The Official June 2016 Study Group Forum

[appind]

Back then there were no avatars and we had to cycle on a stationary bike just to generate enough electricity to post a reply. Ken was really involved back then, is he still around?

afaik at least he is not active. the site has sorta changed a bit over the years.

did you take the test originally? applied to schools?

[appind]

Yo what the actual fuck happened to LR in the 70s?

I went from getting an average of -2.5 in the 50s and early 60s to -5 and -7 on PTs 70 and 71 without even suspecting that I was doing poorly, even on BR. Holy shit am I glad I'm taking these tests now and not later, because I honestly don't know how to figure out this difference and I'm not sure what to do to remedy it. Has anyone gone through something similar? I feel like the LSAC has completely pulled the rug out from under me and I didn't even realize.

Aaaanyway, PT 71:

173
LR: -7, LG -2, RC -2

something similar happened to me. i was doing pretty well in old tests at -1/-2 and began dropping -6/-7 in the 70s lr. i guess it's gotten a bit more subtle.

[20170322]

Hey, all. So, I'm planning on taking the LSAT in June, and I'm testing between 170 and 173. Is there any harm to taking in June, then retaking in September if I feel I can get a higher score? Or should I just withdraw for June and take in September, if I'm already planning to retake?

[lawpro82]

Back then there were no avatars and we had to cycle on a stationary bike just to generate enough electricity to post a reply. Ken was really involved back then, is he still around?

afaik at least he is not active. the site has sorta changed a bit over the years.

did you take the test originally? applied to schools?

Ahh, I see. The site has changed a bit. There used to not even be ads or anything before.

Yeah, I've been practicing for 9 years now. Took the test last in '06 as a 3L because I wanted to LSAT tutor while I studied and waited for my bar results and needed something in the 99th percentile to keep my options open. Fell just short of my goal of LSAT perfection...one RC passage killed my 180 so after a hiatus of nearly a decade, I'm back with a vengeance lol

[lawpro82]

Hey, all. So, I'm planning on taking the LSAT in June, and I'm testing between 170 and 173. Is there any harm to taking in June, then retaking in September if I feel I can get a higher score? Or should I just withdraw for June and take in September, if I'm already planning to retake?

Not to sounds confrontational, but why are you planning a retake? You should plan on crushing the LSAT, and if you don't feel ready by May 17th, opt to push it back. The majority of the time, people's PTs will be higher than the actual test day score (nerves, 5 sections vs 4, the location, etc.), so if you're not scoring where you want, there's no reason to think it's going to be any different (although I have met a few exceptions...ppl who never scored a 180 on a PT but managed to swing it on test day).

A retake will hurt if you apply to a school that averages your scores versus taking your higher. Otherwise, if you have your heart set on a school with a policy that takes the higher, you're money

[chicharon]

Hey, all. So, I'm planning on taking the LSAT in June, and I'm testing between 170 and 173. Is there any harm to taking in June, then retaking in September if I feel I can get a higher score? Or should I just withdraw for June and take in September, if I'm already planning to retake?

Not to sounds confrontational, but why are you planning a retake? You should plan on crushing the LSAT, and if you don't feel ready by May 17th, opt to push it back. The majority of the time, people's PTs will be higher than the actual test day score (nerves, 5 sections vs 4, the location, etc.), so if you're not scoring where you want, there's no reason to think it's going to be any different (although I have met a few exceptions...ppl who never scored a 180 on a PT but managed to swing it on test day).

A retake will hurt if you apply to a school that averages your scores versus taking your higher. Otherwise, if you have your heart set on a school with a policy that takes the higher, you're money

No one averages scores anymore though. Except Y.

[20170322]

Hey, all. So, I'm planning on taking the LSAT in June, and I'm testing between 170 and 173. Is there any harm to taking in June, then retaking in September if I feel I can get a higher score? Or should I just withdraw for June and take in September, if I'm already planning to retake?

