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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by lawpro82 » Sun Apr 24, 2016 3:06 pm

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I think it works both ways...I agree, in strengthen/weaken you should usually read every answer choice, HOWEVER, in inference questions, method of reasoning, find the flaw, and assumption questions, once you find the correct answer, bubble in and move on. For two reasons. First and most obvious, speed. No explanation necessary. Secondly, I think the test is designed to make people second guess their original (and correct) answer. Often, I see the difference between somebody in the 160s and 170s being that the former get hung up on answer choices and allow the testmakers to confuse and trick them.

To succeed in all question types, but most importantly in LR, one must be PROACTIVE, not REACTIVE. During your untimed practice tests, work through the stimulus and try and answer the question before you even examine the answer choices.
so you sometimes compare choices to pick the best one? and for the categories that you listed you don't compare and pick one without eliminating others?
Exactly. For example, if A and B are arguing about a topic, and the question asks how B responds to A, and in the stimulus, he clearly uses a counterexample, and counterexample is answer choice A, I choose A and move on. If a parallel flaw question confuses sufficient and necessary in the stimulus, and answer choice B also confuses sufficient and necessary, I choose B and move on. I save a minute by not having to read the other answer choices, which buys me time for later, harder questions that need more thought, and it also prevents me from getting tricked out of a good answer choice.

I don't advocate this technique until you're scoring with 90+% accuracy on LR questions

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by YupSports » Sun Apr 24, 2016 3:15 pm

Going to drill RC for a few days before returning to PTs; my BR for 66 was great except for RC.

Anybody have tips for drilling RC?

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Post by proteinshake » Sun Apr 24, 2016 3:50 pm

YupSports wrote:Going to drill RC for a few days before returning to PTs; my BR for 66 was great except for RC.

Anybody have tips for drilling RC?
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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by longpig » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:07 pm

After having a good run of 174-177 scores, my last two PT's have fallen to 170-171. So frustrating. Although the last LG on PT72 was insane...

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Post by proteinshake » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:19 pm

longpig wrote:After having a good run of 174-177 scores, my last two PT's have fallen to 170-171. So frustrating. Although the last LG on PT72 was insane...
did the change occur when you moved into the recent PTs?

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by beenoparte125 » Sun Apr 24, 2016 6:43 pm

YupSports wrote:Just got a 167 on PT 66.

RC - 5
LR -2
LG -3
LR -4

Dumb errors on LG.

Gonna be putting in some extra RC work this weekend.
I didn't do as well on 66 as id hoped as well. The curve was pretty brutal.

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by 20170322 » Sun Apr 24, 2016 6:57 pm

Well, I've discovered my biggest LSAT weakness: Grouping games. Gonna do nothing but drill these suckers until I get them right.

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by nerdylsat » Mon Apr 25, 2016 12:18 am

PT C2: 166

LR1: -4
LR2 -1
LG: -6 (wtf)
RC: -3

Pretty tight curve and I don't know why but the LG really threw me off. It seems a hard LG section is a lot worse for me than a hard RC/LR section, because just one game wrong can mean 5+ answers wrong.

I'd be scoring in the 170s if not for LG :(

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by appind » Mon Apr 25, 2016 12:49 am

lawpro82 wrote:
Exactly. For example, if A and B are arguing about a topic, and the question asks how B responds to A, and in the stimulus, he clearly uses a counterexample, and counterexample is answer choice A, I choose A and move on. If a parallel flaw question confuses sufficient and necessary in the stimulus, and answer choice B also confuses sufficient and necessary, I choose B and move on. I save a minute by not having to read the other answer choices, which buys me time for later, harder questions that need more thought, and it also prevents me from getting tricked out of a good answer choice.

I don't advocate this technique until you're scoring with 90+% accuracy on LR questions
when you do compare answer choices for other types, do you think for some questions one must end up evaluating say choice B against choice C to find which one suits the task in the q-stem best? or, that a very skilled taker can always for all types of qs identify whether a choice is correct or wrong only by reading the answer choice without considering other choices?

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by appind » Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:00 am

just finished taking pt-77.

176

pleased with the result as i thought i missed quite a few on g3 of the LG. LR1 felt ok but i changed one answer at the last moment to what i think is a wrong choice. RC didn't feel very out of ordinary. LR2 surprisingly felt easy but i was stumped by one question in the later part of the test that took a lot of time and made me rush on a few questions toward the end. will be blind reviewing it over the week.

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Post by guppiesbaby » Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:55 am

appind wrote:just finished taking pt-77.

