The Official September 2016 Study Group - WAKE ME UP WHEN SEPTEMBER ENDS Forum

[Hennessy]

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[Barack O'Drama]

So I got a question for anyone who is using/used Manhattan LSAT prep materials and or took the course.


1) Did you follow their prep schedule that they have online?

2) How did you structure going through the books and drilling? Did you read them one at a time, then drill by type? Did you do some LG/LR/RC everyday and then drill?

3) What other products did you utilize? (Powerscore, Cambridge, LSAT Trainer)


No real reason for asking, just kind of curious what others who are using primarily MLSAT are doing... Looking for new ideas to implement and new approach to take to maximize my prep

[amta]

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[Hennessy]

So I got a question for anyone who is using/used Manhattan LSAT prep materials and or took the course.


1) Did you follow their prep schedule that they have online?

2) How did you structure going through the books and drilling? Did you read them one at a time, then drill by type? Did you do some LG/LR/RC everyday and then drill?

3) What other products did you utilize? (Powerscore, Cambridge, LSAT Trainer)


No real reason for asking, just kind of curious what others who are using primarily MLSAT are doing... Looking for new ideas to implement and new approach to take to maximize my prep

I did not take the course, but I read all the books. They were extremely useful.

In month 1 leading up to the test, I was taking occasional practice tests and just consuming those books. I read all the way through LG book first (which goes fast) and then read through LR and RC simultaneously. It probably took me 2-3 weeks. I did all drills within the books as I read along.

Once I had finished them, I stepped up to taking 2 or 3 practice tests per week. I notated where my issues were for each PT, reread that section of the book and how to approach those questions, and used the QType packets to drill.

The LG and LR books are huge and extremely useful. The RC book didn't feel quite so useful - it was short, and I think I used very few of the techniques mentioned (annotations, passage mapping, etc.)

One thing that Manhattan really stressed which I felt came in handy was pre-phrasing. I started pre-phrasing as much as possible, and each book has numerous sections of each type for pre-phrasing practice.

[Barack O'Drama]

So I got a question for anyone who is using/used Manhattan LSAT prep materials and or took the course.


1) Did you follow their prep schedule that they have online?

2) How did you structure going through the books and drilling? Did you read them one at a time, then drill by type? Did you do some LG/LR/RC everyday and then drill?

3) What other products did you utilize? (Powerscore, Cambridge, LSAT Trainer)


No real reason for asking, just kind of curious what others who are using primarily MLSAT are doing... Looking for new ideas to implement and new approach to take to maximize my prep

I did not take the course, but I read all the books. They were extremely useful.

In month 1 leading up to the test, I was taking occasional practice tests and just consuming those books. I read all the way through LG book first (which goes fast) and then read through LR and RC simultaneously. It probably took me 2-3 weeks. I did all drills within the books as I read along.

Once I had finished them, I stepped up to taking 2 or 3 practice tests per week. I notated where my issues were for each PT, reread that section of the book and how to approach those questions, and used the QType packets to drill.

The LG and LR books are huge and extremely useful. The RC book didn't feel quite so useful - it was short, and I think I used very few of the techniques mentioned (annotations, passage mapping, etc.)

One thing that Manhattan really stressed which I felt came in handy was pre-phrasing. I started pre-phrasing as much as possible, and each book has numerous sections of each type for pre-phrasing practice.

Awesome! Thank you. That is more or less what I plan on doing. Just read through the the LG first, drill by type from Cambridge after each chapter. Then do the LR/RC together once I finish that. I really need a damn 170!!!

[20170322]

Just took my last PT for the week!

PT 66:
Conditions: Taken around 10:30 after a warmup LG section. 7-sage proctored, 5-section, quiet library.


RC: -3
LR1: -1
LG: -0
LR2: -0
Raw: 96
Scaled: 177

Can't complain about that! Though this does reinforce that I need to start focusing more on RC for the coming months.

[Alexandros]

Just took my last PT for the week!

PT 66:
Conditions: Taken around 10:30 after a warmup LG section. 7-sage proctored, 5-section, quiet library.


RC: -3
LR1: -1
LG: -0
LR2: -0
Raw: 96
Scaled: 177

Can't complain about that! Though this does reinforce that I need to start focusing more on RC for the coming months.

HOLY SMOKES. Congratulations!!!!

[Barack O'Drama]

Just took my last PT for the week!

PT 66:
Conditions: Taken around 10:30 after a warmup LG section. 7-sage proctored, 5-section, quiet library.


RC: -3
LR1: -1
LG: -0
LR2: -0
Raw: 96
Scaled: 177

Can't complain about that! Though this does reinforce that I need to start focusing more on RC for the coming months.