Not to sounds confrontational, but why are you planning a retake? You should plan on crushing the LSAT, and if you don't feel ready by May 17th, opt to push it back. The majority of the time, people's PTs will be higher than the actual test day score (nerves, 5 sections vs 4, the location, etc.), so if you're not scoring where you want, there's no reason to think it's going to be any different (although I have met a few exceptions...ppl who never scored a 180 on a PT but managed to swing it on test day).

A retake will hurt if you apply to a school that averages your scores versus taking your higher. Otherwise, if you have your heart set on a school with a policy that takes the higher, you're money

No one averages scores anymore though. Except Y.

My only thought is that, 170+ IS above my target (tho obviously more points are better), and if I take in September it'd be nice to know that I have a 170+ under my belt.

[Mikey]

Hey, all. So, I'm planning on taking the LSAT in June, and I'm testing between 170 and 173. Is there any harm to taking in June, then retaking in September if I feel I can get a higher score? Or should I just withdraw for June and take in September, if I'm already planning to retake?

Not to sounds confrontational, but why are you planning a retake? You should plan on crushing the LSAT, and if you don't feel ready by May 17th, opt to push it back. The majority of the time, people's PTs will be higher than the actual test day score (nerves, 5 sections vs 4, the location, etc.), so if you're not scoring where you want, there's no reason to think it's going to be any different (although I have met a few exceptions...ppl who never scored a 180 on a PT but managed to swing it on test day).

A retake will hurt if you apply to a school that averages your scores versus taking your higher. Otherwise, if you have your heart set on a school with a policy that takes the higher, you're money

No one averages scores anymore though. Except Y.

My only thought is that, 170+ IS above my target (tho obviously more points are better), and if I take in September it'd be nice to know that I have a 170+ under my belt.

People are always telling others on here to retake when they don't even want to, so if you're willing to and you feel that you can get a better score then why not?

[YupSports]

Just got a 167 on PT 66.

RC - 5
LR -2
LG -3
LR -4

Dumb errors on LG.

Gonna be putting in some extra RC work this weekend.

[Sean_33]

Just got a 167 on PT 66.

RC - 5
LR -2
LG -3
LR -4

Dumb errors on LG.

Gonna be putting in some extra RC work this weekend.

Solid work.

[CPAlawHopefu]

Quick question:

How would you sufficiently fill the logical gap in a causation statement?

Example:
Assume that an argument shows causation relationship between variables -

Premise: A --> B (A promotes B)
Conclusion: C --> -B (C prevents B)

The conclusion follows logically if what is assumed?


I know that one way to strengthen a causation statement is by showing that the absence of cause --> absence of effect. Since sufficient assumption questions are, in a sense, super strengthener questions, would showing that -C --> -A (since -A --> -B would strengthen the causal relationsihp) sufficiently fill the gap in the example above? So the correct answer will say something along the line of "A is impossible unless C exists"? Or would this be committing a mistaken negation fallacy?

[forum_user]

Hey, all. So, I'm planning on taking the LSAT in June, and I'm testing between 170 and 173. Is there any harm to taking in June, then retaking in September if I feel I can get a higher score? Or should I just withdraw for June and take in September, if I'm already planning to retake?

Not to sounds confrontational, but why are you planning a retake? You should plan on crushing the LSAT, and if you don't feel ready by May 17th, opt to push it back. The majority of the time, people's PTs will be higher than the actual test day score (nerves, 5 sections vs 4, the location, etc.), so if you're not scoring where you want, there's no reason to think it's going to be any different (although I have met a few exceptions...ppl who never scored a 180 on a PT but managed to swing it on test day).

A retake will hurt if you apply to a school that averages your scores versus taking your higher. Otherwise, if you have your heart set on a school with a policy that takes the higher, you're money

No one averages scores anymore though. Except Y.