176

pleased with the result as i thought i missed quite a few on g3 of the LG. LR1 felt ok but i changed one answer at the last moment to what i think is a wrong choice. RC didn't feel very out of ordinary. LR2 surprisingly felt easy but i was stumped by one question in the later part of the test that took a lot of time and made me rush on a few questions toward the end. will be blind reviewing it over the week.
Damn, congrats on the 176! That test slayed me IRL.

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Post by longpig » Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:56 am

proteinshake wrote:
longpig wrote:After having a good run of 174-177 scores, my last two PT's have fallen to 170-171. So frustrating. Although the last LG on PT72 was insane...
did the change occur when you moved into the recent PTs?
i was taking only PT's 67 and up, so I don't think so :/

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by Mikey » Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:13 am

Felt like mixing it up so I took a (somewhat) older PT yesterday, PT 42.

LG: -1
LR: -5 (combined)
RC:-9 (YIKES)

167 (-15)

For LG I misinterpreted a question (G4 Q19), and even when I looked at 7sage's videos for this section afterwards, even they said many people misinterpret that question >.<

For RC, this is kind of normal for me to be honest, it's my worst section but I'm hoping to get better once I finish up this Blueprint RC book.
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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by proteinshake » Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:15 am

longpig wrote:
proteinshake wrote:
longpig wrote:After having a good run of 174-177 scores, my last two PT's have fallen to 170-171. So frustrating. Although the last LG on PT72 was insane...
did the change occur when you moved into the recent PTs?
i was taking only PT's 67 and up, so I don't think so :/
I hear a lot of people saying their score falls once they hit PT 70+

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by 20170322 » Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:18 am

TheMikey wrote:Felt like mixing it up so I took a (somewhat) older PT yesterday, PT 42.

LG: -1
LR: -5 (combined)
RC:-9 (YIKES)

167 (-15)

For LG I misinterpreted a question (G4 Q19), and even when I looked at 7sage's videos for this section afterwards, even they said many people misinterpret that question >.<

For RC, this is kind of normal for me to be honest, it's my worst section but I'm hoping to get better once I finish up this Blueprint RC book.

Do you write things like BCK, V1, V2, E1, E2, A1, A2 in the margins of the passage? For me, this was a game changer.

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by Mikey » Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:29 am

SweetTort wrote:
TheMikey wrote:Felt like mixing it up so I took a (somewhat) older PT yesterday, PT 42.

LG: -1
LR: -5 (combined)
RC:-9 (YIKES)

167 (-15)

For LG I misinterpreted a question (G4 Q19), and even when I looked at 7sage's videos for this section afterwards, even they said many people misinterpret that question >.<

For RC, this is kind of normal for me to be honest, it's my worst section but I'm hoping to get better once I finish up this Blueprint RC book.

Do you write things like BCK, V1, V2, E1, E2, A1, A2 in the margins of the passage? For me, this was a game changer.
Yeah, I've always done things similar to that but at times I miss important facts, but I never miss someone's opinion/point of view. When you find the main point do you write a very short version of it in the margin? Or do you just underline it and tag it?

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by 20170322 » Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:01 am

TheMikey wrote:
SweetTort wrote:
TheMikey wrote:Felt like mixing it up so I took a (somewhat) older PT yesterday, PT 42.

LG: -1
LR: -5 (combined)
RC:-9 (YIKES)

167 (-15)

For LG I misinterpreted a question (G4 Q19), and even when I looked at 7sage's videos for this section afterwards, even they said many people misinterpret that question >.<

For RC, this is kind of normal for me to be honest, it's my worst section but I'm hoping to get better once I finish up this Blueprint RC book.

Do you write things like BCK, V1, V2, E1, E2, A1, A2 in the margins of the passage? For me, this was a game changer.
Yeah, I've always done things similar to that but at times I miss important facts, but I never miss someone's opinion/point of view. When you find the main point do you write a very short version of it in the margin? Or do you just underline it and tag it?

SO, the way I changed my score from -6+ to -2 or -3 was switching from writing the purpose/info of each paragraph in the margin, and instead using minimal notations to solely note structure. So, typically, it'll be like " BCK... V1... E1... Prob for V1... Implication V1" or something like that, with "***" written next to the opinion of the author, if one is provided. This also freed up a lot of time to refer back to the text for questions that ask about specific details.

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by ponderingmeerkat » Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:06 am

proteinshake wrote:either everyone in this group is a really high scorer or only the really high scorers are posting their PTs. just seems kinda weird.
I'll chime in as a "not high" scorer to try to even out the self-reporting bias ITT. Practice test 58 (took it on Saturday afternoon and blind reviewed Sunday afternoon): -5/-6 LR, -0 LG, -4 RC for a scaled 167. Blind reviewed yesterday to a 179 -0/-1 LR, -0 LG, -1 RC.