Damn Tort! Teach me your ways, lol. Seriously though, nice job man!

[Deardevil]

Just took my last PT for the week!

PT 66:
Conditions: Taken around 10:30 after a warmup LG section. 7-sage proctored, 5-section, quiet library.


RC: -3
LR1: -1
LG: -0
LR2: -0
Raw: 96
Scaled: 177

Can't complain about that! Though this does reinforce that I need to start focusing more on RC for the coming months.

Sweet! What water do you drink? More importantly, where can I find some?

[Mikey]

Just took my last PT for the week!

PT 66:
Conditions: Taken around 10:30 after a warmup LG section. 7-sage proctored, 5-section, quiet library.


RC: -3
LR1: -1
LG: -0
LR2: -0
Raw: 96
Scaled: 177

Can't complain about that! Though this does reinforce that I need to start focusing more on RC for the coming months.

Sweet! What water do you drink? More importantly, where can I find some?

Word on the forums is that it's not water he drinks, but that it's in fact apple juice.

[20170322]

Just took my last PT for the week!

PT 66:
Conditions: Taken around 10:30 after a warmup LG section. 7-sage proctored, 5-section, quiet library.


RC: -3
LR1: -1
LG: -0
LR2: -0
Raw: 96
Scaled: 177

Can't complain about that! Though this does reinforce that I need to start focusing more on RC for the coming months.

Sweet! What water do you drink? More importantly, where can I find some?

http://www.recklesschallenge.net/wp-con ... -Stuff.jpg

[Mikey]

Good shit Sweet, your PT scores never cease to impress!

[proteinshake]

prediction from Spivey on the upcoming admissions cycle! Spivey says he thinks scores in the 165+ range will be stable instead of going up like this past cycle, meaning less competition for the wonderful people in this thread! hopefully it's accurate link: http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/predic ... ons-cycle/

[20170322]

prediction from Spivey on the upcoming admissions cycle! Spivey says he thinks scores in the 165+ range wills be stable instead of going up like this past cycle, meaning less competition for the wonderful people in this thread! hopefully it's accurate link: http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/predic ... ons-cycle/

Thank God. Hopefully it also doesn't get less friendly for KJDs.

[proteinshake]

prediction from Spivey on the upcoming admissions cycle! Spivey says he thinks scores in the 165+ range wills be stable instead of going up like this past cycle, meaning less competition for the wonderful people in this thread! hopefully it's accurate link: http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/predic ... ons-cycle/

Thank God. Hopefully it also doesn't get less friendly for KJDs.

outside of Northwestern and Yale, I don't think it's a big deal as long as you have the numbers. Obviously work experience is better, but I dont think it'll affect you aside from those two schools tbh.

[20170322]

prediction from Spivey on the upcoming admissions cycle! Spivey says he thinks scores in the 165+ range wills be stable instead of going up like this past cycle, meaning less competition for the wonderful people in this thread! hopefully it's accurate link: http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/predic ... ons-cycle/

Thank God. Hopefully it also doesn't get less friendly for KJDs.

outside of Northwestern and Yale, I don't think it's a big deal as long as you have the numbers. Obviously work experience is better, but I dont think it'll affect you aside from those two schools tbh.

Eh, I think that's true for admissions, but scholarships are a crapshoot. Definitely trying to keep my mind open to sitting out, working, and reapplying.

[Mikey]

prediction from Spivey on the upcoming admissions cycle! Spivey says he thinks scores in the 165+ range wills be stable instead of going up like this past cycle, meaning less competition for the wonderful people in this thread! hopefully it's accurate link: http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/predic ... ons-cycle/

Hmm that's interesting about the 165+ LSAT thing. I find it really interesting because in the June waiters thread there were a lot of people who scored 165+ (particularly in the low 170's), so his predictions might not come to be true, but then again it is just a prediction. Either that, or the TLS June takers are just an unrepresentative sample of the rest of takers, hehe. Nonetheless, a cool blog and I'll have to check the rest of it out later!

[20170322]

prediction from Spivey on the upcoming admissions cycle! Spivey says he thinks scores in the 165+ range wills be stable instead of going up like this past cycle, meaning less competition for the wonderful people in this thread! hopefully it's accurate link: http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/predic ... ons-cycle/

Hmm that's interesting about the 165+ LSAT thing. I find it really interesting because in the June waiters thread there were a lot of people who scored 165+ (particularly in the low 170's), so his predictions might not come to be true, but then again it is just a prediction. Either that, or the TLS June takers are just an unrepresentative sample of the rest of takers, hehe. Nonetheless, a cool blog and I'll have to check the rest of it out later!