My only thought is that, 170+ IS above my target (tho obviously more points are better), and if I take in September it'd be nice to know that I have a 170+ under my belt.

People are always telling others on here to retake when they don't even want to, so if you're willing to and you feel that you can get a better score then why not?

Worst case scenario: you take in June, completely screw it up, then prep for a retake in September knowing a) what went wrong and b) what to expect going into the test again, and likely don't score any worse, in which case you don't lose anything.
Best case scenario: you get a great score in June, no retake necessary
Average case scenario: you score a point or two below your PT range/capability in June, spend a week getting over the moderate disappointment, then continue your prep for September knowing a) what went wrong and b) what to expect going into the test again, at which point even a 1-2 point improvement will help you.

Hard to see any downside here really. At the very least taking in June will help familiarize yourself with actually taking the test, eliminating some level of nerves for your September take.

[lawpro82]

I was unaware that schools no longer averaged. Gosh, a lot has changed. Averaging used to be the rule, and not averaging was the exception.

[chicharon]

I was unaware that schools no longer averaged. Gosh, a lot has changed. Averaging used to be the rule, and not averaging was the exception.

Yes now we can retake the LSAT an unlimited number of times

[ayylmao]

I was unaware that schools no longer averaged. Gosh, a lot has changed. Averaging used to be the rule, and not averaging was the exception.

Yes now we can retake the LSAT an unlimited number of times

http://www.taxjusticeblog.org/ackbar.jpg

Yeah well it's not in their interest anymore because the ABA only mandates that they report the highest score.

And it's still only 3 times in two years (un)fortunately.

[dreamerchic19]

I feel pretty sharp, just need to take a quick practice test and work on Logic Games and Logical Reasoning premise questions

[R. Jeeves]

Back then there were no avatars and we had to cycle on a stationary bike just to generate enough electricity to post a reply. Ken was really involved back then, is he still around?

afaik at least he is not active. the site has sorta changed a bit over the years.

did you take the test originally? applied to schools?

Ahh, I see. The site has changed a bit. There used to not even be ads or anything before.

Yeah, I've been practicing for 9 years now. Took the test last in '06 as a 3L because I wanted to LSAT tutor while I studied and waited for my bar results and needed something in the 99th percentile to keep my options open. Fell just short of my goal of LSAT perfection...one RC passage killed my 180 so after a hiatus of nearly a decade, I'm back with a vengeance lol

wait...you're a practicing attorney?

[appind]

Back then there were no avatars and we had to cycle on a stationary bike just to generate enough electricity to post a reply. Ken was really involved back then, is he still around?

afaik at least he is not active. the site has sorta changed a bit over the years.

did you take the test originally? applied to schools?

Ahh, I see. The site has changed a bit. There used to not even be ads or anything before.

Yeah, I've been practicing for 9 years now. Took the test last in '06 as a 3L because I wanted to LSAT tutor while I studied and waited for my bar results and needed something in the 99th percentile to keep my options open. Fell just short of my goal of LSAT perfection...one RC passage killed my 180 so after a hiatus of nearly a decade, I'm back with a vengeance lol

so, you are an attorney? it'd be interesting knowing how difficult or easy those in practice perceive lsat to be.

how did you do the last time in different sections? even lsat has changed over the years.

[lawpro82]

Back then there were no avatars and we had to cycle on a stationary bike just to generate enough electricity to post a reply. Ken was really involved back then, is he still around?

afaik at least he is not active. the site has sorta changed a bit over the years.

did you take the test originally? applied to schools?

Ahh, I see. The site has changed a bit. There used to not even be ads or anything before.

Yeah, I've been practicing for 9 years now. Took the test last in '06 as a 3L because I wanted to LSAT tutor while I studied and waited for my bar results and needed something in the 99th percentile to keep my options open. Fell just short of my goal of LSAT perfection...one RC passage killed my 180 so after a hiatus of nearly a decade, I'm back with a vengeance lol

so, you are an attorney? it'd be interesting knowing how difficult or easy those in practice perceive lsat to be.

how did you do the last time in different sections? even lsat has changed over the years.

