The Official June 2015 Study Group Forum

[RZ5646]

Everybody chill out and watch House of Cards. Hannibal's brother plays a faux Putin.

[jetsfan1]

without pencil or an answer sheet (can't get those until mid March

The free June 2007 test includes a bubble sheet you can make copies of, and I'm sure there are pencils where you live.

No printer access until mid March, and yeah I can buy a pencil but they are crappy to the point where the point will break like 5 times each section. Can get new ones when I get to the printer though.

Also, gotta love Shak coming in and laying down the law Thing is though, 179 (I think that's who asked the question, too lazy to go back and check) should be trying ALL of these things and figuring out which works best for him/her. I happen to agree with the slowing down bit, because 179 said their issue is having to go back to the passage too often and not knowing where to look. That seems to indicate he/she would improve from a better first read. Definitely no reading comp expert though, still trying to work through many of these issues myself.

[TheWalkingDebt]

New York, but can't wait to get out of here. Wanna move to Texas or Florida.

We might be mirror opposites. From Florida, can't wait to go to NY or DC. Also opposites re: Mitt Romney (I assume). Florida is an awful place.

[20170322]

Shit, just took PT44. Results

LG1: -2
RC: -4
LG: 2
LG2: -4
Overall: 88
Scaled: 168


I tried skipping the break today and just doing all the sections straight through. I think it really messed up my endurance, because I normally go -0 or -2 in LR, and by the finally section I was having trouble just comprehending questions.

[RZ5646]

168 is good for this stage though. We're still 3 months out.

ETA: Are you using experimental sections? If you're concerned about endurance that's important.

[20170322]

168 is good for this stage though. We're still 3 months out.

ETA: Are you using experimental sections? If you're concerned about endurance that's important.

But I'm just concerned that I'm inconsistent. 175-165-168. Like, idk where I'm actually at.

What I DO know is I need to drill the shit out of arts/science RC.

ETA: No, not yet. I'll probably start throwing them in as we get closer. I was really hungry during the test, which I think contributed.

[RZ5646]

I'm basically the same: 164, 166, 174, 176. Some good scores and some bad scores, and not enough data points to say where I'm actually at. I'm taking PT A tonight and I could score anywhere from 160 to 180 and I wouldn't be surprised.

[20170322]

I'm basically the same: 164, 166, 174, 176. Some good scores and some bad scores, and not enough data points to say where I'm actually at. I'm taking PT A tonight and I could score anywhere from 160 to 180 and I wouldn't be surprised.

So I guess we just need to keep PTing and drilling?

[RZ5646]

So I guess we just need to keep PTing and drilling?

That's what I'm thinking. To guarantee a top score you need both reading/reasoning skills and the ability to consistently apply them on the dead tree coloring game that is the LSAT. We have the former but need to develop the latter through many hours of practice.

Off topic: how the hell does the Feb waiters thread have 3 times as many pages as this thread when it was started less than a month ago??

[The Abyss]

I drilled NA questions earlier and I'm currently drilling Flaw questions. Went 19/20 on the NA questions of varying difficulty. I believe these are the two most common question types in LR, so I need to have them down.

Taking Superprep B tomorrow.

[peppermint]

Off topic: how the hell does the Feb waiters thread have 3 times as many pages as this thread when it was started less than a month ago??

Poasting > studying

This thread will pick up pretty quick once the scores are out

I drilled NA questions earlier and I'm currently drilling Flaw questions. Went 19/20 on the NA questions of varying difficulty. I believe these are the two most common question types in LR, so I need to have them down.

Taking Superprep B tomorrow.

Also taking Superprep B tomorrow, good luck to us both!

[RZ5646]

Lol as if we're actually studying here... Also doing B tomorrow. Pray for me.

[NL2424]

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[peppermint]

Lol as if we're actually studying here... Also doing B tomorrow. Pray for me.

Good luck RZ!

[RZ5646]

It just took me like 20 minutes to do an easy logic game I've already done multiple times. This doesn't look good.

[The Abyss]

Results of Flaw Drilling

Difficulty 1: 14/14
Difficulty 2: 9/9
Difficulty 3: 6/7
Difficulty 4: 4/10
Total: 33/40 ~82%

I know the 4s are the most difficult, but that's still way too many to miss. Time to fix mistakes.

[McJimJam]

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[179orBust]

RZ and Shak, just saw your posts regarding RC. Really appreciate the advice, I'll experiment with both methods.