Considering the average LSAT score is a 150, I think TLS is unrepresentative in most ways.

[Barack O'Drama]

prediction from Spivey on the upcoming admissions cycle! Spivey says he thinks scores in the 165+ range wills be stable instead of going up like this past cycle, meaning less competition for the wonderful people in this thread! hopefully it's accurate link: http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/predic ... ons-cycle/

Hmm that's interesting about the 165+ LSAT thing. I find it really interesting because in the June waiters thread there were a lot of people who scored 165+ (particularly in the low 170's), so his predictions might not come to be true, but then again it is just a prediction. Either that, or the TLS June takers are just an unrepresentative sample of the rest of takers, hehe. Nonetheless, a cool blog and I'll have to check the rest of it out later!

Considering the average LSAT score is a 150, I think TLS is unrepresentative in most ways.

I almost never consider that fact, Tort. I've read the statistics on the average LSAT scorer a long time ago, and after being on this forum for a while, I kind of can't believe that is the average... I guess the thing is a lot of people don't prepare and go in cold. And/or don't know how important the LSAT is for applicants.

[proteinshake]

prediction from Spivey on the upcoming admissions cycle! Spivey says he thinks scores in the 165+ range wills be stable instead of going up like this past cycle, meaning less competition for the wonderful people in this thread! hopefully it's accurate link: http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/predic ... ons-cycle/

Thank God. Hopefully it also doesn't get less friendly for KJDs.

outside of Northwestern and Yale, I don't think it's a big deal as long as you have the numbers. Obviously work experience is better, but I dont think it'll affect you aside from those two schools tbh.

Eh, I think that's true for admissions, but scholarships are a crapshoot. Definitely trying to keep my mind open to sitting out, working, and reapplying.

oh the big name scholarships? yeah experience definitely matters.

[34iplaw]

prediction from Spivey on the upcoming admissions cycle! Spivey says he thinks scores in the 165+ range wills be stable instead of going up like this past cycle, meaning less competition for the wonderful people in this thread! hopefully it's accurate link: http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/predic ... ons-cycle/

Hmm that's interesting about the 165+ LSAT thing. I find it really interesting because in the June waiters thread there were a lot of people who scored 165+ (particularly in the low 170's), so his predictions might not come to be true, but then again it is just a prediction. Either that, or the TLS June takers are just an unrepresentative sample of the rest of takers, hehe. Nonetheless, a cool blog and I'll have to check the rest of it out later!

Considering the average LSAT score is a 150, I think TLS is unrepresentative in most ways.

I almost never consider that fact, Tort. I've read the statistics on the average LSAT scorer a long time ago, and after being on this forum for a while, I kind of can't believe that is the average... I guess the thing is a lot of people don't prepare and go in cold. And/or don't know how important the LSAT is for applicants.

Yeah - they definitely don't. I mean, I don't blame them. Honestly, I would probably be in a much worse place if I had applied straight out of UG, as there is little to no chance I would have been so compelled to get above a 172. Even my friends who went to really good schools understate how important their LSAT probably was.

Based on my RC homework so far, I don't think I'll take anything short of a -0 or -1 on RC to be remotely acceptable.

Started the next 100 LR MBT questions, 10/10 so far...I don't want to miss many on this set...5 tops... based on homework left... I'm going to divide as follows...

Today - [2 RC done, 10 LR done, slow day I know] 30 more LR questions & some LG
Sat - 3 RC passages; 30 LR questions; 1/2 Remaining LG
Sun - 3 RC passages; 20 LR questions; 1/2 Remaining LG
Mon - 3 RC passages; 20 LR questions; Any LGs I couldn't do in 7sage time, as I won't miss any questions.
Tues - Lightly get into grouping [finally]

I haven't counted the games, but, in all honesty, I could crank them all out within an hour, as they are ordering games. I'll redo the ones I did previously and check them against 7sage. The thing I'm unsure about is Testmasters really likes not rules, but, in the process of getting half their not rules, they are basically going through acceptable situations. I'm not sure that it doesn't make more sense just to start splitting boards... like when you are moving two blocks to see where they can't go, you're already doing the work to have split boards.

[Barack O'Drama]

prediction from Spivey on the upcoming admissions cycle! Spivey says he thinks scores in the 165+ range wills be stable instead of going up like this past cycle, meaning less competition for the wonderful people in this thread! hopefully it's accurate link: http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/predic ... ons-cycle/

Hmm that's interesting about the 165+ LSAT thing. I find it really interesting because in the June waiters thread there were a lot of people who scored 165+ (particularly in the low 170's), so his predictions might not come to be true, but then again it is just a prediction. Either that, or the TLS June takers are just an unrepresentative sample of the rest of takers, hehe. Nonetheless, a cool blog and I'll have to check the rest of it out later!