I think being an attorney helps the most with the LR section. I rarely miss any in my practice tests. 9 years of strengthening/weakening, pointing out assumptions, identifying the flaw, making inferences etc. certainly has its perks. My PT's are usually -0 on LR and games, and then anywhere between -0 and -4/5 on RC for somewhere between a 176 and 180 depending on the curve.

The last official test I took I got -0 in games, -2 in LR and -4 in RC for a 175. All my RC misses were on an extremely boring RC passage, last passage of RC, last section of the test, and I ran out of time. Just couldn't get my head around the passage, kept re-reading the same paragraph over and over without comprehension.

I'm definitely smarter (in an LSAT sense) than in 2006, so we'll see

[Mikey]

Back then there were no avatars and we had to cycle on a stationary bike just to generate enough electricity to post a reply. Ken was really involved back then, is he still around?

afaik at least he is not active. the site has sorta changed a bit over the years.

did you take the test originally? applied to schools?

Ahh, I see. The site has changed a bit. There used to not even be ads or anything before.

Yeah, I've been practicing for 9 years now. Took the test last in '06 as a 3L because I wanted to LSAT tutor while I studied and waited for my bar results and needed something in the 99th percentile to keep my options open. Fell just short of my goal of LSAT perfection...one RC passage killed my 180 so after a hiatus of nearly a decade, I'm back with a vengeance lol

so, you are an attorney? it'd be interesting knowing how difficult or easy those in practice perceive lsat to be.

how did you do the last time in different sections? even lsat has changed over the years.

I think being an attorney helps the most with the LR section. I rarely miss any in my practice tests. 9 years of strengthening/weakening, pointing out assumptions, identifying the flaw, making inferences etc. certainly has its perks. My PT's are usually -0 on LR and games, and then anywhere between -0 and -4/5 on RC for somewhere between a 176 and 180 depending on the curve.

The last official test I took I got -0 in games, -2 in LR and -4 in RC for a 175. All my RC misses were on an extremely boring RC passage, last passage of RC, last section of the test, and I ran out of time. Just couldn't get my head around the passage, kept re-reading the same paragraph over and over without comprehension.

I'm definitely smarter (in an LSAT sense) than in 2006, so we'll see

That's actually very interesting, thanks for sharing!

[abcdefg1234567]

Okay. It's no longer coincidence.

For the third time I've taken a PT morning after a night out. Ended up with a 168 on PT 61 (raw score of 87). My (sober) average has been 81, and what is most interesting is that my best sections were LR (-3, -2) when they are usually my worst....


That's it. I just have to drink my ass off Sunday night before the LSAT.

[Mikey]

Okay. It's no longer coincidence.

For the third time I've taken a PT morning after a night out. Ended up with a 168 on PT 61 (raw score of 87). My (sober) average has been 81, and what is most interesting is that my best sections were LR (-3, -2) when they are usually my worst....


That's it. I just have to drink my ass off Sunday night before the LSAT.

Hahaha xD. Aye, you gotta do what you gotta do right? Haha

[abcdefg1234567]

Removed

[beenoparte125]

Okay. It's no longer coincidence.

For the third time I've taken a PT morning after a night out. Ended up with a 168 on PT 61 (raw score of 87). My (sober) average has been 81, and what is most interesting is that my best sections were LR (-3, -2) when they are usually my worst....


That's it. I just have to drink my ass off Sunday night before the LSAT.

I'll bite.

There are definitely neuro-chemical connections that may be influencing your performance. Don't make any radical changes to how you approach the test on test day, is all that can be said.

[20170322]

Took PT 70 today.

LR1: -3
RC: -2
LG: -5
LR2: -2
Raw: -12

Scaled: 170


UGH. OK, I officially need a major overhaul in LG. Any tips?