[179orBust]

Results of Flaw Drilling

Difficulty 1: 14/14
Difficulty 2: 9/9
Difficulty 3: 6/7
Difficulty 4: 4/10
Total: 33/40 ~82%

I know the 4s are the most difficult, but that's still way too many to miss. Time to fix mistakes.

Timed or untimed?

[179orBust]

Shit, just took PT44. Results

LG1: -2
RC: -4
LG: 2
LG2: -4
Overall: 88
Scaled: 168


I tried skipping the break today and just doing all the sections straight through. I think it really messed up my endurance, because I normally go -0 or -2 in LR, and by the finally section I was having trouble just comprehending questions.

I took PT44 for my diagnostic and found the RC easier than average but LR pretty hard. Considering you normally go -2 in LR and you went -6 on this one, do you think it's possible you scored lower because the questions were more difficult and not because you were tired?

Just curious because I never read anything PT 44.Wanna know how it compares to other practice tests. Curve was rough also.

[RZ5646]

On my PT A break right now... I was doing well until LG kicked my ass. Do you guys BR immediately afterwards or wait awhile? I might BR and score this as my warmup for PT B tomorrow.

Looks like my spring break is going to be game drills.

ETA:

Couldn't resist scoring it. I got 171. Sigh.

LR1: -2
RC: -1
LG: -5
LR2: -0

The RC error was a stupid mistake, but as usual the LRs I missed seem like bullshit. I'll review my mistakes and circled questions in detail tomorrow and try to figure out what went wrong.

Though honestly I guess that isn't too bad seeing as I haven't studied at all this month except reading the Manhattan LR book (and skipping the drills). 7sage also rates this LG as a level 5, so I'll accept a poor score there.

I almost always do worse on the first LR, so I think I'll start warming up with some LR questions to get in the right frame of mind.

[The Abyss]

Results of Flaw Drilling

Difficulty 1: 14/14
Difficulty 2: 9/9
Difficulty 3: 6/7
Difficulty 4: 4/10
Total: 33/40 ~82%

I know the 4s are the most difficult, but that's still way too many to miss. Time to fix mistakes.

Timed or untimed?

Untimed. Which makes it that much worse. On all of the questions I missed, TCR was my "2nd choice" and I had eliminated the other 3 ACs. I guess I just need to put my eyes on more questions and learn from my mistakes. To the Manhattan forums I go.

[JackelJ]

Everyone learns differently. RZ could be retaking previous PTs more often, which is where the extra each week comes from. No need to put people on blast just because they don't study exactly like you.

Thanks. My advice was hardly "ridiculous." The dude said his accuracy was high but he could only finish 3 passages in the time limit... going faster would help, or maybe that's just me? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Most people can read much faster than they think they can without hurting their comprehension.

I'm going to agree with Shak on this, sorry RZ. You'll get better at RC by becoming super efficient at pulling out all relevant information from the passage and not wasting time on all the extra fluff they put in. Reading faster is useless if you don't know what you are looking for and miss an important part and have to re-read the passage. Sure you can have perfect accuracy by reading slowly and understanding the passage in its entirety before going to the questions - but thats not the goal of RC. Also, there is no disadvantage of BRing the entire exam except spending some extra time. And the review being the most important part, I think it is time well spent.

But, to each their own. Study how you think is best. You wanted the pot stirred, here you go.

[RZ5646]

There are many approaches to RC. Admittedly I'm still on the older/easier RC sections, but I've been consistently getting -1 with my speed-read, annotate, and reference strategy. Someone else might absorb all the necessary information in one slow read and then never look back at the passage. Whatever works for the individual (which is why I take issue with Shak's view that I'm somehow categorically and even offensively wrong).

[JackelJ]

There are many approaches to RC. Admittedly I'm still on the older/easier RC sections, but I've been consistently getting -1 with my speed-read, annotate, and reference strategy. Someone else might absorb all the necessary information in one slow read and then never look back at the passage. Whatever works for the individual (which is why I take issue with Shak's view that I'm somehow categorically and even offensively wrong).

Yes, there are many approaches to RC. If speed reading works for you and you can pull out all the important information and answer all the questions then thats great stick with your strategy. I was just trying to emphasize the "pulling out the important information" part instead of "read faster" as that is much more important than simply reading faster. The speed generally comes after you drill a lot and start to anticipate whats relevant in the passage and what isn't. Whether you do that in one slower pass or a few fast passes is up to the individual.