Considering the average LSAT score is a 150, I think TLS is unrepresentative in most ways.

I almost never consider that fact, Tort. I've read the statistics on the average LSAT scorer a long time ago, and after being on this forum for a while, I kind of can't believe that is the average... I guess the thing is a lot of people don't prepare and go in cold. And/or don't know how important the LSAT is for applicants.

Yeah - they definitely don't. I mean, I don't blame them. Honestly, I would probably be in a much worse place if I had applied straight out of UG, as there is little to no chance I would have been so compelled to get above a 172. Even my friends who went to really good schools understate how important their LSAT probably was.

Based on my RC homework so far, I don't think I'll take anything short of a -0 or -1 on RC to be remotely acceptable.

Started the next 100 LR MBT questions, 10/10 so far...I don't want to miss many on this set...5 tops... based on homework left... I'm going to divide as follows...

Today - [2 RC done, 10 LR done, slow day I know] 30 more LR questions & some LG
Sat - 3 RC passages; 30 LR questions; 1/2 Remaining LG
Sun - 3 RC passages; 20 LR questions; 1/2 Remaining LG
Mon - 3 RC passages; 20 LR questions; Any LGs I couldn't do in 7sage time, as I won't miss any questions.
Tues - Lightly get into grouping [finally]

I haven't counted the games, but, in all honesty, I could crank them all out within an hour, as they are ordering games. I'll redo the ones I did previously and check them against 7sage. The thing I'm unsure about is Testmasters really likes not rules, but, in the process of getting half their not rules, they are basically going through acceptable situations. I'm not sure that it doesn't make more sense just to start splitting boards... like when you are moving two blocks to see where they can't go, you're already doing the work to have split boards.

I like how you plan exactly what you are going to do ahead of time. I just wrote down my plans for prep/drilling for the next 3 weeks and it feels good! Helps relieve anxiety to know that everyday I have a plan, and if I follow it, I won't risk falling behind.

RE: With logic games I've learned you have to do what works for you. I think I more or less learned that from MLSAT/Trainer. I got so obsessed with making sure I do every problem the same way JY or the way outlined in my books, that I lost sight of what is best for me. So my advice would be just find a consistent way to diagram for every situation, make sure it works for you, and of course as long as you're getting the answers right in a time that feels good, you should be set!

I have a bunch of games I want to do later and then check up against 7 sage. I've had a bad migraine yesterday and today, so I am taking it easy. All the posts about burn out truly resonated with me, so I've decided I am going to take it easy and do more spread-out studying. So I'm looking to do three 2-hour sessions of studying a day. (Unless I'm practice testing, which I haven't gotten to yet.) The whole studying 9-5 thing with only a small lunch break wasn't working for me. I mean it works, but I don't feel as if I'm learning the most optimal way doing that.

I think from now on I'm going to do: 9am-11am. Take a break from 11pm-12pm. Then LSAT stuff from 12pm-2pm. Take a break and maybe more LSAT from 4pm-6pm, or later that night when I feel I've had some time to really think about what I've learned.

IDK? I am going to give it a try starting tomorrow and see how it works for me...

[Mikey]

Started the next 100 LR MBT questions, 10/10 so far...I don't want to miss many on this set...5 tops... based on homework left... I'm going to divide as follows....

MBT questions that use conditional logic are by far my worst LR questions, aside from parallel flaw/reasoning. MBT quesions that don't use conditional logic, I typically do quickly but I tend to spend a lot of time on conditional logic ones even with tons of drilling I did with them. BOOOO

[Mikey]

Tornado watch here in NYC, the fuck.

[20170322]

prediction from Spivey on the upcoming admissions cycle! Spivey says he thinks scores in the 165+ range wills be stable instead of going up like this past cycle, meaning less competition for the wonderful people in this thread! hopefully it's accurate link: http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/predic ... ons-cycle/

Thank God. Hopefully it also doesn't get less friendly for KJDs.

outside of Northwestern and Yale, I don't think it's a big deal as long as you have the numbers. Obviously work experience is better, but I dont think it'll affect you aside from those two schools tbh.

Eh, I think that's true for admissions, but scholarships are a crapshoot. Definitely trying to keep my mind open to sitting out, working, and reapplying.

oh the big name scholarships? yeah experience definitely matters.

Haha, yeah, that's why I'm trying to blow it up with the LSAT.