps me grasp it easier and quicker than otherwise.
Of course, it might cost me some time, but it's better to understand and get something done
than not understanding and waste even more time rereading and struggling as a whole, right?

Bracketing the conclusion makes more sense here since you might confuse a premise/subsidiary as the main conclusion.

Do you just need to eyeball for the conclusion before you read the rest of the stimulus? It seems hard to get the conclusion without reading the rest of the stimulus...

Read the entire stimulus, bracket the conclusion, read the question stem, answer the question.

Hey, what are you doing replying?! You should be in bed in a candy coma

[Mikey]

Okay, so earlier you said you tend to quickly put brackets/parenthesis around the conclusions in LR questions before you read it entirely. Quick question, do you do this for EVERY question?

While drilling, I tend to underline stuff in the stimulus, conclusion or not.
Maybe it's just me, but it helps me grasp it easier and quicker than otherwise.
Of course, it might cost me some time, but it's better to understand and get something done
than not understanding and waste even more time rereading and struggling as a whole, right?

Bracketing the conclusion makes more sense here since you might confuse a premise/subsidiary as the main conclusion.

Do you just need to eyeball for the conclusion before you read the rest of the stimulus? It seems hard to get the conclusion without reading the rest of the stimulus...

You can look for indicator words such as Therefore, Thus, etc. Although these words can sometimes not indicate the the main conclusion of the argument, most of the time they do. If you see the word indicators at the beginning of a new sentence, then chances are that it is the ending conclusion of the argument. If it's within another sentence such as "company X rarely does this thus resulting in no profit", then it is a sub conclusion, and not the main one. At least this is how I personally look at it.

[Mikey]

Hey, what are you doing replying?! You should be in bed in a candy coma

tru.