Yea, not great. The newer LR questions are destroying my confidence. And I'm starting to really worry about getting that 170+ in June. Will probably be joining the Sept pain-train.

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by appind » Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:13 am

SweetTort wrote:Well, I've discovered my biggest LSAT weakness: Grouping games. Gonna do nothing but drill these suckers until I get them right.
any specific kind of things you miss in grouping games?

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by proteinshake » Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:15 am

ponderingmeerkat wrote:
proteinshake wrote:either everyone in this group is a really high scorer or only the really high scorers are posting their PTs. just seems kinda weird.
I'll chime in as a "not high" scorer to try to even out the self-reporting bias ITT. Practice test 58 (took it on Saturday afternoon and blind reviewed Sunday afternoon): -5/-6 LR, -0 LG, -4 RC for a scaled 167. Blind reviewed yesterday to a 179 -0/-1 LR, -0 LG, -1 RC.

Yea, not great. The newer LR questions are destroying my confidence. And I'm starting to really worry about getting that 170+ in June. Will probably be joining the Sept pain-train.
167 is high. I'm surprised there's no one in here scoring less than 165 (which is great!) is what I meant haha.

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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by appind » Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:15 am

nerdylsat wrote:PT C2: 166

LR1: -4
LR2 -1
LG: -6 (wtf)
RC: -3

Pretty tight curve and I don't know why but the LG really threw me off. It seems a hard LG section is a lot worse for me than a hard RC/LR section, because just one game wrong can mean 5+ answers wrong.

I'd be scoring in the 170s if not for LG :(
nice rc/lr score. lg is supposedly easier to improve
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Re: The Official June 2016 Study Group

Post by Mikey » Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:53 am

SweetTort wrote:
TheMikey wrote:
SweetTort wrote:
TheMikey wrote:Felt like mixing it up so I took a (somewhat) older PT yesterday, PT 42.

LG: -1
LR: -5 (combined)
RC:-9 (YIKES)

167 (-15)

For LG I misinterpreted a question (G4 Q19), and even when I looked at 7sage's videos for this section afterwards, even they said many people misinterpret that question >.<

For RC, this is kind of normal for me to be honest, it's my worst section but I'm hoping to get better once I finish up this Blueprint RC book.

Do you write things like BCK, V1, V2, E1, E2, A1, A2 in the margins of the passage? For me, this was a game changer.
Yeah, I've always done things similar to that but at times I miss important facts, but I never miss someone's opinion/point of view. When you find the main point do you write a very short version of it in the margin? Or do you just underline it and tag it?

SO, the way I changed my score from -6+ to -2 or -3 was switching from writing the purpose/info of each paragraph in the margin, and instead using minimal notations to solely note structure. So, typically, it'll be like " BCK... V1... E1... Prob for V1... Implication V1" or something like that, with "***" written next to the opinion of the author, if one is provided. This also freed up a lot of time to refer back to the text for questions that ask about specific details.
Hmm, I see. I find your score increase due to the transition from writing the purpose of each paragraph to simplified structural notations quite interesting. I'll keep this in mind! Typically I don't note down background info, which I should probably do as well.

I'm working on some RC today, so I'm going to try to incorporate your ideas of structure with Blueprint's structural method :D

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Post by Hennessy » Mon Apr 25, 2016 12:08 pm

Switched from using a pen and my phone timer to a pencil and my watch this weekend.
Formerly PTing around 170.
Saturday's PT: 163

Fuck me, right?

(It was also the dinosaur game in LG, first game to entirely stump me in months. Went -4 on that game.)

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Post by YupSports » Mon Apr 25, 2016 12:12 pm

HennessyVSOP wrote:Switched from using a pen and my phone timer to a pencil and my watch this weekend.
Formerly PTing around 170.
Saturday's PT: 163

Fuck me, right?

(It was also the dinosaur game in LG, first game to entirely stump me in months. Went -4 on that game.)
The color Mauve now make me shudder simply thinking about it.

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Post by Hennessy » Mon Apr 25, 2016 12:24 pm

YupSports wrote:
HennessyVSOP wrote:Switched from using a pen and my phone timer to a pencil and my watch this weekend.
Formerly PTing around 170.
Saturday's PT: 163

Fuck me, right?

(It was also the dinosaur game in LG, first game to entirely stump me in months. Went -4 on that game.)
The color Mauve now make me shudder simply thinking about it.
Honestly, I was picture two little ugly mauve felt dinosaurs sitting next to each other and I was getting so angry. I think it threw off my final two sections. I pray for no weird game types in June.

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